More division from supporters of the unity candidate. Don't support O? Get lambasted, threatened

[jackson_dem]

The person who posted this is a fine person and a good Democrat. She and her husband should not be threatened or harassed by a non-cult that demands 100% obedience to the Leader. These are the same type of people who give death threats to Obama critics.

-snip-

Yesterday at an event for local candidates. It was not a "Democratic" event but a private candidate event for Democratic candidates I was publicly lambasted by an Obama supporter and had my husband's candidacy threatened because I would not support Obama. I was called a "liar" and told I was not a Democrat.Apparently, I have no right to disagree on a primary candidate.I have no right to say it would be difficult to vote for Obama. I am , according to her, publicly, not "welcome"as a Democrat! I am so angry and depressed I can't see straight. BTW, she , just weeks ago supported Hillary and gives no reason for the switch. She also stood up and took it upon herself to speak for all Democrats and condemn ABC. I said there was nothing to condemn. She attempted to declare an all out war on me!
What is disgusting is shortly before the full fledged "attack" she was preaching"'feminism" and jumping anyone who attacked a woman and then on a dime switched to attack mode on Hillary. This is the type of support Barack has and they are indeed dangerous!

I know it is really stupid, but this makes me want to cry and I am very concerned about my husband. I shouldn't have to worry about his campaign because of who I prefer in a primary. I feel I was "brown shirted and attacked" and I had made a real effort to be nice.

[Warren Stupidity]

1. gee sounds just like GDP.

Another few weeks of the Kitchen Sink Campaign and we will all be at each other's throats in the real world.

By the way, you forgot to provide a link to your fabulous tale.

[otohara]

2. At City Convention, We All Got Along

isolated incidents don't include all supporters.

[LoZoccolo]

3. Link? n/t

[jackson_dem]

4. The poster is a DUer. I didn't include her name so Obama's "very devoted" followers don't savage her

[LoZoccolo]

6. It wasn't Bouncy Ball, was it? n/t

[jackson_dem]

8. Who cares who it is. This is just the latest example of the non-cults tactics

These are the same people who give death threats to Obama critics or a reporter who reported on something the Leader saud.

[LoZoccolo]

9. I care who it is because you've taken it completely out of context. n/t

[jackson_dem]

11. It wasn't Bouncy Balls. Context? I posted everything she said

The only change I made was correcting two typos.

[rodeodance]

27. context suddendly matters?

[LoZoccolo]

34. It always does. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

43. Who cares?

If it is not verifiable, it is nothing more than rumor. Gossip. Slander. Take your pick.

[sniffa]

26. ....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[tammywammy]

60. ...

:rofl:

[sniffa]

65. heh heh

:hi:

[tammywammy]

82. Perfect opportunity for that pic

:)

[Warren Stupidity]

7. I call bullshit.

That is total crap.

[IsItJustMe]

13. Come on Jackson. You know damn well not all supporters are insane, on either side. Could it be

possible that this attacker wasn't right to begin with. We can't take personal traits of one person and project them onto everybody.

You know better.

[jackson_dem]

17. Yes and most Obamites aren't but he is attracting an unusual number of such nuts

Name another presidential candidate (either from this cycle or the past) whose followers give death threats to Obama critics...

[Zachstar]

46. And Clinton is attracting people that hack sites...

[RaleighNCDUer]

47. Where's the death threat?

Certainly not in what you posted.

[jackson_dem]

57. Ask Tavis Smiley and Mayhill Fowler. These are the only two we know about...

I am sure Charlie Gibson has gotten his share in recent days.

[RaleighNCDUer]

76. I'm not personally aquainted with them.

If you make an assertion, please provide the fucking link.

[jackson_dem]

81. Try Google. I don't bookmark every article. It was posted here several times

You never saw the threads on Smiley and Fowler? Convenient but typical (the more likely thing is Obamites erase such things from memory)...

[sniffa]

74. Here's a copy of one of the death threats

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5519358#5519539

[RaleighNCDUer]

123. LOL.

Ok, I read through the thread and am now up to date on what this is --

Faux outrage about unsupported allegations.

About what I expected.

[IsItJustMe]

55. I look at it like this. This primary season has been long and and very negative. I would say

Hillary is to blame for that. I know you, as a Hillary supported, would totally disagree with me on that point. We could go round and round on that one and never come to agreement. So be it.

In this process, people have become very attached to their candidates. This negativity is bound to transfer out to the supporters. It can't be helped. It's a part of what it means to be a living, breathing human being.

There is nothing in Obama's personality, that I can see, that would promote this type of behavior. He is not a violent person. He does not have radical speeches. He does not promote unorthodox methods to use against his opponent. Nothing.

