The Rules Change for Obama

[PinkTiger]

Snip:
The presidency is a uniquely personal office, and each incumbent puts his individual stamp on it. Obama's choice to join Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church and his choice to befriend William Ayers were not those most Americans would make, and Hillary Clinton was quick to declare, perhaps opportunistically, they were not choices she would have made.

This doesn't mean that Obama is responsible for Wright's outrageous statements or for Ayers' criminal acts (the charges against him were dropped because of government misconduct). But Obama's choices to associate with Wright and Ayers tend to undercut his appealing message -- very appealing after 15 years of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- that we must strive to overcome the racial and cultural and ideological divisions which have dominated our politics They are something that voters are entitled to weigh as they make their decisions.
Obama fans are upset that ABC News' Stephanopoulos and Charlie Gibson broke the unwritten rule that you are not supposed to ask Democratic candidates about these things. Associations with unrepentant radicals and comments made to contributors at a San Francisco fund-raiser in a billionaire's mansion are supposed to be kept indoors. Only the face that the candidate wants to place before the public should be seen.

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Rest of article:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/the_rules_change_for_obama.html

[TML]

1. More RW sources?

You realize who Real Clear Politics employs for opinion writers on Yahoo!, don't you?

[NightWatcher]

2. can we get Skinner to post a list of "sources you might not want to use

else you'll get called a freeper?"

I'm tired of reading recycled garbage on DU

[TML]

5. Great idea

I'm tired of seeing the home of Dick Morris (LOL) used as a source.

[roguevalley]

25. this article reeks of poo. So, if you have asshat friends, you can't

do something? Sitting on a board with someone, being cordial, that is called good manners and civic involvement. Consider where most of Clinton's cabinet, etc work and socialize now. Madeleine Albright worked with Conrad Black. Do we hang her? Are we all responsible for the actions and words of others? If so, half of us would not speak to our asshat family members again. Jeez. Is this all we have to discuss?

[DearAbby]

3. Why don't you copy and paste

some shit from Free Republic :eyes:

[susankh4]

4. I read this today as well.

It is excellently conceived and executed. No matter what the source.

[depakid]

6. "his choice to befriend"

Now there's a classic example of how far right propaganda manipulates people's perceptions, without their even knowing it.

[Danger Mouse]

7. While you're at it, I hear World Nut Daily and News Max have some great anti-Obama pieces...

you might want to check out.

[hell-bent]

9. Now I understand.

If there is any article critical of the Master it's Right-Wing garbage,right? How foolish of me not to get the message. I must remember to get one of those foil hats to pick up the right messages.

[Danger Mouse]

17. No. But RCP is a RW site. Can't you find something anti-Obama...

that wasn't spewed out by right wing hacks?

[PinkTiger]

34. It is NOT a RW site.

I don't know where you get that crap.

[Danger Mouse]

37. From the mouth of the SITE''S OWN FOUNDER, John McIntyre

In an interview with Human Events, McIntyre explained "we have a frustration all conservatives have", which is "the bias in media against conservatives, religious conservatives, Christian conservatives." He described the philosophy behind the website as based on "freedom" and "common-sense values." Said Bevan, "We think debate on the issues is a very important thing. We post a variety of opinions."

source is wikipedia, btw.

[PinkTiger]

38. "We post a variety of opinions."

What else is there to say?
The links on that site are appropriate. It is a microcosm of current news. It is not necessarily biased. I have been reading it for months. And I'm a Democrat. So there.

[Danger Mouse]

39. Fair enough, but I'm bothered by the conservative slant of the founders.

[PinkTiger]

41. Opinions are like assholes.

Everybody has one. I guess they are allowed to have their opinion just as you and I are. But the site is a useful place for polls, etc. Not everybody has to agree with us, you know.

[Zhade]

28. No. Try reading up on those sources before embarassing yourself further.

NT!

[FrenchieCat]

8. The rules change for Barack because he is not White......

Bill Clinton had no problem getting into the White House even though he chose to befriend Genifer Flowers and Paula Jones. Nor did his popularity dissipate when he chose to have sexual relations with Monica Lewisky and lie to the American people about it. Nor did his poll numbers drop when Bill Clinton chose to pardon 100s of convicted criminals, including those who had actually committed the radical crimes associated with this barely known Ayres guy.

Hillary Clinton chose to remain in a marriage with an admitted serial adulterer and disbarred Attorney; and that is not brought up during these primaries.

The fucking double standard in this country is astounding, and those who fail to pick up on this fact are neither intelligent nor smart.

