Do the Hillary supporters honestly think that the Super Delegates.....

[KansasVoter]

are going to vote against:

A candidate with a 70 (worst case) delegate lead
A candidate who raises $40-$55 Million dollars a month
A guy who draws huge crowds
A guy with NO name recognition who is beating a candidate who HAD EVERY POSSIBLE ADVANTAGE IMAGINABLE?
A guy with national numbers close or ahead of Hillary

Hillary supporters, there is no way the DNC or Supers will tell millions of Obama Supporters that delegates don't matter.
If they do there will be a mass walkout in Denver. I guarantee it. There is no way to tell Obama supporters Obama is not a viable candidate.

I will drive my ass 700 miles just to show up and protest.

Folks, no way if Obama has the delegate lead can the supers go against him and save the party.

Why do you not understand this?

If you think I am missing something please let me know.

[msongs]

1. especially ones violating the will of their primary's voters -like kennedy and kerry? nt

[gateley]

25. I just heard the other day -- I think from Dean(?)

That the 'rule' is for the SD to vote his/her conscience.

So Kennedy and Kerry were going by the book.

[RiverStone]

33. And like Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray of WA!

WTF! I say...

And have called both offices and ask why are you (both) endorsing Hillary when WA gave Obama the victory 68-32%.

Answer:

Wait till after the last primary, and indeed you may see a shift to support the candidate that represents the will of the electorate in Washington state.

BTW, I do believe SD's should represent the majority opinion of those who elected him/her - incl. Kennedy and Kerry.

[bigbrother05]

35. Kennedy & Kerry endorsed BEFORE the primary in MA

Just as many opted for Clinton prior to their own state's voting.

Could such SDs change after the votes are in? Yes, many have and might continue to do so.

Should such SDs change after the votes are in? That is a decision to be made by each one for whatever reason they choose.

Think that is what Dean is trying to get across, he just wants them to get off the bench and enter the game.

[NightWatcher]

2. um, you mean a 170 delegate lead

not too mention has nearly 1.5 million individual donors.
As well as embraces the grassroots and will use them to flood Congress with DOZENS of new democrats in office in November.

[KansasVoter]

5. I meant worse case in PA and IN. That is the worse he could enter Denver in. (eom)

[NightWatcher]

6. I dont think it will be that close, but even giving her the benefit of the doubt...

[rocktivity]

12. It COULD be that close

All Hillary has to do is get at least 65% of the vote in ALL TEN of the remaining contests.

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[stop the bleeding]

3. yes they do - to answer your question

:beer:

[maddiejoan]

4. better save up for your gas money

it'll be an expensive trip.

[KansasVoter]

7. Give me the details Einstein. How would the SD vote against him??

[maddiejoan]

10. How would they vote against her?

Neither candidates made the 2025 mark.

[sellitman]

15. The way they vote against Hillary is...

they follow the delegate count , the popular vote and the State vote.

Now give me your scenerio.

[maddiejoan]

18. They follow the popular vote

[sellitman]

26. Hillary is behind in the popular vote though.

Would you be ok with the Super Delegates changing the will of the people if Obama gets to the Convention with both the Delegates and the Popular vote?

[maddiejoan]

27. He won't

so it's a moot point.

[sellitman]

31. Logic and numbers tell us you are wrong.

It's nice to support your candidate but at this point you probably should be looking at reality not perceived reality.

[maddiejoan]

32. Reality

maintains that this is going to the convention

[sellitman]

36. Of that we agree.

That ..she has the right to go that far there is no argument.

Whether she should......not if she is against a McBush Presidency.

[JackORoses]

16. you don't even believe what you are typing anymore, do you?

All that's left is a Spiteful Shell of a person.
How very sad.

[maddiejoan]

19. which one of us just

tossed out the hateful insult post?

Was that you or me?

[Arkansas Granny]

8. I can neither predict nor sway the SD pledges. Their role is to pledge to the

candidate that they believe is the best choice for the party. They are not bound by the popular vote, money raised or delegate count. They are expected to vote their conscience. So be it.

[scheming daemons]

11. And their "conscience" won't let them go against the will of the people....

...not to mention their re-election prospects.

[Arkansas Granny]

14. That's your opinion. We'll see in time what they decide to do.

[rocktivity]

17. I hope the the consciences of the congressional SDs remind them

that they have to re-apply for the jobs in November, too.

:headbang:
rocknation

[KansasVoter]

20. No way do they override the topics I mentioned!

[Arkansas Granny]

21. Maybe they will consider the projected electoral vote.

With Obama as the nominee, the electoral college at the moment is Obama 260 to McCain 254 with 24 ties. With Hillary Clinton as the nominee, it is Clinton 289 to McCain 239 with 10 ties. Thus for the moment, her argument that she is more electable is true.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

[KansasVoter]

22. And you keep Obama supporters from freaking out by doing what??? (eom)

[Arkansas Granny]

23. I don't have any control over the SD vote or Obama supporters reaction to it.

You were asking questions, I was providing possible scenarios.

[KansasVoter]

24. LOL.....I guess the SDs could vote for Edwards too. That would be OK I guess. No one mad about that!

[scheming daemons]

9. Don't use the words "Honestly" and "Hillary" in the same sentence....

They don't go together.

[DAGDA56]

13. It also has to do with the "undercard"...

...MSNBC's Chuck Todd mentioned this afternoon that the SD's see that an Obama candidacy would bring out new Democratic voters to the polls in November...voters who would help in Senate and Congressional contests. HRC would not bring along as many new voters. At this point, it is, admittedly, just speculation.

[OzarkDem]

28. Super-D's care primarily about the GE

and who can best beat the Republican.

They also care about how much a candidate can help other Dems farther down the ticket.

[Spider Jerusalem]

29. That makes a strong case against them going for Hillary, then.

Hillary isn't best to beat McCain (because over half the country views her as unlikeable and basically untrustworthy; her negatives in those areas far exceed McCain's), and Hillary as nominee would hurt down-ticket races more than she'd help (see above).

[OzarkDem]

30. Obama is still untested, and the GOP will test him in the GE

Clinton hasn't been nearly as tough on Obama as the GOP will be.


Go back and review the ABC debate w/ audience feedback. Every issue that Obama did poorly on will be amplified and repeated endlessly by the GOP in the GE. That will be 100% of their campaign against Obama, plus many more negative points Clilnton hasn't brought up (connections to Muslims, etc.).

[psychmommy]

34. trust me if hill could dig up any dirt on him

she would have put it out there. i feel very confident about barack having been fully vetted. although hill says she has ben fully vetted-that is only on the old crap from the 90's. lot of water under the bridge since then