Hears what I suggest. There is nothing here that is personal. This is a direct result of a process that, in my opinion, has gone on too long and that has become to negative.

[cbayer]

127. Well said, but.....

This is our site and we are allowing it to devolve into a hateful place where some are made to feel very unwelcome. As a supporter of both candidates, there is virtually nowhere I can find on the net that is welcoming. It appears to me that all sites that have not taken a position for one candidate or the other have developed into places where you either support Obama completely or you are barraged with hate.

Although Obama does not actively promote this type of behavior, he has done little to address it either. I suspect his campaign feels that it benefits him in some way. It allows the campaign to be very, very negative while he can personally hold himself above the fray. However, if he loses either the nomination or the election, I will hold some of his supporters partly responsible. I would predict that others will too. If you attract a group that is this narrow minded and hostile, that reflects on you.

There are Clinton supporters who are equally objectionable but they have been bullied out of here and now occupy sites devoted solely to their candidate. You see little of them around here anymore.

I see very few reasonable Obama supporters responding to the hate being promoted by some of the less reasonable ones. When they do, they are often shouted down by the mob and accused of not really being an Obama supporter. I witnessed it today, right here.

[zalinda]

137. Why is Hillary to blame?

This is what I don't understand about Obama supporters, they act like this nomination is supposed to be his, and damn anyone who stands in his way. As an Edwards supporter I felt that negativity from the Obama supporters right after Iowa, there was even a few who went into the Edwards forum to post. Don't tell me it's all Clinton's fault, she has just as much right to be in the race as Obama has. Until he gets the magic number, she can do what the hell she wants.

I can't stand this, I don't like Clinton, but I would have defended Obama if the shoe was on the other foot. His supporters don't seem to understand that this is not an either or situation. If you don't support Obama, you don't automatically support Clinton. There are many of us who don't like either one. The only reason that I don't dislike Clinton as much as Obama is because his supporters have been nicer to the Edwards supporters. The Obama supporters have been saying "fuck you" and btw, if you don't vote for our guy, you are a racist, stupid or a repub, and some have managed to get all three in there.

No one in the Obama supporter group thinks that Obama does ANYTHING wrong. It's always someone else's fault, they love to blame Clinton. And now you are setting up the meme, that if Obama loses the GE it's Clinton's fault. Give me a break!

zalinda

[RaleighNCDUer]

162. May I address a few points?

The magic number - No, he has not reached it, but barring an Obama-supporter specific virus emerging in the next few weeks there is no possibility that he won't reach it. Similarly, there's not a bookmaker in the country that will give odds on Hillary getting there. It is a 98% improbablility that she can pull this out. Therefore, the longer she stretches this out, attacking Obama and letting McCain run unopposed, the greater the chance of McCain winning.

Either/Or - Yes, the realists in the party recognize that it IS either Obama or Clinton. It is curious that the 'unaligned' within the party always come down on the Clinton side. When it is a two-person race, there is no place for a 'third way'. It is, in fact, astonishing how many claim to be Edwards supporters, now that Edwards is now out of the running. And in case you haven't noticed, there have been many here who were stupid racist republicans, masquerading as Democrats - it is not probable that ALL of them have gotten themselves TS'd yet.

Those of us who have watched the DLC with trepidation for years recognize how they sabatoged Gore in '00, and Dean and Kerry in '04. It was the DLC that set up the FL/MI fiasco in an effort to undermine Dean heading the DNC. That makes us look at how the DLC candidate continues to fight long after rational prospects for success have ended, and wonder it it isn't setting up for '12. Hillary will have to fight twice as hard FOR Obama after losing the nomination than she fought AGAINST Obama before losing, to convice me she isn't trying to throw the election to McCain.

[zalinda]

164. No, it isn't that we've come down on the side of Clinton

maybe it's that we just really don't like Obama more. And, you have to admit, the Clinton bashing has been brutal. If anyone came close to calling Obama any of the names that Clinton has been called, we'd be TS'd. I think you don't understand. For those of us who defend Clinton, it has nothing to do with supporting her, but has everything to do with Obama supporters ganging up on her. Maybe I don't have the mindset of survival of the fittest, but that every person counts. Being poor in this world does that to you, you stick up for the underdog, because that's who you are and live with. I see Obama supporters as a bunch of bullies. There has been nothing uplifting about his campaign unless you support him. And, the truth is, he will do nothing for me. He will do nothing for 75% of the people in this country. For us, it doesn't matter who gets in the White House, because we are screwed no matter what. And, what's worse is that he doesn't even pretend to care. No one brought up the subject of poverty until the rich white dude, you know, Edwards brought it up, and still does, to this day.