[hell-bent]

13. You are really reaching low into the gutter

with your anti-Clinton rhetoric aren't you? Disbarred attorney, serial adulterer,etc.Such rhetoric puts you in the same boat with Rush, Hannity, O'Really! I suppose you want the Clinton supporters to support your choice if he should be the nominee,right? Fat chance on that! Wes would be very disappointed with your hateful comments.

[Renaissance Man]

14. Well

That's not anti-Clinton rhetoric. That's the truth.

He is disbarred. He did commit adultery on more that one occasion. If there was something that she said that was not factual, then I can understand the outrage.

[ecdab]

19. Guilt by association is only fair when used against Obama - right?

It's really funny watching Hillary and her supporters run around trying to find every "guilt by association" person that can be connected to Obama and pointing out that "it's OK to use these tactics because the GOP will use them" - but as soon as Obama supporters play that card (a card Obama himself has too much class to play) it's gutter politics - as if the GOP won't be playing every single ugly card against Clinton that Obama has deliberately chosen not to play for the simple reason that it is not good for the party in the long terms, because it opens up divisions and creates animosity - something Hillary clearly could care less about.

[FrenchieCat]

22. I'm reaching low into the gutter because that is where her bonafides are......

Like asking a Presidential candidate if they love the flag is not reaching where no man has gone before.

If you think folks can't the obvious, you are not very smart.

[hell-bent]

24. So you are saying

that they(Repukes)didn't question Kerry's patriotism in relation to his testimony before Congress as a returning Vietnam veteran? And, they didn't question Bill Clinton's patriotism when he received deferments to avoid being drafted? What about how the MSM lambasted Gore for his remarks about his involvement in the creation of the Internet? Hillary has been asked questions about how she reacted to her husband's affair with the intern which was personal and not the business of others. It appears that any question that implies poor judgment by Obama borders on racism. Oh, the old race card rears its ugly head when Obama appears to be scrutinized closely by the Media. They have to walk a very fine line in their questioning.

[GoldieAZ49]

43. disgusting isn't it

they have rendered the term racist meaningless.

poor lil precious shouldn't have to answer any questions cuz it makes him look bad.

SnObama is not entitled to a free pass by the media

[PinkTiger]

44. Yes, because he is ENTITLED TO WIN, because he is Black.

Those who say Hillary thinks she is entitled should look at their own messed up rhetoric.

[GoldieAZ49]

45. he is entitled to be vetted beyond his comfort zone

the more he snivels and whines the better

[GoldieAZ49]

32. So you are saying Obama loves his association with Wright, Rezco, Ayers & Farrakhan

like a wife loves a husband even when he is a cad?

Did Obama take the 'for better or worse' vows? That would be an interesting youtube video.

[2rth2pwr]

40. You're confused. Bill drove a big bus over Flowers and Jones.

Obama is still standing strong for Wright and his English professor neighbor Ayers is still on his Christmas card list.

[PinkTiger]

42. Yes. nt.

[Renaissance Man]

10. Did you even read what you typed?

" that we must strive to overcome the racial and cultural and ideological divisions which have dominated our politics. They are something that voters are entitled to weigh as they make their decisions."

Give me a break. As if Hillary (or her surrogates) give a damn about overcoming racial, cultural and ideological divisions.

She's exploited feminism and used race-bating (between Hispanics and African-Americans) all throughout this campaign. Save the crap for someone who hasn't noticed her bull.

[anonymous171]

15. Agreed. The Clinton's NEVER "overcome," they only know how to "exploit."

[hell-bent]

20. So Sharpton, Jackson,

and all the Black congressmen and congresswomen were duped by Ole'Bill, right? Name a few prominent Black leaders that saw through Clinton's exploitations. No, not Armstrong Williams. I would wager you were still worried about acquiring the next hot record or CD when the Clinton's were running this nation effectively.

[anonymous171]

21. You mean Bill Clinton, right? Hillary Rodham's career started in when she became a senator.

She has no connection to Bill Clinton. Or you may be confusing Senator Rodham, a junior senator from NY, with Hillary Clinton, the former first lady.

[PinkTiger]

36. You are so wrong. Go read up on history.

HRC has been involved in politics and in working for this country's good since she was in high school. Yes, she was married to a two-term president. That is purely incidental. I know it frosts your ass. Get over it. Some people are able to hook up well, some aren't.

[hell-bent]

18. I suppose that all those Black congressmen and congresswomen

and civic leaders that thought Bill Clinton was a good friend to the Black community were just a bunch of lackeys,right? But I am sure you as the Renaissance Man know more than they do about who supported and fought for legislation to help the Black community. GMAFB! And, BO didn't use the race card to capture the Black vote? Didn't his wife say she couldn't understand why any black voter wouldn't automatically support her husband? His surrogates stirred the race pot effectively. I hope it will not come back to bite him in the ass should he be the nominee.

