Is anyone watching Press The Meat?

[NightWatcher]

Obama's campaign director is pwning Clinton's


discuss amongst yourselves

[Coexist]

1. its not on here for another 40 mins

is it worth tuning in for?

[NightWatcher]

3. oh yes, Axelrod comes out swinging and Hill's guy cant look anyone in the eye

[jefferson_dem]

9. So slimeball Penn's replacement is a dud? How can we trust her to run the country...

given how ineptly she's run her campaign?

[NightWatcher]

10. he got asked about Moveon and choked

competent, he is not. If Hillary picks people like this to run her campaign, I'd be scared of her Cabinet

Enjoy

[Vanje]

53. Hes a dud

On some tough questions, Clinton's guy says, "I've only been working on the campain a few weeks".

He repeatedly passes up chances to defend his boss, and her campaign, and defends himself instead.

Pretty weak.

[ORDem]

57. He really said that? On national TV??? OMG!!! If this is the best she

can come up with she's in a world of hurt.

:rofl:

[ScarletSniper]

11. 40 minutes here too

[lisa58]

2. it's not on here for another hour...

...is it worth watching?

[TexasLady]

4. thanks for that teaser! I am definitely going to watch it now

:hi:

[oviedodem]

5. You can't be anymore right; Penn at least does a better job. This new guy said some crazy stuff like

"Iran is the biggest threat to the middle east".

Now if that does not sound like EXACTLY what the republicans said about Iraq AND now what they are saying about Iran. Folks wake up she is a DLC republican in sheep's clothing.

[babylonsister]

8. Don't forget Lieberman; that's been his battle cry of late, too. nt

[merh]

12. oh yeah, she is neo-con or neo lib or whatever it is

this is what she said during the debate

SENATOR CLINTON: Well, in fact, George, I think that we should be looking to create an umbrella of deterrence that goes much further than just Israel. Of course I would make it clear to the Iranians that an attack on Israel would incur massive retaliation from the United States, but I would do the same with other countries in the region.

You know, we are at a very dangerous point with Iran. The Bush policy has failed. Iran has not been deterred. They continue to try to not only obtain the fissile material for nuclear weapons but they are intent upon and using their efforts to intimidate the region and to have their way when it comes to the support of terrorism in Lebanon and elsewhere.

And I think that this is an opportunity, with skillful diplomacy, for the United States to go to the region and enlist the region in a security agreement vis-a-vis Iran. It would give us three tools we don't now have.

Number one, we've got to begin diplomatic engagement with Iran, and we want the region and the world to understand how serious we are about it. And I would begin those discussions at a low level. I certainly would not meet with Ahmadinejad, because even again today he made light of 9/11 and said he's not even sure it happened and that people actually died. He's not someone who would have an opportunity to meet with me in the White House. But I would have a diplomatic process that would engage him.

And secondly, we've got to deter other countries from feeling that they have to acquire nuclear weapons. You can't go to the Saudis or the Kuwaitis or UAE and others who have a legitimate concern about Iran and say: Well, don't acquire these weapons to defend yourself unless you're also willing to say we will provide a deterrent backup and we will let the Iranians know that, yes, an attack on Israel would trigger massive retaliation, but so would an attack on those countries that are willing to go under this security umbrella and forswear their own nuclear ambitions.

And finally we cannot permit Iran to become a nuclear weapons power. And this administration has failed in our efforts to convince the rest of the world that that is a danger, not only to us and not just to Israel but to the region and beyond.

Therefore we have got to have this process that reaches out, beyond even who we would put under the security umbrella, to get the rest of the world on our side to try to impose the kind of sanctions and diplomatic efforts that might prevent this from occurring.

Watch this - 2 minutes into the video is when they begin discussing it
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fCd-LsG9820&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yMA-_RP1Z_Q&feature=related

Hell, Pat Buchanan picks up on it and the insanity of it (or the unconstitutionality of it).

[babylonsister]

6. No, but I will be in 1/2 hour. Sounds good. nt

[Exilednight]

7. I live in NYC and the only thing on here is the Pope at ground zero. It's bad enough he ties up....

traffic all day and I can't get anywhere, but now he's taking up my TV.

[ScarletSniper]

13. lol ouch..I send my sympathy..

[Exilednight]

14. That's it. I've had enough. I'm moving next door to the Clintons. After Hillary loses this.......

primary it will be nice quiet neighborhood as they disappear into obscurity.

[DangerousRhythm]

34. Ugh.

If you can't catch the show later, it's always available to download free on iTunes, in case you didn't already know!

[SoFlaJet]

15. I have to say

I like this guy much better than Mark Penn-who was a slimeball

[a kennedy]

16. Love that Press the Meat....

:thumbsup:

[SoFlaJet]

17. OMG on second thought this Geoff Garin

really isn't a very good spokesman...Tim pressing him on Iran-will she send our troops if Iran attacked the Saudis, or Jordan....answer? stuttering and no answer-Iran the biggest threat? Sounds a lot like McCain to me-sounds like more fucking war is top priority

[Emit]

56. He's a weak spokesman

and it shows

[SoFlaJet]

18. Best thing said was the last statement by Garin

on which Axelrod agreed-DEMOCRATIC UNITY IN NOVEMBER!!!!!! UNITY people...we are democrats all

[Tatiana]

19. Poor Geoff, he really is pretty bad. I almost feel sorry for him.

Getting his feet wet on Meet the Press was probably not a good move.