No, Obama supporters have been blind to the harassment that has gone on for months against non-Obama supporters. You guys think that it's quite all right to strut around and make fun of people, because you're with the popular guy. And, guess what, it's not all right. Demeaning someone doesn't make them like you, or want to be with you, it just makes them shut their mouth and hope for your demise.

zalinda

[RaleighNCDUer]

170. Well, I've been demeaning the DLC since long before Obama

came onto the national scene. The DLC needs to be demeaned as often and vigorously as possible. They are a fifth column in the Democratic party that has been working against progressive principles for 25 years. Know what? I don't WANT to be liked by the DLC. I very happily invite them to take their "third way" and get the hell out of my party.

It's been my pleasure to vote for Edwards both for the Senate and the (vice)presidency. I was iffy about him at first, because of his early DLC ties, but he has severed those ties - and he & Kerry lost in '04 because of their rejection of the DLC.

I, frankly, have not seen the 'harrassment' you speak of. Most of the real bitterness I've seen has come from the Clinton supporters - they are the ones that despise the 'leftists' and 'progressives' on a progressive left board. Any time anyone takes issue with their contentions they are accused of sexism, or being republicans (like there are so many leftist republicans out there).

Does Hillary get "ganged up" on? Or is it really just that there are a lot of real progressives who all dislike her and her DLC corporatist undermining of their party? If each of 20 people are speaking out equally, and 5 have one position and 15 have another, are the 15 ganging up on the 5? Should ten of the 15 not speak, just to keep things even?

[NorthCarolina]

157. Maybe some folks are scared to death of a GOP or a DLC (same thing) Whitehouse

and it causes them to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. Has anyone checked the validity of this story out, it may simply be another "Obama flips the bird" exaggeration. If it's TRUE, then it is of course wrong, but even then I fail to see how that should reflect on Obama unless HE HIMSELF was the aggressor.

[Zachstar]

45. If she posted it on DU then why hide it?

[Mags]

5. sounds like a bunch of thugs. Beat you down until you concede.

[DerekJ]

10. Out of scandals, now resorting to manufacturing bullshit.

:rofl:

[EV_Ares]

14. LOL, my god they are getting pathetic now at the end, eom.

[maximusveritas]

12. If you won't support the Democratic candidate in the GE, you deserve to be lambasted

This "fine person" sounds like a Hilllary cultist to me. Not only won't she support the Democratic nominee. She sees nothing wrong with what ABC did. So even based on her story, she sounds in the wrong. The truth is probably even worse.

[jackson_dem]

15. Hillary cultist? She supported Edwards

So Michelle Obama deserves to be lambasted because she would "have to think" about voting Democratic if "the answer" loses?

[maximusveritas]

23. I was being generous; I guess she just has this irrational hatred of Obama

for some other reason then.

My main point stands: if you can't vote for the Democratic nominee, you shouldn't be allowed to run as a candidate in the Democratic Party. That goes for the likes of Lieberman and it goes for local candidates like this person as well.

[jackson_dem]

25. She isn't a candidate. Her husband is.

[Mags]

62. who appointed you to make the rules of an American Voter?

who appointed you to say who people should vote for and who the Democratic Party should allow in the party? Pretty arrogant aren't you?

[Garbo 2004]

80. That is not what Michelle Obama said. At least be honest.

She said, when asked, that she would have to think about working for Clinton if she were the nominee. Like going out on the stump, campaigning for Clinton. She did not at all say that she would have to think about "voting Democratic" as you allege.

[EV_Ares]

21. Have you seen where 28% of Hillary supporters will support McCain

if Hillary does not get the nomination. What is there about this 28%? That is the % that still supports Bush.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx

[jackson_dem]

24. That 28% is not the same as the 28% that support Bush

[EV_Ares]

38. No, I realize that it is just ironic the same #, 28%, that is willing to support McCain, eom.

[Arkansas Granny]

29. I think you have missed a couple of points in the OP.

1. We do not have a Democratic nominee yet.

2. While the person said she would find it hard to vote for Obama, she did not say that she wouldn't.

3. I would have preferred that ABC focused more on real issues, but the woman in the story is entitled to her opinion about the debate, just as you are.

[sniffa]

No but that person does think that Obama is evil

and yes, she has claimed before that she'll never vote for him.

Of course, I'm speaking of the nameless person that the OP is quoting here.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to break up another book club with some Code Pink antics.

[Arkansas Granny]

42. Since I don't know which person the OP is referring to, I'm not aware of her

previous statements. I was basing my reply on the information in the OP.

[grantcart]

16. I regularly seek out Clinton supporters and say nice things about decent threads

I don't doubt the facts as you stated.

The person that is responsible for this is Hillary Clinton. Her campaign has acknowledged that their goal now is simply to get to the convention and be behind no more than 100 pledged delegates. They are not going to reach this modest goal.

