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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:15 AM
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Joe Scarborough is a whinny Coward - here's proof.
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 10:19 AM by Phred42
Go Rachel!

looks to me like Joe attempted the standard Reich-wing crap on Rachel and Rachel bitch-slapped him in to the break.

"....he felt the conversation didn't fit his role as a political analyst" You mean that Rachel didn't allow Joe to do his job and Dump Reich-wing talking points and subvert the conversation? Right....

Joe's a coward and Reich-wing Stooge - any questions?

Joe Scarborough Walks Off MSNBC's "Race To The White House" After Exchange With Rachel Maddow Video

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/17/joe-scarborough-walks-off_n_97330.html


Update from MSNBC spokesman Jeremy Gaines to Huffington Post:
"Joe didn't walk off. He chose not to participate in the final couple of minutes of the discussion because he felt the conversation didn't fit his role as a political analyst."

Previously:
Did Joe Scarborough walk out of David Gregory's show "Race to the White House" Thursday night on MSNBC? It seems that way by the video below. Joe was a panelist on the show along with Air America's Rachel Maddow, CNBC's John Harwood and former Tennessee Congressman Harold Ford, Jr.

The panel was discussing the effect of Sen. Obama's personal and professional relationships on his campaign when Rachel and Joe disagreed. Joe started to challenge Rachel's argument that relationships only become an issue when a political opponent makes them an issue, but she cut him off, "Let me make my point and then you can dismiss me." She then finished with an example of a McCain campaign co-chair in Florida's bathroom activities.......
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Little Joe took his cookies and went home

:rofl:

In Maddow we are seeing the next generation of Political discourse blossom. Sorry Reich-wingnuts, your days a numbered.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:17 AM
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1. He should be fired.

Probably they're just waiting out his contract to end or something. Since Dan Abrams took over MSNBC is becoming much more watchable.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:08 AM
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15. I prefer that we let Rachel "school" Joe every day - rather than create an echo chamber
how else will we reach the folks who subscribe to the "bread and circus"
than to let someone like Rachel Maddow show how silly it is?
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:18 AM
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2. If their excuse were true...
... he'd have come back the next day. But he didn't. He's pissed, and I wonder what will happen with this.

On Friday, Rachel was making a point and Gregory reigned her in saying... "OK.. that's enough Rachel."

It'll be interesting to see where this whole thing goes. Are they gonna try to muzzle Rachel? Will she stick around if they do?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:21 AM
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3. They better not touch Rachel or they will really have some trouble
on their hands!

:mad:
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:25 AM
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6. I don't think they would dare touch Rachel because Keith Olberman...
really likes her as well and that might very well jeopardize his working for MSNBC....
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:19 AM
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20. The pendulum is swinging back, my friend.
It doesn't have anything to do with Keith liking Rachel Maddow. The corporate whores know that Americans are sick of the bullshit from the right. We've seen the fruits of that bullshit; we are now paying for it. The pendulum always swings back. That's what's happening now.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:22 AM
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4. Unfortunately some will try to muzzle her
She won't stand for it. They may do a Donahue on her but if they do, she'll keep her dignity and integrity and be back to crush them

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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:38 AM
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11. I saw that and it infuriated me - so patronizing.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:14 AM
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18. Yet he was on his "Morning Joe" show with Mika.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:23 AM
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21. Will we stick around if they do?
Liberal viewers are who saved MSNBCs bacon. Then again, if they want to be stuck with the Limbaugh-Hannity crowd, they will write their own obit. That group is doomed to the tarpit of history--just like the dinosaurs.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:23 AM
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5. I seriously think that if Joe isn't gone, Rachel will leave in the not to...
distant future, and I sure as hell wouldn't blame her. Rachel is awesome, Joe sucks and thats the bottom line.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:27 AM
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7. There has been talk of an AAR/MSNBC Simulcast of Rachels AAR show
Havent heard anything on that lately.

Might be too much for the suits

The worm is turning!
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:28 AM
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8. Well, while the people stand up to change the government....perhaps
we should include the media and flood them with our "thoughts" each time they screw up? Putting Rachel out would be a good start. Of course, we're going to run out of stations to watch, but what the hey!!!

I think we made a big impact on ABC. Selective complaining could bring them back to where they should be...objective reporting. They are leaning too much toward personal opinion, these days.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:28 AM
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9. Poor Joe.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:29 AM
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10. Pix taken during the Commercial Break?
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:58 AM
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12. Joe's a political analyst?
He should wear one of those name tag 'thingies' that says "Hi, I'm Joe, a Political Analyst". It's not readily apparent. Who knew?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:03 AM
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13. You got that right ~ he is a mush mouth Rove pimp
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 11:04 AM by goclark
Fire that fool MSNBC ~ We need a show called Good Morning Rachael!
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:10 AM
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16. he's a former US congressman who left in disgrace, intern murdered in his office
he was pushed out of office following an embarassing womanizing scandal
and a mysteriously murdered intern in his office.
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platosrepublic Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:07 AM
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14. Rachel Maddow for VP?
I think Rachel would be the perfect VP choice President Obama, she is 100% on point with everything and cuts all the BS out of the media.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:10 AM
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17. One step at a time! lol
sHE CAN DO MORE GOOD WITH AN oPEN FORUM NO HOLDS BARRED tv SHOW

If Abrams has the guts to allow it The Rachel SHow will be at least as big as Olbermann's

can you imagine Tweety GONE - Rachel / Olbermann / Abrams back to back to back?