Especially going up against someone like Axelrod.

[Tatiana]

20. "Did you not put on a 100% negative ad against Senator Obama in Philadelphia?"

"No we did not."

"Yes, you did. Go back and check with your people."

:rofl:

[K Gardner]

21. Just flipped the TV on to see this.. ouchie. Garin doesn't sound like a believer in his candidate.

[Tatiana]

24. He really does sound like he is laboring to support Clinton.

His answers are pretty tortured.

[jefferson_dem]

22. Halperin's take on this sit-down -

Meet the Press: Obama’s Axelrod and Clinton’s Garin debated almost every current political issue with respectful intensity. Axelrod skillfully took a question about the apparent gap between Obama’s rhetoric on running a positive campaign and his campaign’s negative tactics and put Garin on the defensive on NAFTA. Garin then got enmeshed in a series of weak moments involving Clinton’s honesty and Mark Penn. Garin on several occasions begged off answering questions, citing his newness to the campaign and/or his unfamilarity with the details of her policy positions.

http://thepage.time.com/

[SoFlaJet]

25. reminde me a lot

of the Bush administration-with the "I'm not responsible, it's the guy who was here's fault" answers

[Ice-9]

59. Halperin's take is spot-on (see also #58) n/t

[City Lights]

23. Like others have said, it's not on here yet.

I love that these shows air at different times though. The summations other DUers provide help me decide whether it's worth my time to watch. Thanks, I'll definitely be tuning in! :-)

[SoFlaJet]

27. one thing is for sure

ABC's This Week with Stephanie will NOT be watched...David Brooks is shameless and pretty much despicable on this show

[Tatiana]

30. I'm hoping someone will be brave and provide us with a recap.

I, too, am done with that show and Georgie.

[SoFlaJet]

37. and I ripped off an E-mail a little while ago Tatiana

telling them that This Week with Georgie has come and gone and that I did NOT watch like I said I wouldn't and will not watch again EVER

[City Lights]

38. I can't speak for others, but nothing could make me watch This Wanker,

with George Snuffleupyerass.

[Tatiana]

26. This is a good discussion. If only these issues were covered in the last debate with the candidates.

They are talking about things that matter to the voters and the American people.

Changing Washington, special interests, health care, Iran, the economy, NAFTA...

[SoFlaJet]

28. yea an actual debate

go figure

[Tatiana]

29. "The problem is that Senator Clinton speaks her MINDS."

"She usually has two positions on these issues."

:rofl:

Ouch!

[DangerousRhythm]

33. That was a great line, ahaha.

I love these two duking it out. Ooh, the Move On audio clip now...

[aaronbees]

35. Love that line

Garin really seems in over his head here. But at least it's a civil, intense discussion. Nice to see.

[rainbow4321]

42. That and the "THAT is what your negative ad was about" and "go check with your people"

Clinton guy acts clueless about negative ad and then quotes it verbatim a minute later. Obama rep calls him on it.

[aaronbees]

45. Axelrod is really tough

And thinks quickly on his feet.

Looks like Obama had the beer drinkers' vote ... need to improve the bowlers' vote. :D

[ecstatic]

31. Just tuning in. Good stuff :)

Wait I take that back. Now Russert is bringing up the patriotic crap :puke:

[DangerousRhythm]

32. Haha, I call it that too...

And I am. Obama's campaign guy just made me laugh out loud when he was asking Clinton's guy about Mark Penn... why did he have to leave if it wasn't a bad thing? His expression as Clinton Guy explained and stammered through his reasons just cracked me up. Great stuff.

[Tatiana]

36. This proves that you can sit two people with opposing interests and positions in the same room

and have a substantive, passionate, intense, yet RESPECTFUL and informative discussion on the issues people care about.

Charlie and Georgie should be ashamed of themselves when Timmeh the Consummate Washington Elitist proves to be a better journalist and moderator than either of them.

[MH1]

49. Charlie and Georgie set the bar so low

Timmeh said "hey, it looks like I can jump over that one!"

after all they had to dig a friggin' TRENCH before they could even put the bar that low...

[Tatiana]

52. That's exactly what happened!

The shameful conduct by Gibson and Stephanopoulos is going to have some ramifications in the media, which could turn out to be a good thing.

Normally, I rarely watch MTP unless I have a good idea of what Timmeh I will get. There's Gotcha!Timmeh and then there's Puff!Timmeh, who lobs softballs at conservative guests like Condi Rice. But neither showed up today. It was almost as if he said to himself, "If I just do a decent job sticking to the important issues as moderator, I'm going to look way better than that those ABC clowns."

[rainbow4321]

39. "I've only been here for 2 weeks, that comment was made before..."

Nice disclaimer. Sorry, guy, you get the whole fucking package not just 2 weeks worth.


