Dear Hillary: What happens if you do win?

[kpete]

Saturday, April 19, 2008
Dear Hillary: What happens if you do win?
by Jacki Schechner · 4/19/2008 10:45:00 AM ET ·

I'm no strategist, but it seems that if you're aiming for the Democratic nomination, offending MoveOn and the Netroots is a first class disaster.

I mean, if by some chance you beat Obama, you're going to want MoveOn and the Netroots to help you beat McCain, right? Especially after you've already admitted that they're some of the biggest fundraisers the party's got.

And then there's the youth vote. Let's say you beat Obama, and they're a little angry. The Netroots could be great help in winning them back.

The "activist base" might have been willing to come around in time. They might have been willing to support you for the good of the party.

I'm guessing now...not so much.
more at:
http://www.americablog.com/2008/04/dear-hillary-what-happens-if-you-do-win.html

[goclark]

1. K and R

[PM7nj]

2. She is dumb dumb dumb

She should be concerned about her Senate seat.

[superkia]

23. I dont think she is dumb at all, I think she is just doing what her...

her elite boss' tell her to do. If the American public is sick of our country and lives being destroyed and has woke up to the corrupt system and wants to go with the candidate that seems to be straight forward and not playing political games with our childrens futures, she has to move to plan B and destroy the democrats chances so the elite can have their number two, McCain.

Not dumb, just corrupt and paid for! Shes not alone though, look at how many candidates spoke out in the debates about the impeachment subject when Kucinich brought it up several different times. I don't think anyone even acknowledged that the word impeachment was mentioned, even everyones golden boy, John Edwards. How about when Kucinich brought up the destruction of our constitution by our own government, how many actually followed his lead and made that critical issue to our lives a subject to speak on?


If anyone pays attention and researches our country and its history, they would see what has been taking place for a long time but too many are just too lazy or afraid to see the truth and actually have to deal with it, its easier to ignore it and hope it all works out for our children and grandchildren as we ignore what could happen to them in the future.

[BeyondGeography]

3. Looks like the plan is to bypass us and aim at the Republican base

They love her so, you know...:freak:

[rug]

4. If Moveon is indeed issues-oriented it will support Clinton.

First, hers are better than McCain's.

Second, hers are virtually the same as Obama's.

If it does not support Clinton and the Democratic platform, then what is it?

[GarbagemanLB]

5. In that audio tape she basically says MoveOn and her disagree on foreign policy. Why should they

help her, especially when she lies about MoveOn being opposed to going into Afghanistan?

[rug]

7. There is more agreement than disagreement.

Do you think they will allow McCain and his foreign policy to take power without opposing him?

[TheWraith]

14. No, they're going to help elect President Obama. nt

[rug]

20. Only if he in fact becomes Nominee Obama. If it's Nominee Clinton, they'll support her.

[TheWraith]

27. Guess what? He's going to be. nt

[TheDoorbellRang]

29. There's a big difference between active and passive support, tho

Many here would vote for her this fall, but I doubt if there'd be a lot volunteering or donating to her campaign. She hasn't done very well winning hearts and minds -- small states, caucus states, red states, young voters, AA voters, and now moveon.org. I don't know why she's burned so many bridges with so many democrats. It really doesn't make much sense.

[TheWraith]

10. The anti-war group will back the pro-war candidate?

And moreover, a candidate that just trashed them and the entire activist base of the party?

[rug]

11. A) She is not prowar. B) They'll get over it, poor things.

There are more important things at stake than hurt feelings.

[TheWraith]

15. All the cheerleading for the Iraq war aside.

Also the talk about massive retaliation in the Middle East, and her continued attempts to sell a link between Iraq and 9/11.

No, I don't think they're gonna get over that.

[rug]

17. Don't forget Obama is not any more antiwar than Clinton. He's simply against dumb wars.

Obama is more than capable of military action he considers smart, whether Moveon approves or not.

The antiwar camp has nothing to be happy about with either candidate.

[TheWraith]

26. If Obama is against dumb wars, and Clinton is FOR dumb wars, I think that's a difference.

MoveOn isn't against all military action ever, either, no matter what Clinton tries to spin it as. So yes, I think the anti-war folks will be very happy with President Obama.

[Skidmore]

16. Try me.

Hurt feelings? Try anger at thousands of dead on our side and millions on the other. Death and destruction. I don't trust her current stated position on the war because she has demonstrated many times a willingness to say whatever will bring her a short term gain. This MO member and Obama supporter will not help her march the nation into another neocon dream.

[rug]

21. Will you support Obama if he takes military action against Pakistan or Iran?

[Armstead]

19. Did you hear her plans for the Mideast in the debate?

Hell, she almost makes McCain sound like a dove

[rug]

22. I did. The difference is McCain is unilateral.

She referred to a regional security pact based on no nuclear proliferation.

[Armstead]

24. Why is she upping the ante at a time when we need to be cooling things down?

[truedelphi]

25. She is stridently Pro-War. I watched her give speeches leading up to IWR

And her stance on Iran is typical neo con-- BOMB Iran now to smithereens before they blow up the world.

[liberaldem4ever]

6. K & R Good question

[RazBerryBeret]

8. If she wins, it may be time

for moveon to move on...and I'm a supporter--I volunteered for them in 04 as a Precinct Captain.
but this is amazing to me, considering MoveOn was formed to help her husband in the monica debacle, right? That was when I became a member--during the impeachment proceedings, it was a plea--move on...

[Life Long Dem]

9. She is dragging herself down to drag Obama down.

This only makes sense if it doesn't matter to Hillary but does to McSame.

[DJ13]

12. The Clintons have always been shortsighted

In the middle of Bill's first term, instead of working to keep the Democrats in power in Congress he ignored the party and pushed through several long desired GOP bills, effectively writing off his own party in the midterm election when Gingrich marched in with his Contract with (on) America and seized power.

The consequence of that shortsightedness was the independant council witch hunt that led to his embarrasing Monica problem in his second term.

[Skidmore]

13. Her campaign in this primary is fraught with stunning examples

of why this woman should not be allowed anywhere near the White House--from mismanagement of financial resources and staff conflict to talking out of both sides of her mouth and crapping on the people who supported them during all the hard years of "experience" for her and her husband. Time for this little drama to be shut down. The nation needs no more trauma.

[grantcart]

18. I hate to bring it up but there is one strategy that makes it a very smart move

McCain/Clinton

[Orangepeel]

28. She's thinking that it doesn't matter what she'd do if she wins, if she doesn't win.

I think that she started out with a campaign designed to win a general election against Mitt Romney (i.e., tough and experienced). When things didn't work out like she planned (either for the primary or the general), her campaign was up the creek.