How Did Clinton & Obama Vote on the MoveOn Censure?

[QC]

Does anyone remember?

[grasswire]

1. I read today here on DU...

...that Obama wasn't present for the vote.

[QC]

2. How did Clinton vote? n/t

[jkshaw]

3. I'm almost certain she voted FOR it.

If I'm wrong, I apologize.
Preemptively.

[AllentownJake]

5. I was wrong

A rare instance of courage from Clinton.

[Smarmie Doofus]

10. Rare indeed. But let's give her some credit. nt

[paulk]

4. Hillary voted against it

Obama, doing his usual CYA, abstained

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/09/_obama_misses_vote_on_moveon_right_after_voting_on_boxer_measure.php

[krawhitham]

6. Link

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00344#name

[anonymous171]

7. Obama, along with Biden and Maria Cantwell, did not vote.

[Clintonista2]

37. How did Clinton vote?

[Straight Shooter]

8. Hillary voted against it, spoke strongly on behalf of MoveOn's First Amendment rights.

Took a lot of heat from the right wing over her refusal to condemn MoveOn. She disagreed with the ad, itself.

Obama assumed his insouciant attitude and brushed it off as "ridiculous" or "silly" or some such dismissive word. He did not show up to vote for or against.

ETA: Interestingly, Webb and McCaskill both voted "yea." Here is a link to the roll call; my apologies for the source, it's the first one that came up:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22501

[TankLV]

9. In other words - he took a pass so he can have it both ways...

as usual...

[Straight Shooter]

11. Exactly. Same reason he skipped the vote on Kyl-Lieberman.

He probably would not have voted yea or nay for the IWR.

[anonymous171]

15. Too bad Hillary voted "yes"

Inaction would have been preferable to a "yea" vote.

[Straight Shooter]

19. The courage of one's convictions is preferable to taking no stand at all.

I don't trust people who refuse to take a stand on controversial issues. It shows lack of leadership. Obama should have shown up and voted nay if he was against it. Instead, he wants to have his cake and eat it, too.

Furthermore, the incendiary language was removed from K-L before Hillary voted yea.

By the way, McCain didn't show up to vote, either. Only Hillary has the courage of her convictions.

[anonymous171]

21. OK, then her "convictions" are neoconservative.

[emilyg]

12. Yep.

[Mags]

40. like so many controversial votes. You know like present.

[QC]

13. Fascinating--thanks for the info! n/t

[mrreowwr_kittty]

16. And then she went to a fundraiser and told her rich pals how she really felt about them.

Oh and nice RW website you're linking to there. Too hard to look for a roll call that was on a better one.

[Straight Shooter]

20. Did you not read my apology for the source?

I don't have the time to indulge your petulant sensibilities. You want a better source, you find it and look for it.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

22. Petulant sensibilities.

That's rich coming from a person who proclaims his Donnie McClurkin obsession in his sig line. :eyes:

Hillary's Donnie McClurkins Read and weep, hypocritical Hillbot.

[guruoo]

25. See this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5586091

How about a kick? :hi:

[QC]

30. Kicked it! n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

14. Wow....Awesome Catch...nt

[saintandrew]

17. Obama chose not to vote. It was a very tough decision for him

Hillary sided with Moveon.

[anonymous171]

18. Neither did Biden or Sen. Cantwell

[ShortnFiery]

23. Yes, she only disrespects them behind their back because she NEEDS everyone to win.

Goes to character and none of it reflects positive on HRC. :thumbsdown:

[AtomicKitten]

24. The recording of her slamming MoveOn VS that vote sort of cancel each other out, eh?

I swear she is 10 x more slippery than her husband.

:hi:

[paulk]

31. actually, voting - you know - putting your position down

in black and white - is sort of the bottom line, don't you think?

If defending an organization's constitutional rights, even when you disagree with them is "slippery", maybe we need more "slippery" politicians.



It sure beats ducking the issue when it comes to character - something that seems to be a pattern for Senator Obama.

[AtomicKitten]

32. Only a Clinton supporter would defend her duplicity (reads: two-faced) on this issue.

My personal favorite, however, is applauding her YES vote on the IWR because she took a stand.

The hundreds of thousands of people that died because of this ill begotten, immoral, illegal war thank you for your framing her egregious, politically motivated vote as taking a stand.

Bravo!

:insert sarcasm smilie here:

[paulk]

33. I just want you to know that I'm putting you on ignore

you've gone from being one of the better posters on this board to one of the worst.

It seems like you need the attention that comes from pissing people off -

I'm not going to give it to you.

[AtomicKitten]

41. Remember, no peeking.

Let's do the math: You liked me when I was an obnoxious Clinton sycophant for my first two years' tenure at DU, but not so much now that I have chosen another candidate. Got it.

C-ya :hi:

[springhill]

27. You guys are just unbelievable!

She can disagree with them and yet still uphold their rights? If she had voted no or even abstained as Obama did she would be absolutely pilloried. You put a motive behind everything she does. But Obama has an explanation for his absent vote, and of course, is defended to the end. Surprised, no. It's what I have come to expect from some very hateful people.

[Emit]

26. Obama explains his non-vote

Obama explains his non-vote Posted: Thursday, September 20, 2007 4:17 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Security, Obama
From NBC's Mark Murray
Obama's presidential campaign gives First Read this statement from Obama about not voting today on the Senate measure condemning the MoveOn.org print ad criticizing Gen. David Petraeus.



"The focus of the United States Senate should be on ending this war, not on criticizing newspaper advertisements," Obama says. "This amendment was a stunt designed only to score cheap political points while what we should be doing is focusing on the deadly serious challenge we face in Iraq. It's precisely this kind of political game-playing that makes most Americans cynical about Washington's ability to solve America's problems. By not casting a vote, I registered my protest against this empty politics. I registered my views on the ad itself the day it appeared.

Obama goes on to say, "All of us respect the service of General Petraeus and all of our brave men and women in uniform. The way to honor that service is to give them a mission that is responsible, not to vote on amendments like the Cornyn amendment while we continue to pursue the wrong policy in Iraq."


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/20/372106.aspx

[LTR]

28. I applaud Obama for not participating in voting on silly GOP wedge issues

He saw the bill for what it was - a silly Republican stunt.

[BlooInBloo]

35. An example of the difference between Clinton and Obama...

... Clinton plays within the rules and structures presented to her - sometimes to good effect (like here), sometimes not (IWR comes to mind). Obama, works to change the nature of the game ITSELF.

[Petey Wheatie]

36. I applaud Obama for his cowardice. lol

[Marie26]

39. How does that explain it?

If he opposed the amendment, why didn't he vote against it? That's pretty lame. It'd be like saying he opposed the war resolution so much, he decided to boycott voting on it.

[donheld]

29. This is seriesly Hugh

About equal with lapel pins.

[Petey Wheatie]

34. Perfectly illustrates why Hill's the one for me! n/t

[Marie26]

38. Great catch

I'm actually surprised by that - who'd have thought that Clinton actually defended the netroots movement, while Obama ducked out?