[Renaissance Man]

23. Don't patronize me with this BS!

Bill and Hillary Clinton were welcomed with OPEN ARMS in the Black Community. Both times he received widespread support by the Black Community both for his election and re-election bids. Our community defended him just as much as (or even moreso) than any other group of Democratic voters. Any Black person will tell you that, and no one Black American will deny that fact. Take a look at a video from Coretta Scott King's funeral.

Barack Obama did NOT use any race card to capture the Black vote. As a matter of fact, I'll even go further to tell you that many Black Americans understood that Barack Obama would have NO chance of getting to the general election if he did not win Iowa or New Hampshire, stronger indicators of how electable he would be in a General Election.

Here are a few facts surrounding why Hillary Clinton's support has dwindled from 55% in the Black Community to less than 20%. Her surrogates are primarily responsible for her dwindling support in the Black Community. Combine that with the photo her camp released of him in that Somali garb, and many Black Americans are infuriated.

Clinton Supporter Andrew Cuomo (January 10, 2008) -- ”It’s not a TV-crazed race. Frankly you can’t buy your way into it,” Cuomo said. “You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference,” he added. “All those moves you can make with the press don’t work when you’re in someone’s living room.” Shuck and jive?

Clinton Supporter Robert Johnson (former owner of BET) -- "And to me, as an African-American, I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues since Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood –­ and I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in the book –­ when they have been involved..."

OK, this is the same guy that sold his soul to put the mysoginist crap that is on BET now. The same guy that openly promotes degenerate behavior that typifies and stereotypes Black Americans has the absolute, unmitigated GALL to mention Sen. Obama's honesty in admitting his past drug use?

... and that's just TWO of the comments. If I would put every link up from words from a Clinton supporter (or Bill Clinton) that has openly disparaged and tried to play Black voters for being utterly stupid and not able to sift through the bullshit, it would take me at least another two hours.

I could also write about how this Rev. Wright story didn't get blown up until after Hillary was steamrolled through 12 straight primary and caucus losses and how the Black community (and the Black church in a larger context) has been thrown under the bus for Hillary's ambitions.

So, cut the crap. No one's buying your Bull.

[hell-bent]

26. So you know for a fact

that Hillary and Bill were responsible for releasing that photo with him in that African garb? And, you know for a fact that Hillary encouraged the Black supporter of hers to point out Obama's drug use as described in his own book? So it was Hillary that video-taped Wright's ranting about "how the chickens have come home to roost", and gave it to the Media in an attempt to destroy BO? Do you have proof or links to some proof for your outrageous assertions? Or, is it the standard talking points from the Obama camp? Did she put the words in his mouth in California resulting in a serious faux pas that may affect the Pennsylvania race? Oh, I know! Let's use the standard line the Repukes use: "It's all Clinton's fault!" GMAFB......

[BklynChick]

11. there's a double standard because of his race. period.

[PinkTiger]

35. His being Black doesn't give him a pass.

He has to earn his way like everyone else. I'm not into entitlement because of race or gender.

[Renaissance Man]

12. Agreed, Frenchie!

This is a complete double standard.

How many other presidential candidates have, in the past, had to deal with their patriotism being questioned?

How many presidential candidates have had to endure their home church been scrutinized and invaded?

Until someone can answer these questions for me, then I don't want to hear shit about "tough questions" that were only asked out of spite.

[grasswire]

30. You're either very young.....

...or you have a poor reading of history.

[IsItJustMe]

16. More right wing bull shit. God, is this freeperville?

[boppers]

29. Hillary-crats are slowly learning...

That this is DemocraticUnderground, not HillaryLand.

They seem displeased about it.

[PinkTiger]

33. NO, And it isn't Obamaville, either.

You might as well accept that your way is not the only way. Nobody died and made you or that jerk Obama God. And I say jerk, because anybody who thinks he is cute when giving the finger to another candidate is really stupid and immature.
OF course, what can I expect from him? He is so much like his lapdogs.

[GoldieAZ49]

27. So true

America has enough problems they are not going to vote for more from some rookie that didn't know, didn't know, didn't know time and time again.

We need a POTUS that does know who they are associating with, what their character is and how to work with people to accomplish what America needs.


BHO isn't it.

[tammywammy]

31. Yea! More RW stories on DU!

I just can't get enough. Be sure to check Newsmax too and post some crap from there as well.