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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:15 AM
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Obama being Accused of CHEATING ??
Obama has cheated his way through the caucuses? Perhaps.

I wanted to post here a 'bulletin' from a 'friend' at my 'myspace':


"I'm compiling a series of news reports that back this up.
Isn't it strange that in most of the caucuses, where Hillary Clinton was leading in the polls up until election day by healthy margins, she's beaten by Barack Obama by 5-10 points? Interesting, isn't it?
The media, whom have fallen in love with the half-term Senator from Illinois, chalk this up to a superior ground game. However, I find it interesting that there are several discrepancies that indicate that Obama has cheated his way through the caucus system.
Caucuses tend toward Obama, but primaries tend toward Hillary, Has anyone wondered why this is? How could one "impartial" system favor one candidate over the other, and vice-versa?
I believe I have the answer to that question.

It started in Scranton, with a friend of a friend of mine, Roger. Roger worked the Scranton office for the Obama campaign. During the parade on Saint Patrick's Day Weekend, he wanted a clean, friendly approach to the people of Northeast Pennsylvania. Instead, some folks, whom only identified themselves as "working for the Obama campaign" swooped in, usurped him, and took over, instructing supporters to "get in the face" of Clinton supporters, to "intimidate, insult, and keep them from the polls at all costs.
The actions of Obama supporters in Scranton were reported on by the local Tom Corbett radio show.
Roger found this interesting, and started asking questions from the higher ups from the Obama campaign. His claims were dismissed, and those that came in, despite carrying official recognition, were denied ever having been there in the first place.
I spoke to someone this weekend -- let's just say, he's extremely knowledgeable about this presidential race -- that found it funny that, in the state of Wisconsin for example, Hillary gets more votes than all of the Republicans on the opposing ticket combined, but is still beat by Barack Obama.
He found it funny that, when the numbers are crunched, Obama gets more caucus votes than there are registered Democrats in the state.
He found it funny that it was reported that similar or identical names were provided on registration rolls in eight Obama-won states, over, and over, and over again, and always in separate precincts.
He found it interesting that Obama got his usual "surge" of roughly 800 voters in each caucus he has won.
Reports of money missing from the Obama campaign, the same amount before each primary, are attributed to "bus trips". That, I agree with.
However, there is an answer, and as I said, I'm 50% done with compiling the necessary information needed to go to the press with it:

Barack Obama has been shipping people in to each primary: Not to campaign, not to surrogate, not to organize campaign offices, not to phone bank, and not to canvass.
But to vote.

The same people have been voting in each caucus in each state. Busses. 20 of them. With roughly, 40 people each. What's 40 x 20= 800.


The same thing was tried in Scranton, with voters from (most likely Philadelphia) other areas trying to register to vote in Northeast Pennsylvania. They're voting more than once, and quite literally, cheating Democrats out of their choice for the primary contest.
Don't get me wrong here, I know how this probably sounds: I'm always the one to call conspiracy theorists for what they are: nut jobs. I'm the practical one. I never, in my wildest dreams, thought that this could occur today.

Pennsylvania has very strict voting registration laws, and for this very reason, which is why Obama has generally ignored the state, so he can chalk this up to "oh, the Hillary victory was expected." But in states with very lax voting laws -- the very states he's won so far -- he's succeeded in wide margins where Clinton led only hours before.
Folks, the math just doesn't add up.

I'll finish my report, and I'll submit it to local and state press. The empirical evidence is there, and I'm positive there are those that will come to me and say how crazy all of this is. I only ask them to examine the election results I've seen so far, voter registration amounts, and then to add the numbers themselves.
Math is absolute. When you crunch numbers, you get what you get. Obama's numbers simply don't add up."
_____________________________
http://hillaryrodhamclinton2008.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-has-cheated-his-way-through.html
Randy...Rcalypso


I look forward to completion of this report! This very important!



<<snip>>

FIRST HAND ACCOUNT:::
At 4/03/2008, hrlight said...
I can verify first hand, as I was there in Texas, of rampant voter fraud by the Obama campaign. There were so many illegal acts committed it is hard to list them all, but I will try. I have sent my report into Hillary's legal team, as well as Howard Dean, who does not seem to be interested. I learned there is absolutely nothing Democratic about a caucus.