The followers of Obama having won the pledged delegate count must now wait as this tawdry affairs runs out the last few minutes.

It is unfortunate that the last few primaries are so spread out but that is the schedule that we have.

Clinton is pouring kerosene on the flames in hopes of a fire.

She wants to overturn the will of the pledged delegates.

She is willing to promote McCain and tear down Obama.

She is willing to use the tactics of 'guilt by association'.

Obama has responded in a gentlemanly manner.

The bitterness that is in the Democratic Party has but a single source.

[zalinda]

144. And, it's all Clinton's fault, link please.......... n/t

[grantcart]

163. Why would I need a link for a personal opinion?

[BlueIdaho]

18. First things first

This should NEVER happen.

But you are talking about one person who had an unfortunate run in with one other person. Now you and she are trying to spin this into some overly grand generalization about how ALL Obama supporters treat all Clinton supporters. A similarly "reaching" post can be made, I'm sure, about how a Clinton supporter has teated an Obama supporter. This is not evidence of anything it is an unfortunate anecdote.

Sorry, not shocking - but Nice try.

[jackson_dem]

19. Name another prez candidate whose "devoted followers" give death threats for criticizing the Leader.

[BlueIdaho]

Uh...

Hillary Clinton?

[jackson_dem]

33. When was this?

[BlueIdaho]

39. You cite your sources I'll cite mine

[Zachstar]

50. Bingo!

[jackson_dem]

56. Tavis Smiley, Mayhill Fowler

[BlueIdaho]

71. So...

The woman you're referring to in your initial post is either a radio personality or a Blogger?

Try Again - Cite your source and I'll cite mine.

[jackson_dem]

78. She is a poster. As to Obamites giving death threats, it is known they did at least to those two

There is no reported case of supporters of any other candidate doing the same to critics of that candidate.

[BlueIdaho]

95. Simply not true

And I'm not interested in your red herrings.

[jackson_dem]

103. Tavis Smiley lied? You "know" he has never received death threats?

That is news to him. :crazy:

[BlueIdaho]

109. No

Your premise that NO CLinton supporters have ever threatened an Obama supporter is not true. your need to suddenly bring in a new cast of characters is a red herring.

[jackson_dem]

120. Name one reported instance of supporters of any other candidate who give death threats

Merely because someone criticized the non-cult's Leader. Forget Clinton. Name supporters of any candidate and go back as far as 1796 if needed.

[Milo_Bloom]

135. JOHN KERRY!

I didn't have to back further than 2004.

[BlueIdaho]

161. Ok.

From the Texans for Obama Blog

"Just in case you're not convinced that the Clinton campaign is going negative, let me share a personal story.
I'm just a volunteer trying to make my voice heard. I've been inspired by Obama, and it feels good to finally vote FOR a candidate. I've done nothing to try to thwart the Clinton campaign, and some of my best friends are working as field organizers for Clinton here in Texas. These field folks are talented, and Clinton is lucky to have them on their side.

However, some folks within the Clinton machine have decided to attack me personally. I've received numerous anonymous phone calls lately that have threatened me directly. It's disgusting, scary, and it needs to stop.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why the Clinton machine can't run an honest and positive campaign. The Clintons have done lots of good work over the years, and they should run on their record of accomplishments. There's no need to go negative and threaten the volunteers of the opposing campaign. It's pathetic, and it reeks of desperation.

>>>snip<<<

I've been threatened personally on multiple occasions, and it's been quite unpleasant. At first, I just assumed it was overzealous Clinton supporters who found my phone number. But it's now become a pattern, so it makes you wonder."

Happy Now?

[Milo_Bloom]

97. John Kerry's supporters did the same thing, so get real.

[Zachstar]

49. Clinton

[Zachstar]

51. Paul

[Zachstar]

52. McCain

[RaleighNCDUer]

53. Where was the death threat?

I did not see any in what you posted.

[JVS]

70. LaRouche!

HE WAS MY FIRST CHOICE!!!! :grr:

[Milo_Bloom]

90. Clinton, McCain, Bush, Kerry, Dean, Gore...

... in short, EVERYONE WHO HAS EVER RUN.


People have this crazy idea that politics is going to have an effect on their lives, so they take it really personally and when they feel a candidate harmful to them is going to be elected some of the less stable supporters lash out.

[Bensthename]

20. Hillary slogan = Obama doesnt act like a GOP candidate so elect me.

Ohh... She is hilarious..

[jackson_dem]

22. Oh. He just coincidentally used the RW playbook on the Clintons being liars for a year

[Bensthename]

30. If some one is a liar that is not a RW or LW issue.. That is a personal issue.

If she lies and gets called on it, that is not a RW tactic.