WOW! THAT would be a beginning.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:15 AM
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19. She has so much class
I heard her talk about the incident on her radio show and she didn't condemn him-she defended him by saying that he worked a lot of hours at MSNBC and he was probably really tired. She didn't even want to address it at all, but she said that so many people were asking her about it she thought that had to say something. Rachel is a very classy and brilliant person, IMO. I wish she was on MSNBC a lot more and they would fire Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough. I am so sick of their RW lies and venom.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:25 PM
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22. Meanwhile, Scarborough is 10x the political analyst of a Rachel Maddow
I watched that show and I'm amazed at the way it's being portrayed. Rachel was in her typical whiny woe-is-us mode earlier in that show, insisting the prolonged Democratic nomination is boosting McCain and makes him the favorite for the general election. The others on the program, particularly Scarborough and Harwood, properly dismissed that as garbage and focused on the big picture -- an unpopular president and war with lousy economy and soaring gas prices, etc. They know damn well the Democratic side is the main event and the one who emerges -- and it will be Obama -- is the November favorite. They made Maddow look like an over reactive nuanced fool, as far as I was concerned.

That segment led to tension which spilled over later on. Rachel is accustomed to tossing out her, "McCain is the beneficiary..." line, with other panelists and the host acting like clapping seals in agreement. This time she was double teamed and pointedly rebuffed. I could tell immediately she was shocked, and intent to jump in forcefully later in the program.

Scarborough may have similarly over reacted with the "dismiss me" line but I couldn't really blame him. I've been on sports talk radio programs dozens of times in Las Vegas, on panels with several guests, and when one person doesn't grasp the big picture in terms of bottom line foundational advantage I tend to get irritated with them and toss aside their points on lesser issues.

Scarborough understands how voters think, particularly in the heartland, what will resonate and what will not. Tucker is also excellent in that regard. Hardly a coincidence Tucker has dominated some media prediction contests over the years. When I'm looking for analysis of that type I really don't care what side they're on.

It's another case of applied smarts vs. educational stuffiness, or whatever you want to call it. I damn near hit the floor in a seizure of laughter today when I stumbled upon that thread titled, "Hillary is winning the ignorant vote." Then you had the predictable flocking rejoinders, "Well Said!" and the like.

LOL. Talk about living in the world of reverse. Too bad that thread was locked. When you embrace a rapid riser with a flimsy resume, and known demographic weakness in vital states, in an open race, you are violating so many fundamentals it screams you are clueless in applied handicapping.

I'd love for Hillary supporters and Obama supporters to take their turns in Las Vegas, actual wagering on real world outcomes, using the same value system that led to the differed political choice. And anyone who thinks the Obama supporters would be favored is already 0-1. :rofl:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:30 PM
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23. Funniest post of the day!
:rofl:



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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:02 AM
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25. It's not Funny - It's Terrorism against Democracy!
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 11:06 AM by Phred42
We have to change OUR thinking before we can change the Frame. And we have to change the frame.

Dirty Tricks

Let’s STOP referring to the evil manipulative crap that the Republicans do as ”Dirty Tricks”!

The term “Dirty Tricks’ is a term for something cutesy and benign. What these bastards have done, are doing, and will continue to do, is not cute, and it is not benign. What they are doing is a blatant, premeditated, dishonest, underhanded and direct attack on the foundations of Democracy. They are calculated backdoor full assault, designed to subvert, undermine and manipulate the Nation, the Constitution, the Truth and the Democratic Process.

Switching the salt and sugar in their respective containers for April Fools day - is a Dirty Trick.

Filling a paper bag with dog shit, leaving it on someone’s door step, lighting it on fire, ringing their doorbell and running away – is a Dirty Trick.

What Nixon did to Muskie, what Reagan did to Carter and what the Bush’s did to Gore was not cute, what Bush did to McCain and Kerry was not benign. What they did was nothing less than subvert the Democratic process and hijack the Nation.

It was, and is, in fact - Terrorism against Democracy. And we MUST treat it as such!

This is what cowards do when they cannot make an honest, factual, truthful and convincing argument.

You have some heavy thinkers there. So do the Nation a service and find another term for this evil, corrupt, and dishonest practice. Start calling it what it is, and calling the people that do it, what they are.


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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:48 PM
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24. Actually I like Joe :::running & ducking:::
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 12:59 PM by Diamonique
I don't think it would be good for MSNBC to have *only* liberal hosts, ala FOX. It's good to have someone on the other side for comment; and IMO Scarbrough is better than all the rest of them I've seen. The ridiculous, openly racist and homophobic Buchanan is the one who needs to go. He is WAY out there.

Joe at least has the ability to see and express both sides, even though his opinion usually comes down on the wrong side. But that's OK. Different strokes, etc.

I think he and Rachel make a very good "opposing arguments" team because they both can articulate the arguments without him blathering and foaming at the mouth. Most of the Rethug commentators do that, and it makes me want to throw something at my TV.

His hissy-fit the other day was very childish. He's gonna have to get used to being on a panel with a *real* liberal.
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