Anyway, I was a volunteer in Houston, and even during the day we were running from precinct to precinct trying to put a stop to the cheating. Groups of Obama supporters were traveling to precincts trying to get voters to sign up on caucus sheets even before the caucus, so they could be slipped into the pile at the caucus. We dispatched volunteer attorneys and others to try and stop this wherever it was reported




At 4/05/2008, Anonymous said...
It would be wonderful if all this gets to the press and soon. In Indiana Obama supporters have started the Indiana Truth Squad to make sure no one debunks Obama.


At 4/01/2008, Anonymous said...
I heard this kind of thing from before Iowa. Somebody on a Hillary blog said she had a friend in Iowa who said Obama was busing in 800-1,000 people from Chicago to caucus in Iowa.

Also, I've long heard these stories about intimidation by Obama supporters to turn Hillary supporters away. When Bill Clinton reported this in Nevada, nobody believed him.


At 3/29/2008, Switchgrass said...
It is most certain that voter fraud is happening at Caucuses. Caucuses are not government-run elections. They are run by party hacks who know how to use the 'rules' to their advantage. Basically, anyone who comes to a caucus and looks of voting age can vote. Voter registration rolls are nonexistent, counting of votes is done by participants and stuffing of ballots is quite possible.

<<snip>>
Last night I took a walk around my neighborhood, around 8pm. Everywhere I saw lights on -- in stores, shops, restaurants, bars. Lights on at night means people are working in those stores, shops, restaurants and bars. People are driving taxi cabs, buses, subways. People clean your office after you get off from work. People work in the hospitals. You see them when you go visit a friend in the hospital when you get off from work. People work in the theatres. They take your ticket stub and sell you popcorn after you get off from work. None of these people--bartenders, bus drivers, nurses, cashiers, cleaning staff--none of them can vote in a caucus between 7-9 pm because they are working.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:18 AM
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1. YAWN.............
good coffee this morning honey....um did somebody say something?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:21 AM
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2. I LOVE the smell of snark in the morning. Ever think or writing for
the DAILY SHOW? They could use droll humor like yours. You really have a talent for it. Or Mad TV, or SNL.

Heck, Jay Leno would probably use some of this in his monologue.

Gawd, that is funny. Thanks! I needed a guffaw
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:22 AM
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3. OH NOES, THIS ONE IS THE BIG ONE!!!!!!!1!!!
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #3
72. SHHHH - DON'T SAY BIG ONE!!!!
IT'S SUPER SECRET!!!!


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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:28 AM
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4. Why should I believe someone who doesn't know how to use "who" and "whom?"
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:45 AM
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11. you trust Obama with all his umms and aaahs. nt
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:01 AM
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44. Good one.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #11
62. yes I do. they are pauses intelligent people use to think. and, they
don't require bullets.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Every-time I hear Obama speak I am reminded of my old professors.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #11
64. yes
brilliant people often have a very hard time expressing themselves because their brains work faster than their mouths. I knew a math genius who stuttered because he was so smart.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:49 AM
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89. True, but that only applies to spoken speech or quickly written notes...........
a person with above average intellect would also have superior writing skills and command of the English language when writing something that it to be presented to the public. Hand written notes by Hemmingway resemble that of a 5 year old, but his books and news articles are impeccable.
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:31 AM
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5. The HRC campaign has already claimed cheating...
There are places ways and gorups that check these accusation and that does not happen to be the PRESS. That to me sounds more like you want a smear campaign. Clinton's campaign has already asked that things be checked where they thought there was discrepancies.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:31 AM
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6. The whole article is based in the first place on a falsehood: The article says....
"Isn't it strange that in most of the caucuses, where Hillary Clinton was leading in the polls up until election day by healthy margins, she's beaten by Barack Obama by 5-10 points? Interesting, isn't it?"

What caucus in what state were the Clintons leading in the polls up until election day by healthy margins, but turned out to be the opposite?

Nevada? No, Obama was leading in the polls, but HRC won.
Iowa? No, Obama was leading in the polls, and he won the IA caucuses.
Texas? No, Clinton was leading in the polls for the primary, but polls indicated that Obama would be the likely winner in the caucus portion of the state. And he did win that part, while HRC won the primary....just like the polls predicted.

There might be some caucus somewhere that Obama won but that the Clintons were winning "by healthy margins" before the primary day, but I am not aware of any such caucus. But, as you can see from above, at least in Nevada, where Obama was leading in the polls, the CLINTONS won.