[jackson_dem]

32. She is at least as honest as St. Obama. He used that because she was vulnerable on that due to theRW

[Bensthename]

40. Hmm. If you say so..

Good passion though for your candidate. I cant wait for this to all be over so we can fight together.. :pals:

[jackson_dem]

59. Thanks

[RaleighNCDUer]

54. He used that because she is vulnerable on it

BECAUSE SHE LIES.

And he actually has NOT used it himself - though many of his supporters have called her on it.

[tammywammy]

63. If Hillary didn't lie then it wouldn't be used against her

It has nothing to do with RW or LW, it has to do with the fact that Hillary lies.

[yourguide]

28. You know what, post some FACTS or get lost.

[jackson_dem]

31. Thanks for proving my point

[yourguide]

35. I proved your point by asking you to provide some FACTS?

Like candidate, like supporter...neither certain what facts are.

[EV_Ares]

41. He didn't prove anything, only asked you for some facts? Nothing wrong with that, eom.

[jackson_dem]

58. He said "get lost". No one who refuses to bow down to the Leader is welcome according to the non-cul

[yourguide]

66. First off I am a she. Second, I asked you to either provide some FACTS

or get lost. Otherwise I will assume you are a typical HilLIARy supporter blowing hot air.

[jackson_dem]

68. The OP has all the facts about this situation

Do you mean facts about the non-cult's behavior, such as giving death threats to Tavis Smiley and Mayhill Fowler? It is funny how Obamites always forget any information that causes cognitive dissonance.

[yourguide]

75. Where is the OP then? We want the facts.

And if you want to talk about "forgets" let's talk about that sniper fire.

[jackson_dem]

79. The OP is a copy and paste of what she said

I haven't forgotten the sniper fire comment. Obamites have forgotten all of St. Obama's lies...

[yourguide]

84. So where is the OP to answer questions, as opposed

to your two bit dictation?

And the Hillbots have forgotten 30 plus years of HRC lies. You guys have skeletons, lies, & deceit going back to the roman era.

[jackson_dem]

86. Probably too worried about her husband to be posting on an internet site right now

[yourguide]

87. Right so that's why she wrote to YOU

and had you post it? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :sarcasm:

[jackson_dem]

92. She posted it on another site and then apparently left after venting

[yourguide]

100. What site?

You are either a liar or a HilLIARy...I just googled multiple passages from your post and guess what? The ONLY google hits that came up lead back to THIS thread.

[jackson_dem]

101. A Clinton supporter's website that Obamites are barred from

This thread has gotten several recs because some people read it over there.

[yourguide]

107. Considering it cant be found in google

And this should be EASY to find in google: "brown shirted and attacked" amoungst many other passages, yes again google just turns up YOUR post. I am going with you are a giant hilLIARy.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[sniffa]

110. It's from the site

that rhymes with "Tap it all Bill."

[yourguide]

113. you mean throw it all to hell Hill?

seriously, have zero idea what you are talking about. none.

[sniffa]

116. There's some capital to that

:o

[yourguide]

134. Ah THIS place

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5234653

[sniffa]

140. Yep, that one

[jackson_dem]

149. That is why Obamites are not allowed. That was a lame smear. It was a Google ad

[yourguide]

154. Sorry, that is funny. Not sure how it's a smear when it's fact.

[jackson_dem]

115. Many here have read it on Capital Hill

I also posted this there. It does not show up on Google. Did I not post this? :rofl:


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So what happens on Tuesday? Well, let's take a look at the undecided vote. Going inside the poll's demographics, one finds the highest undec. totals in the more rural parts of the state; that's not good news for Obama. In the so-called "T" region of the state (i.e., almost everything between Philly and Pittsburgh), Clinton leads 51-37 with 11% undecided; this is one of the few demographic groups sporting double-digit undecided.

Two other interesting cross-tabs with high undecideds also indicate the potential that undecided vote will break for Clinton. Among bowlers (24% of the electorate) and gun owners (38% of the electorate), Clinton leads big. She's up 54-33 among bowlers and 53-28 among gun owners; There were 13% undec. among bowlers and 17% undec among gun owners.

So while the poll shows Clinton with a narrow lead (and arguably a narrowing lead), the clues inside the numbers indicate this is her race to lose and that her lead could expand. Should this race end up as close as this poll indicates (i.e. 5 points or less), then this means many of these undec. potential Clinton voters decided to stay home; If the come to the polls, she could see her lead climb to over 5 points.

And that's the game Tuesday, not if Clinton will win, but how big will her victory be. She'd like to net more than 200K in the popular vote which she would only get with both a large turnout (approx. 2 million total) and a 10 point victory.

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[jackson_dem]

131. What is the point? You won't be able to see the thread

Due to the non-cult infiltrating the site it has been set up to not allow non-members to view it.

