Obama: McCain would be better than Bush

[truthpusher]

?????????? I think somebody needs to learn how to stay on message!

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080420/POLITICS01/804200331

Obama: McCain would be better than Bush
Liz Sidoti / Associated Press
READING, Pa . -- Democrat Barack Obama, who often argues that John McCain is the same as President Bush, said Sunday that the Republican presidential candidate would be better for the country than Bush has been.

"You have a real choice in this election. Either Democrat would be better than John McCain," Obama said to cheers from a rowdy crowd in central Pennsylvania. Then he said: "And all three of us would be better than George Bush."

"But what you have to ask yourself is who has the chance to actually really change things in a fundamental way so that 10 years from now or 20 years from now you can look back and you can say, boy, we really moved in a new direction and we put the country on a better path," Obama added as he wrapped up an event at Reading High School.

more: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080420/POLITICS01/804200331

[berni_mccoy]

1. Hillary said McCain would be better than Obama

[depakid]

13. Hogwash

[maddiejoan]

18. No she didn't

she said he had more experience and would run on that.

She has also said that policy wise, McCain would be a big mistake and that both her and Obama would be far better choices than McCain.

Let's keep it honest shall we?

[berni_mccoy]

26. QUOTE

Which only leaves this wondrous remark from Clinton herself, proving that if she loses the nomination, nothing she says in Obama’s favor thenceforth will seem the least bit persuasive or plausible:

“I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold,” the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.

“I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy,” she said.

She went on to call McCain a friend and praise and his service to his country; at least she knows how to wage someone’s campaign effectively.

From http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/clinton_endorses_mccain_again/

[maddiejoan]

27. Which isn't a reccomendation for McCain

He has the experience to be a GOP President.

Show me where Clinton said that a GOP President would be better than Obama.

[berni_mccoy]

29. I'll allow readers to make the judgement call on the meaning of her words.

You and I have biased interpretations. She wasn't talking experience. She said McCain had past some unspoken test of qualification for President and she didn't think Obama had. It's pretty clear if you are not a Hillary supporter what she meant. I think most non-Hillary supporters would agree with my interpretation. The fact is, there is only one test of qualification to be President: the voters. And Obama has done far better than Clinton on that.

[cali]

31. bzzzy. wrong again. and not remotely honest.

she said that she and McCain both had the experience to be CiC and Obama had only a speech from 2002. can your spin.

[maddiejoan]

46. bzzzzzzt

so where am I wrong?

[Hieronymus]

41. Only, if your blinded by Hillary's bullshit.

[Petey Wheatie]

2. Guy's got a SERIOUS case of Foot & Mouth, don't he? n/t

[Yael]

12. He said that anyone would be better than Bush. She endorsed McCain over the Dem

And you can't tell the difference between these two sentiments?

:freak:

[Hieronymus]

43. I don't think Hillary supporters are really THAT dumb either.

[Sinistrous]

32. He sure does. Imagine saying something that only folks who can read

and who are able to apply elementary logic can understand.

[Petey Wheatie]

36. Like "people cling to religion and racism because they are bitter"? n/t

[Sinistrous]

Who ever said that? Clinging to racism??

Your raging hatred seems to have gotten the best of your rationality.

I doubt if your handler in the clinton cult wouyld appreciate your going that far outside their propaganda guidelines. Perhaps you should report for some re-education.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. A monkey with brain damage would be better than Bush.

That ain't saying much.

[Petey Wheatie]

5. lol...although it'd probably be about the same, IMHO. n/t

[electropop]

52. yes but a monkey with brain damage would be better than McCain.

Obama shouldn't concede a single vote in advance. Even a backhanded endorsement of McCain is wrong and foolish. I am an Obama supporter, but I think McCain actually is a LOT worse than Bush (e.g. on Iran and Iraq, for starters).

[malik flavors]

4. Hillary's already said he's the clear second choice to her, which is much worse.

[mydemiseisnear]

6. Obama supporters will agree. And if he said Bush is better, they would agree too

And if he said they were equally bad, they will agree. And if he said McCain is better than Obama himself, his supporters will agree.

[Faygo Kid]

8. Bull.

Do better with your fourth post.

[Straight Shooter]

17. LOL!

[Sinistrous]

33. Enjoy your stay.

[Cha]

42. If you have a brain..use

it.

[Faygo Kid]

7. Maybe. 61 percent of historians say Bush is worst ever - already. Still. . .

Bush hasn't thrown around nukes (yet - he may still do so). But McCain seems just the type to drop a nuke or two or three.

Still, tough to catch Bush. I hope to live another 30 years, and expect to die with George W. Bush still at the bottom.

I hope.

[BzaDem]

9. I can't believe it. The one time I really think Obama supporters will be angry at something he said,

they actually defend him, that McCain would be better than bush. Unbelievable. And you call Hillary supporters a cult.