This leads me to believe that some funny business occurred in Nevada, in order for the Clintons to win there.

This is ridiculous, and one reason why the Clintons' reputation is now destroyed. They are taking rules straight out of Rove's rule book. This particular rule is: Accuse your opponent of doing exactly what negative thing YOU have done. It takes the possibility of your being called on your negative action as much less likely.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. I do believe he was winning the polls in Maine as well
and Maine went Obama.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:53 AM
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16. I remember when Clinton was accused of cheating and they even asked
for a recount. O supporters all jumped in and claimed Clinton was a cheating, lying, crying racist. One of the reasons you all hate her. You are so blind to your own bias you can't think straight. You believe EVERY lying rotten, negative rumor about Hillary...yet you REFUSE to recognize any thing negative about Obama. That means O supporters have warped beliefs regarding the facts. They need to open their minds and see the truth. The truth is...Hillary is nowhere nearly as horrible as you think she is and Obama has done some suspicious things himself. O supporters just cry foul louder and don't give H any benefit of the doubt. All things about Hillary are wrong...all things about O are good. Tell me that isn't biased!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #16
24. Cheating: IOKIYO
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #24
35. Question - will you support Obama when he gets the nomination?
I am really curious. It is now a matter of when, not if.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #35
42. What time is it?
I guess you're still waiting for an answer from that one, forget it,
that particular tool is marching slowing to the pizza parlor.

Still waiting for an answer OzarkDem <tapping fingers on the table slooowly>
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #24
52. Hi OzarkDem .. love your posts. Question?
Was Holding Campaign rallies in FL Cheating? Do you know when the candidates signed or pledged agreement NOT to campaign in FL?? Real Question.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #52
60. there was no rally in FL, except in your dreams
indimuse + ozarkdem (aka DUs baghdad bob)= a match made in larouche country.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #16
78. Get it right, some of us hate her because she's a proven liar.
Sheesh!

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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 01:02 AM
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82. You remember wrong. I watched everything unfold on TV. No one...not one person...
called Clinton a lying, cheating racist.

I did not hate Clinton at all. I weighed my decision to support Obama or Clinton carefully, and for a long time. I decided on Obama. I wrote a post about why I decided that way. I did not at all hate Clinton.

But now....now that she has actually SIDED WITH MCCAIN against her own party, now that she has called, Rovian-style, Obama elitist and divisive (the two negatives that SHE, in fact, holds), now that she has dragged this "race" on and on and on and been negative much of the time....now I have gotten to the point where, though I won't say I hate her, I very much dislike her. But that's because of the kind of race she has run recently.

See the problem Clinton has? I now feel like half of the country feels: a strong dislike for the Clintons. I will actually go to the polls in the general election to vote against her, if necessary, as will half the country.

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:35 AM
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7. You Hillary people are so desperate its pathetic.
"that found it funny that, in the state of Wisconsin for example, Hillary gets more votes than all of the Republicans on the opposing ticket combined, but is still beat by Barack Obama-"

Maybe they should talk to someone who knows something about Wisconsin and also knows that there has been enormous Democratic turnout everywhere throughout the primary season.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:36 AM
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8. LOL!!! Only a flaming idiot couldn't see the gaping holes in logic
in this nutsoid post.

Seek professional help, indie. quickly.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:44 AM
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10. It was a multi state conspiracy!11!!!1!11!
It was really tough getting those buses to Alaska and Hawaii, but Obama has magic buses!11!!11!

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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:57 AM
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61. The Obama supporters were AWFUL.
Ashley
Houston, TX Reply »
|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#3 Monday Mar 31
I just attended an SD13 convention in Houston. The Obama supporters were AWFUL. The entire process fell apart when they called Clinton supporters racists and cheaters. The Obama supporters stood and cheered letting delegates that a pro-Obama credentialing committee had found to be ineligible to vote to be counted as delegates. The whole process was so disturbing. They were pleased to display a we outnumber you so the rules and laws don't apply to us attitude....I'm not sure I can stomach voting for another Democrat after this.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #61
80. Hey look, you can post MORE made-up horseshit.
NT!