[yourguide]

136. Oh jeez, I can just SIGN UP!

[jackson_dem]

141. And your application would be rejected. Again what is the point then?

You can thank Obamite trolls from here for the implementation of this policy.

[yourguide]

142. How do you know?

They dont have my email address, or my name, or anything else. what are you smoking?

[jackson_dem]

146. Because I post there and I know the admin's policy. No Obamites allowed

They do know you since you post here. The people there also post here.

[yourguide]

148. Hmmmmm

do you think I would use my DU user name there? really?

[jackson_dem]

150. You wouldn't be accepted using a fake name

[yourguide]

153. ok dude...whatever.

I dont care enough to sign up. So in the interim I will assume you are fibbing.

[Milo_Bloom]

158. Don't you know, they have an Obamometer

and can tell when someone who is signing up really supports Obama, it is kinda like Gaydar only much more powerful!

[yourguide]

159. Hahahahaha. I dont even care. the whole thing is stupid.

[tammywammy]

129. So, you chose to post something here, that you can't link to

and if you're not a member couldn't read anyways. :eyes:

[jackson_dem]

132. Who cares? This goes to a much larger point about Obamanation

[tammywammy]

139. Because I prefer to read from the source

How do I know this is the exact copy of what she posted?

[yourguide]

155. No, it doesnt. I havent threatened anyone for not supporting him

neither have any of my friends, who are all supporting him. stop being drama.

[EV_Ares]

108. That is rather convenient isn't it. I don't know but for one thing if Tavis Smiley got

death threats, don't you think there would have been enough media talking about it including Tavis for most of us to have heard it. This is the first I have heard of this alleged incident and I pretty much stay on top of news events.

[jackson_dem]

118. I guess you were not "present" each time it has been discussed on DU and missed it on CNN

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4728395

[EV_Ares]

126. Right I did miss it, thanks but just reading that, how do you know that was even

Obama supporters unless there is more information. If it was, I agree & hope they get caught and dealt with. I bet Obama does as well, not his kind of tactics or politics. However, I take it you stay up pretty much on politics and know the game, this very much could have been anyone and not necessarily anyone with the Obama campaign.

[jackson_dem]

138. Who else would give him death threats over criticizing Obama?

The same thing happened to Mayhill Fowler and Rep. Tubb-Jones has also spoken of harassment to the point some Clinton supporters have had to change their phone numbers several times. These are things that are endemic to Obama's supporters and the reason is he and the MSM have created a cult around him. Such behavior is an inevitable negative consequence of creating that cult.

[EV_Ares]

143. This is such bs, undocumented fact which is why you don't even hear hardly

anything about it other than yourself.

Not even worth a response or time, given where it is coming from. A lot more important things to discuss that wasting time with undocumented aliens.

[jackson_dem]

147. So you "know" Tavis Smiley is a liar? Rep. Tubb-Jones is a liar (bombarded with harassment)?

Just pretend these things have not happened. Just like a cult, ignore any contrary information.

[BlooInBloo]

98. I've been horrendously victimized! I refuse to give any evidence of this, but it's TRUE!

[jackson_dem]

106. She didn't videotape the event

:eyes:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. Somebody should inform her that politics is a dirty business at best.

Which is understandable because politicians are involved in it.

[CalGator]

37. sorry to hear about this

99+% of Obama supporters wouldn't shout down a loyal Dem candidate simply for supporting Hillary. This shouldn't reflect on anybody but the jacka** doing this. My former member of Congress (Loretta Sanchez), my former Senator (Bill Nelson), and current mayor (Villaraigosa) all support Hillary, but there is no way I could hold it against them in the voting booth.

[Straight Shooter]

111. Thanks.

You reflect well on your candidate. :hi:

[Zachstar]

44. There are bad ones in every camp. But this natural connection to pro-Clinton = pro ABC worrys me.

I have seen more than a few praise ABC for that sham of a debate and that worries me because that is encouragement to people on the right to fuck up debates in favor of McCain in the future.

BTW ask her to stop grouping all of us in with a few bad apples. For she is wrong for doing so and I request she apologize.

You want to call me dangerous?

[Vinca]

48. Some people are just assholes - whether they support Obama or

Hillary is secondary. A civilized person wouldn't do that to you. Don't blame Obama.

[jackson_dem]

61. I blame the creation of a cult surrounding Obama which leads to things like this

[Vinca]

69. That's not fair. Judging from remarks from some Hillary supporters here,

I imagine Hillary assholes are out on the street walking among us.

[jackson_dem]

73. of course but only Obama supporters are so zealous they even give death threats

[Vinca]

83. Are you absolutely sure? I've run into some pretty crazy Hillary people.

It's neverending crap like this that will get us John McCain in the White House. You must know that. To imply all Obama supporters are loons threatening you with death is stupid, insulting and false.