He kind of reminds me of Elmer Fudd minus the hunting hat.

[Debi]

44. No kidding - what the heck?

Her opinion has changed now that her campaign has a new talking head on the tee vee :crazy:

[Tatiana]

40. Brooks' phony hand-wringing is tiresome.

He thinks Obama should give a speech on "class" now, given Bittergate. Oh, and he says Obama should re-give the speech on religion that he gave a few years ago.

Brooks demands more Obama speeches!

[jazzjunkysue]

41. Garin (New Clinton guy) stammers and is hard to follow. Tit for tat.

Basically, he's all about more bottom feeding. More 7th grade miniscule petty irrevelencies. "Obama's people are nasty."

Obama's guy is easy to follow and somes off quite sympathetic. But this is al preaching to the choir. Most voters can't translate this to Obama or Clinton, or their own vote. So I doubt if this will have much impact either way.

Clinton's guy says wait until June 3rd as usual.

Oh, god, it's not over.

[jazzjunkysue]

43. Obama's guy just landed a good point about Clinton's honesty.

He got her saying Obama's health care will "leave lots of people out in the cold." That dishonesty shows up in the polls where people say she's untrustworthy.

Landed a good one and Clinton's man had no return fire.

He's really weak. This is more evidence that the HRC campaign is broke and broken and coming unhinged. She's lost her strong supporters. If this is her best showing before PA, she's in real trouble.

Obama's guy is landing another good point about Clinton garnishing wages for healthcare fees. Clinton's guy is pathetic.

The people in clinton's hotel room are all hiding their heads in shame at this point, if they're even still in the room watching.

It's a little too early on sunday to go out and get sloshed. Not going to be a happy day in the clinton compound. Expect a little defensiveness today if clinton does any public speaking. She is now bruised.

[Debi]

46. He argued that Clinton never said she'd garnish people's wages to cover insurance costs

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200802/NAT20080204b.html

Uh, yeah she did :eyes:

Has this guy not been watching the campaign at all?

[rainbow4321]

63. So would have been a good time to add...

that HRC talks about everyone paying for healthcare premiums yet didn't pay Blue Cross/Shield and Aetna for her OWN PEOPLE'S health care for months acording the last FEC report. Guess SHE is the one who needs her wages garnished!!

[MH1]

51. It's great that Axelrod had the chance to talk substance

and he seemed to have his facts in order.

[City Lights]

47. Watching now...Geoff Garin..needed the face to regocnize him. nt

[powergirl]

48. Poor Geoff - Why didn't they send Wolfson??

Why would the boss, presumably Sen. Clinton, send Geoff out there to twist in the wind. They couldn't sent Wolfson - but then they might ask him about his and Penn's swearing match. I'm glad Axelrod is on the Obama team. He is fully committed to this race and his heart is in it.

[jazzjunkysue]

50. Axelrod is also very good: Not fancy or sexy-Just solid and real.

Easy to follow and says things plainly. No washington dc insider jargon. He's solid without being emotional or defensive.

The talent has obviously voted and they've signed up with Obama.

[Tatiana]

54. That's a good description of Axelrod: solid.

He's not flashy, he doesn't feel the need to be important, he doesn't place his own interests above the candidate he works for. He communicates and connects with everyday people, but he is equally at ease facing off against the DC elitists.

Most of the upper campaign management/strategist staff is of a similar vein. Plouffe is very low-key, but that masks a brilliant mind and fierce determination.

[City Lights]

55. Twist in the wind is right.

He clearly was not prepared. I couldn't believe his MoveOn answer. Someone at Camp Clinton had to know it would come up.

:thumbsup: to Axelrod. He was great as usual.

[Ice-9]

58. Axelrod washed his clock

I felt bad for Garin, though, because he's the new guy. A lot of the exchanges that Garin fumbled (e.g., the exchange about health care cost controls) were clearly about things that Garin just wasn't up to speed on yet. I think he would have done a better job had he been in that role longer and more familiar with the campaign. There were a couple of questions that he basically answered by saying, "Look, I've only been on this campaign for two weeks and am still figuring that out."

But the exchange about Mark Penn was pretty funny.

[Emit]

60. I think Axelrod felt bad for him too

He mentioned early on in the discussion that Garin was a good friend and a good guy, and, it kind of seemed Axelrod was holding back a bit, at first anyway. But, clearly, as you point out, Garin is in a tough spot and not up to speed. Must be a difficult thing. Made him look like his heart wasn't in it.

[RamboLiberal]

61. It is repeated later in the day on MSNBC

6PM and 2AM EDT! That's how I watch it.

[Garbo 2004]

62. Today's MTP video ("netcast") available on MSNBC.com

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

[ErinBerin84]

64. I was pissed off that

Tim tried to perpetuate the "he clasped his hands during the pledge of the allegiance" myth when it was the national anthem, and was disappointed that David Axelrod didn't catch it. Tim Russert is a friend to no Democrat, whenever he is on MSNBC lately, he completely distorts the answers that Clinton and Obama have given him in previous debates that he moderated.