[GarbagemanLB]

11. Oh get the fuck off it. Hillary herself promoted McCain OVER Obama.

[BzaDem]

22. Bullshit. She simply highlighted the experience deficit between McCain and Obama. That is ONE issue.

She CONSISTENTLY says that overall, Obama would be MUCH better than McCain.

But now Obama has said that overall, McCain would be better than Bush. This was something that was completely rediculous to most Obama supporters here before Obama said it (hence "McSame", etc.) Only now, after Obama said otherwise, are people trying to defend him. You just can't look past your blinders to see that.

[Yael]

14. "Anyone would be better than Bush" means the same thing as Worst. President. Ever.

How is this confusing to the Hillary Fanboy Club?

[BzaDem]

19. Because Bush is not running. McCain is. Likening McCain to Bush was one of his best arguments.

Hell, even most Obama supporters here agreed with that before he did a complete 180. They called him McSame. But now, because they have to revere Obama, they have to agree with him and say that McCain is better than Bush. Because Obama can never be wrong.

[Faygo Kid]

23. You're bitter.

It shows.

[BzaDem]

24. Woa, you really got me there.

[Faygo Kid]

20. Bush is Worst. President. Ever. He has set a high standard for lowness.

Maybe McCain would be marginally better; tough to be worse.

Did you even read my post before responding in such a knee jerk fashion?

[Sinistrous]

34. Your phony outrage is really a stretch.

[Yael]

44. And quite amusing to boot.

[Erin Elizabeth]

10. Just about anyone would be better than Bush.

I guess if you resurrected Stalin from the dead and put him in the White House, he might be worse.

But it'd be hard to fuck things up more than Bush has.

[BzaDem]

15. That's just great. Good going, Obama.

One of his best arguments was that McCain is running for Bush's third term. He should be saying that as much as he can. His policies are the same, and he is more pro-war than even Bush. That's a concerete statement, and Americans can relate McCain to Bush and realize in concrete terms why that is bad.

But noooooooo. He has to concede that great argument, and change the subject to "change things in a fundamental way so that 10 years from now or 20 year sfrom now, ... blah blah blah, we moved in a new direction, better path, blah blah blah."

UGH. Some people may care more about changing the paradigm of politics in America than actual concrete proposals, but NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE HIM WIN. He needs to stop talking philosophy, and start talking about exactly what he will do, and what McCain won't do. And the best way to do that was to liken McCain to Bush. But now he threw away his best argument.

Why does he always say stupid things.

[krispos42]

16. Damning with faint praise, indeed n/t

[IsItJustMe]

21. Yep, I caught that. Even Obama fucks up sometimes. LOL

On edit: It's most likely true, but Obama should not be saying it.

[BzaDem]

25. THANK YOU. At least some Obama supporters are sane.

[ecstatic]

37. that's how I feel too.

He's only human and he's very tired on the stump. It wasn't a helpful thing to say--though it seems most likely true since Bush is the worst ever... Then again, McSame is batshit nuts and senile too... So he could actually be worse than *.

[jordi_fanclub]

28. It was an obvious error... exactly from the same article:

Earlier, Obama renewed his criticism that McCain offers the same "failed" policies of the Bush administration on everything from Iraq to the economy.

"We cannot afford a third George Bush term and that's what John McCain is offering — a third Bush term," Obama said, repeating a line he's said at virtually every campaign stop since McCain wrapped up the GOP nomination last month.

[Sinistrous]

38. Not an error, obvious or otherwise.

I'm sure McCain appreciates your framing it as such.

[AnnieBW]

30. Bobo the Chimp

Would be a better President than *!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

35. Hell, a mentally challenged turnip would be better than Bush.

Which doesn't mean I'd vote for one.

[PurityOfEssence]

39. Hey, the guy says something correct; what's the problem?

Do opponents absolutely HAVE to vilify every word out of a candidate's mouth? McCain is a right-wing troglodyte, but he's nowhere near the reactionary monarchist stooge that Junior is.

[anonymous171]

40. OMG GOTCHA!

[democrattotheend]

45. He's right, but it was a stupid thing to say

I do think McCain would be marginally more tolerable than Bush, but it was a really stupid thing for Obama to say, because it undercuts our strategy for the general election. GRRR!!!

[BlooInBloo]

47. It's actually not obvious that its true.

[MrSlayer]

48. Nearly anyone would be better than Bush.

However marginally.

[Piperay]

49. No disagreement there

at least MacCain admits there is such a thing as global warmning so he's already one up on chimp. :silly:

[FrenchieCat]

50. I think that it is part of a strategy......

Being better than Bush isn't much. I think that Obama is about to reframe the argument against McCain. I think he is right, because there are too many Folks that already think that McCain couldn't be as bad as Bush. Going that route throughout the GE is not going to ring true. I think there is something else about to show up.

I'm chilling, and I'm gonna Watch and Listen.

[bklyncowgirl]

51. My dog Bucky would be a better President than Bush

Let's twist more Obama words out of context, shall we.

Clinton said that McCain and she had passed the "Commander in Chief" threshold and that Obama had not. How is this different?