[jackson_dem]

88. There has been no reports of that

All are not loons but many are. Obama is the one attracting such fanatical devotion and the reason is his campaign and the MSM combined to create a cult around him.

There are also no reports of Obama supporters being forced to change their phone numbers multiple times because they support Obama. There are Clinton supporters who have had to do so, as Rep. Tubb-Jones pointed out, because of Obamite harassment.

[Vinca]

94. Okay, I give up. You guys are saints, we're demons. nt

[murielm99]

104. That is not what jackson dem said at all. n/t

[murielm99]

93. I agree with you.

When I first started witnessing this here at ground zero of obamanation (Illinois), I thought it was because the state party was trying to get as many early endorsements as possible of the favorite son. I found out quickly that loyal Democrats were not simply shouted down. They were ostracized and watched with suspicion for not swearing instant fealty to Obama.

Of course, not everyone is crazy. I have been to events here where the Obama and Clinton supporters sit next to each other and eat dinner, with no animosity at all. But that is how it should be. That is normal. I should never go to an event and expect to argue and defend myself. I have long since proven myself as a Democrat. If anyone on this board thinks otherwise, then too bad. They don't know me and what I do for Democrats.

Don't write this off to a few bad apples. Bush tried to do that and we didn't believe him.

I have seen this cultlike behavior developing since 2004. At first, I thought it was wonderful that Obama had so many loyal followers. I thought it was good for us.

It is not good for us, and it is not good for the country. If he does become President, he will need criticism from within his own party and from his supporters. It should be constructive criticism in most cases. But if everyone has to fear retaliation, we lose an important part of the decision making process. And it is not good for him, either. We are creating a monster.

We complain about bush, and how he is arrogant. We complain about how his administration has retaliated and politicized everything. They have co-opted even the few honest reporters left by threatening their access. Do we want our side doing the same things?

This is dangerous. Cults are dangerous. Politicians need to have supporters, not followers.

[jackson_dem]

105. Great post. Can you imagine any Dem leader standing up to him if he wins?

Knowing that doing so would incur death threats and harassment in general.

[EV_Ares]

119. Now you are saying Obama supporters are a cult! That is a way out there. First of all

I support Obama, from the beginning pretty much and will through this election I imagine. I do not see it as a cult. I will give you there are probably some over-zealous Obama supporters but I will also tell you that at least here on this board and I naturally notice it more coming from Clinton supporters always saying things and when you ask them to document it, give a link, point to where it happened or whatever, they refuse. That is a fact. I am not saying Obama supporters are perfect, have not done stuff or carried things too far but for you to act like Clinton supporters are different is way off base as well. Also, we are not in a cult.

Today, attempting to debate, argue whatever with a Clinton supporter, when they could not respond or deny facts or provide facts, they resorted to name calling, etc., nothing bad but certainly did not add to anything. That is fact. It occurs everywhere somewhere, the nature of politics.

[jackson_dem]

121. Only Obama supporters give death threats and that is because he/the MSM created a cult

[EV_Ares]

128. Yeah, right, that is pure crap, Only Hillary supporters put out that crap which is

why it is an unproven fact along with her other lies, dodging bullets in Bosnia for one.

[jackson_dem]

133. Tavis Smiley lied? You "know" he never got death threats from Obamites?

[sniffa]

64. Are you sure it wasn't Code Pink activists?

:shrug:

[earth mom]

67. This shit is happening on DU. It all reminds me of how freepers act about *.

Meanwhile Obama nuts swear their devotion to Obama isn't a cult. Yeah right, as if I'd believe that. :eyes:

[jackson_dem]

77. Have you ever heard of supporters of a politician giving death threats to critics of that pol?

You don't because no one else has run based on a cult of personality.

[Jamastiene]

72. Recommend #5. Off to the Greatest Page.

:kick:

[intaglio]

85. Oh like the site below

hillaryclintonforum.net

OOOOOPPPPPS sorry, that is a site Clinton supporters use to co-ordinate their attacks and say they will vote for McCain rather than a Democratic candidate

[jackson_dem]

89. That isn't where I got it from

[sniffa]

91. It's from another site

[dchill]

96. Ouch! Looks like you found out our secret.

Did you hear the one about staying out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat? Some people are "VERY comfortable in the kitchen" - especially if there's a sink in there - and there almost always is.

[varelse]

99. The OP looks like broad-brushing to me

This statement, in particular, is troublesome: "This is the type of support Barack has and they are indeed dangerous!"