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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #61
84. Well, you go on back to your
precious repubs then, where you seem to think you belong.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:48 AM
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12. and who was so smug and jeering when people asked that NH primary be audited?
remember how unexpectedly she won that? but since then, well, why can't Hillary just accept that people are voting for Obama instead of her? those voters are soooo mean, exercising their right NOT to vote for the same old crap.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:49 AM
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13. Gee, I don't even know where to begin with counting this bag full
of unfounded suspicions.

I'm sure FAUX News may be interested, but then again I think they could see the holes in your bias logic.
Roger over and out!
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:51 AM
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14. just when i thought you couldn't get any more idiotic....
:rofl:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:51 AM
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15. ROFLMAO !! I love the smell of Desperation in the Morning.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. Hmmmm, do you love the smell of sweat in the morning?
dripping in your coffee.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:54 AM
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17. Who is whining now? nt
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #17
20. Bingo!!
Double standard Clinton Supporters show again!
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:56 AM
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19. What a bunch of crap.
If evidence was based on things being "funny" you'd win every argument.

Funny isn't it? :hi:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:57 AM
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21. I swear
Its like you people get a memo every morning with talking points from your un-glorius leader.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:58 AM
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22. Yes, he's been cheating
Busing in supporters for rallies and caucuses, in general acting like a Republican.

That's why the final decision on the nomination should NOT be based on states with caucus victories.


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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:23 AM
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40. Busing in supporters for rallies isn't cheating...
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 10:24 AM by mckeown1128
or have you forgotten about Hillary's paid AFSCME crouds at every event?
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #22
75. He is also reported to have had something to do...
with the DEATH OF VINCE FOSTER!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #22
81. ...SAYS THE PERSON WHO DENIES THE VIDEO EVIDENCE THAT PROVES CLINTON LIED ABOUT TUZLA.
(Yeah, you're not getting away from that bit of delusional idiocy on your part.)

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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:02 AM
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23. At age 4 Obama made his puppy yelp for peeing on the carpet, story at 7, 8, 9, 10, 11......
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:09 AM
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25. I read a couple of screens on Hillary's blog. It's amateurish. I doubt if
this is being generated from the top. I read so much desperation in their posts: I think it's all so badly done that it's wishfull thinking on the part of some of her workers who thought they were on the way to the big time.

There's so much loss. It's also keeping them from seeing how much damage she's doing.

I don't think this is being fueled from the inside.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:19 AM
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26. REZKO CLINTON!!!!
REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!REZKO CLINTON!!!!

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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #26
29. Why don't you post Obama with Rezko?
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 09:28 AM by mac2
Rezko gave money and influenced both parties to get his power. However Obama got a real deal with his property.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Rezko Rezko was a Republican supporter too.

If you have say $1000 for a campaign you too can have your photo taken with the President. My local paint store owner has one with GH Bush hanging in his store.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #29
30. This is specific to this poster...
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 09:32 AM by yourguide
who posted constantly with falsehoods about the rezko trial and was rebuffed at every turn.

If I really wanted to take a shot at HRC I would post the photo of her with norman hsu.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #30
55. get a clue!
!
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #55
59. when you post FACTS instead of bulletins sourced from MYSPACE
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 11:42 AM by yourguide
I think it's obvious which one of us needs a clue.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #59
68. Nope. It was in a Chicago newspaper.
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 12:13 AM by mac2
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #68
88. Go look up her other posts...
she's had multiple threads closed, including rezko threads, due to crap sourcing. This one is from a friggin myspace bulletin...come ON.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:21 AM
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27. OMFGZZZZ! FROM MYSPACE??!?! THIS IS HUGH!!!11!1!!!!
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:24 AM
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28. I'm calling it now: INDIMUSESTUPIDITYGATE! OH NOES!!1!1!11!1
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #28
54. Another Obama "Attack Hyena" has arrived!
With zero to offer...JUST like his Master!
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:28 AM
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56. Every single thing you post
is trash, it's poorly sourced and it reeks of rethuglican attack garbage. many of your posts get locked. at this point I am making fun of you because about 10% of what you post is accurate IF that.

wake up. obama, not perfect, but you hurling crap out there thats not sourced makes YOU look like you have nothing to contribute.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:30 AM
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31. Oh you've really churned up the nest now.
Good for you. Everything needs to be addressed prior to the convention. Vote stealing is not new to the elite.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:32 AM
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32. Do you actually believe...
that a grown man or woman can be "intimidated" into changing their vote as described here? Short of having a gun to their head, which I assume your 'friend' has not documented? Well then.