The behaviour described in the OP is indeed objectionable, but to imply that it describes all or even most of the supporters of one candidate, that it is commonplace among them, or that it is limited to those supporters, is inaccurate and unfair.

[Milo_Bloom]

102. Happens in every presidential campaign with every candidate.

John Kerry's supporters did the same thing in 2004, so get over yourself.

[intaglio]

112. Jackson perhaps you'd like to answer some questions

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5592970

but I doubt it

[jackson_dem]

124. Many of my posts are about that issue

You conveniently never saw any of those posts?

[Two Americas]

174. I did

I made a thoughtful post there. Care to respond to my post on that thread?

[intaglio]

175. Thanks for that - tho' you didn't respond to what was asked

My response is going in now

[Two Americas]

177. very good

Thanks. I will watch for your response.

[Mags]

114. Obama is for change, and unity. Don't forget that. He can

work wonders, the heavens will open up and you will have a new mind set and you WILL VOTE FOR THE UNITER. George W was a uniter also.

[ClericJohnPreston]

117. The Kool-Aid crowd

of Obama, rivals Jim Jones group in every way.

From groupthink, to condemnation of anyone/anything outside the "faith", to the marginalization and clasped hands over ears as to anything which is contrary to their beliefs, they are a walking, talking proof of cultist thinking.

That they threaten, is all along the bizzare pathway their "Uniter" has brought them along, with his tacit approval. Anyone that could arouse such vile passions is no leader, unless you are speaking of a Fascist State. After 8 years of Bush, I've had enough thank you.

[jackson_dem]

130. CJP you have read this, right

Due to cognitive dissonance being caused by this Obamites are pretending it is a hoax and ignoring the fact Obamites have been known to harass journalists, commentators, and elected officials who oppose the messiah. We know of at least two people who have received several death threats from Obamites--a phenomenon limited only to Obama's supporters.

Good post, as usual, CJP. :thumbsup:

[ClericJohnPreston]

168. Keep up the good work

Jackson Dem! :thumbsup:

[Auntie Bush]

125. That woman is typical of Obie supporters on DU.

Say something non positive about Obama and the whole bias crown jumps on ya. There seems to be a certain type of person that supports obama.
Got flame suit on......................

[jackson_dem]

145. When a politician creates a cult it is inevitable that some of his followers will act like this

When he is the messiah, "the one", "the answer", the one man who can revive "hope", etc. he must be elected at any cost and that leads to such zealotry that people get harassed and in two known cases even get death threats.

[NorthCarolina]

151. Sounds like the same treatment us Kucinich supporters used to get

from ALL sides on boards like this.

[jackson_dem]

152. Did anyone give death threats to Kucinich supporters?

[NorthCarolina]

156. Can't answer that unequivocally, but it wouldn't surprise me n/t

[kwenu]

160. Why this thread is crap.

1. It's anonymous.
2. No citations to where and when. Unverifiable.
3. No discussion about what this person was doing at the time the "attack" was launched against her.
4. Paints a broad brush conclusion without providing 1,2 and 3.


Which leads to the question: Why is this crap posted? If I can't figure out the basics then the OP probably couldn't either. And, if the OP does know more specifics why were they left out?

Conclusion: OP has ulterior motives and is willing to post garbage that has no provable basis for the purpose of causing disruption and distasteful comments to be made.

:wtf:

[ClericJohnPreston]

169. You can't make this go away

by wishing it away. The OP didn't make this up and knowing the maniacal Obama crowd, he obviously has good reasons for keeping the writer anonymous.

I can handle these slavish fools...all of them. Then again, I have a strong stomach. I can respect that some people cannot handle these fools.

[kwenu]

171. I don't think I said anything about wishing it away. My intent is to point out how stupid it is.

It takes more than a strong stomach to handle fools. It takes intelligence as well.

[Warren Stupidity]

178. The OP admits that he conspires on another board

to bring crap over here to attack people he calls 'Obamites' for their nasty behavior. The OP has no sense of irony. One can only imagine the bitter despair over on 'that other board'. Perhaps they should all have another BIG PUBLIC UPSET here, perhaps another STRIKE? Perhaps they then could then return, re-energized, full of venom, and earn themselves another crop of cold slabs.

[WinkyDink]

165. "this makes me want to cry": There's your first problem. Why let yourself be bullied?

Speak up. Yell. Whatever.

[ecstatic]

166. Many people who can't stand HRC now were once loyal supporters

[shayes51]

167. I am sorry this happened to her.

It's no different than Republicans saying that Real Americans can't be Democrats. I am a proud Democrat and a proud supporter of Hillary Clinton.

[Danger Mouse]

172. prove it.

[Seabiscuit]

173. It's the pod people on parade.

And welcome to their hive.

[mystieus]

176. This happens on both sides, so stop with the finger pointing.