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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:37 AM
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33. I don't know but during the Kennedy election in Chicago
they gave voters money to vote for him. It is silly since no one knows how they voted once in the booth. The intimidations during the Kerry election was to have long lines, lie, and manipulate computers. Gore's campaign was full of fruad and manipulation too.

If as they say, we never get who we want but few decide how will we ever know for sure? We should count in public and have paper ballots.

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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:11 PM
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66. okay
1) Provide proof of the assertions you're making (you can't).

2) Nothing you've said has anything to do with the charge being leveled at the Obama campaign in this thread; the part about "the Kerry election" doesn't have anything to do with changing people's votes.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 12:15 AM
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70. It's about voting fraud in their elections.
Happened then and could happen again.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:39 AM
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34. I call bullshit. That is NOT how the Obama campaign runs. They have opened over 50 offices in PA.
They have been here since February. They have registered tens of thousands of new Democrats in this state.

That is "ignoring" PA?

I call bullshit.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 12:16 AM
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71. Obama has more money than any candidate.
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 12:20 AM by mac2
Opening many offices is not a new thing to him.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?cycle=2008&id=N00009638

Money, money, money.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:58 AM
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36. Good. We will need a candidate who can cheat better than Grandpa's Diebold
I guess that puts the Hillary claim that "Obama can't beat the Rovians" to rest.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:18 AM
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37. Hillary would love caucuses if she won in them. Campaigners have said he runs a tight ship easy as
that.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:20 AM
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38. Another campaigner said Hillary campaigned at rallies but Obama went among the people in iowa makin
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 10:23 AM by cooolandrew
it more personal. You have to support the gress roots to win big and it breaks down as simple as that.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:22 AM
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39. HOLY SHIT IF IT'S ON MYSPACE IT'S TRUE
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:24 AM
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41. Texas is investigating reports.
I don't personally believe them. We read reports BEFORE the caucus that HilLIARy was passing out instructions for HER delegates to do the things you list. IT WAS HER IDEA. That vantage point makes it impossible to believe the converse. IF anything happened, it was defensive against her battalions.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:32 AM
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43. It was even on the Iraqi page on Myspace
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:02 AM
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45. Tin foil anyone?
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:03 AM
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46. Its a damn shame when so called Democrats post this kind of garbage
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 11:03 AM by BrentTaylor
on a another Democrat. unreal
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:05 AM
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47. How do we know who they are?
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:11 AM
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48. Thats PATHETIC
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:23 AM
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53. yeah..IF it's true...Pathetic!
...
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:13 AM
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49. They have the goods on your girl
My friend is a lawyer that worked in Ohio for Obama's campaign.

He was so angry from all the dirty voting and campaign tricks that they had to endure to beat back HC in Ohio.

The team of lawyers from all over the US went without sleep for 3 days trying to investigate all of the voter suppression tricks from HC.

He Marched with Dr. King.

He was bitten by a dog for Marching in the South for Civil Rights.

And he told me that he had NEVER seen anything like the voting scams they saw in Ohio.

Never ~ he voted for the Clintons in both elections and he couldn't believe his eyes in Ohio.

He left yesterday for PA and they know what she is up to and how she does it now.



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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:29 AM
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58. Obama has NEVER won an election...CLEAN!
Hillary has..Every time! We will see what is discovered soon..won't we?
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 01:15 AM
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85. Do you have enough info to start a separate thread on this?
It sure would be interesting.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:14 AM
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50. You folks are just really embarassing yourselves now
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:16 AM
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51.  i`ll ask my dog if there is any truth that obama has cheated.
........nope she`s said he`s not.

myspace as a source?

oh well this silly stuff will stop soon

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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:29 AM
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57. Pitiful and that's the problem with Clinton's campaign
Tell us some good things she will accomplish instead of dwelling on why her campaign is a failure.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:15 PM
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65. Your friend is pretty uninformed and rather naive
First of all - Obama couldn't have cheated in the Wisconsin caucus, because they had a primary. Repeating the "bused in from Chicago" is stupid - the only accusation was that the Obama people facilitated Iowa students returning to cast votes that were legally theirs to cast. It happens every year - this year was different only in that it was HARDER for out of state kids to vote as the caucus was moved up to winter break.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:36 PM
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67. I have to ask...
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 01:39 PM by windbreeze
Would it make sense to cheat in a manner that you could be caught at???That could be tracked directly back to your campaign?????He, himself, strikes me as far too intelligent to be a party to such shenanigans...(maybe it's because my mind can't fathom a lot of stuff people do)

In our state caucuses...you have to prove who you are, and how old you are...you have to sign in...they have the voter rolls right there that they check the information you give them, against, to see if your name is on it, and IF you are a Democrat....then the doors to the caucus venue are LOCKED until the voting is over...I seriously doubt anyone could be bussed in...Is there NO other state that does a caucus like that? I don't ever recall a bunch of crap going on with caucuses before...Is this the first time??? and why now?? why this particular primary season? Which, with the condition this country is in, is probably the single most important primary season ever held, so important that the candidates started campaigning as soon as the 2006 elections were over...I guess I don't understand...I would think any venue with a caucus would have to be every bit as secure as a primary venue with voting booths is..ours was...

imo, I still feel something stinks about this whole primary season...I have a serious feeling of unease...as though something very sneaky and nasty, that none of us know about, is going on behind the scenes....going to be quite interesting to see WHO actually ends up with this nomination.....wb
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 12:11 AM
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69. Here .. This should help:
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HopeforChange Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 12:30 AM
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73. Dear indimuse Please Read This
I happened to be very very involved in the caucus process in our precinct and in our Senate District in Texas. So let me clue you in on something.

First,
I was the Temporary Chair and the Permanent Secretary for my Precinct Convention
I was on the credentials committee for our Senate District Convention.
I helped with the automation of data for our Senate District Convention.

Yep, your right, Obama cleaned up at our Senate District Convention and at many of our Precinct Conventions.

I did some statistical analysis.

At our Senate District Convention around 70 to 73 percent of the Obama Delegates and Alternates from the Precinct Conventions showed up. Only somewhere around 43 to 45 percent of the Delegates and Alternates for Clinton from the precinct conventions showed up or signed in for Clinton at the Senate District Convention.

It seems the Clinton Supporters are not as committed as the Obama Supporters when it comes to standing in lines for hours and caucusing. I saw the same thing at the precinct convention and have heard the same from many many other voters from other precincts and conventions.

So maybe the reason Obama did so well at the caucuses is because a percentage of the Clinton voters were just not committed enough to caucus.

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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 12:36 AM
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74. There's a bunch of stuff out there on the internet. There's a video that looks funny too.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 12:54 AM
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76. What a complete load of
Horseshit. I attended a caucus in my state and it was obvious the HRC campaign didn't care about us at all. I counted a total of 5 - yes 5 HRC campaign signs in the hall. The thirty or so folks that sat in her section were simply outnumbered. I received three calls the day before and the day of the caucus from the Obama campaign with offers of a ride or help finding the caucus site. Lets face it - Her Arrogance had/has no ground game. She thought (and still thinks) this is owed to her and if she doesn't get her shiny little crown she's gonna destroy as much as she can as revenge for spoiling her coronation.

Now here's my favorite part of our post...

"The same people have been voting in each caucus in each state. Busses. 20 of them. With roughly, 40 people each. What's 40 x 20= 800."

Have you completely lost your tiny mind? Don't you think someone might have noticed a convoy of 20 fucking buses rolling into town and up to a caucus site? Hell we don't even have a place big enough to park twenty fucking buses in this town.

Tell you friend on the "interweb" they don't know their ass from their elbow.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 12:56 AM
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77. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! BASELESS CONJECTURE FROM MYSPACE?
You guys ARE desperate!

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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 12:58 AM
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79. Just as crazy as all those people who claimed in 2000 & 2004 there was cheating...
oh wait a minute....
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 01:04 AM
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83. Yeah, see, the difference there was EVIDENCE.
Just as soon as anyone offers a shred of evidence to support the currently unfounded allegations in the OP, then we can draw useful comparisons.

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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 01:18 AM
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86. Is this thing serious?
Is this guy serious?

I mean saying "Hillary got more votes then all the other republicans combined and still lost Wisconsin", a state in which the republican contest was pretty much already over by then, hence the reason why so many decided not to vote.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 03:21 AM
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87. Alerted
False accusations of vote fraud is a serious offense. You have no evidence, and you owe Obama and his followers an apology for defamation, and the Admins at DU an apology for using this forum to spread your propaganda.
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