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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:39 PM
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We are going to see something Amazing this Tuesday.....
...I have a strong sense that we will see an outpouring like we have never seen in a political primary before. I have no scientific data to support this statement... I have only a sense that this is going to be big.

People are tired of the establishment. Hillary Clinton represents the establishment. People feel the change coming through Barack Obama. Obama represents/symbolizes this change. I can here in peoples voices and through their actions and words... that they will not let this opportunity pass them by.

On Tuesday, you will see a massive movement of humanity doing all that they can to protect this new era of change. The energy behind this force is greater than the energy of fear that Hillary Clinton and her staff are putting forward. Hillary's mantra that 'bad things will happen if you don't vote for me. will be crushed by Obama's 'Good things can not happen until you vote for change'

My prediction: Obama's supporters will work harder than they have ever worked in there lives... their energy will spread like wildfire. People will want to participate, people will feel like they are missing an opportunity to be the ones who finally put Obama on a hard track to the white House. You will also see the ones who have been on the fence inspired to vote for change.

At the end of the evening, when all the votes are counted, Obama will actually surpass Hillary.

mark my words...
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:41 PM
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1. Nope
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 06:42 PM by BlueIdaho
HUGE Obama supporter here but it will be Hillary by 6-8 ok - its too little too late but she will "win" in Penn.

sorry - typo
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:44 PM
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5. It'll be HRC by 20.
This Obama supporter refuses to buy the managed expectations that the Hill Shills have been peddling for weeks.

And either way, it'll have little effect on Obama's delegate lead.

NGU.


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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:53 PM
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By *20* points, though?
So, 60% to 40%? That doesn't seem likely to me. But who knows?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:18 PM
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35. I think if we assume any less...
...we get complacent beforehand and dejected afterwards. And the only damn poll I'm at all inclined to believe is the official one on E-Day.

NGU.


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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:54 PM
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9. by 20?
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:02 PM
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14. 20 votes, right?
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:07 PM
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20. Yup, expectations have been lowered WAY too much for PA.
Hillary was supposed to win by over 20 points. That was the reason her campaign gave for even staying in the race those many weeks ago. Somehow, over the course of her lead eroding, the bar got lowered along with it.

The fact that the candidates are closer now is irrelevant. She was supposed to win by 20 points - anything less is a catastrophic loss.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:19 PM
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36. Bingo!
NGU.


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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:26 AM
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65. Now if she wins by 8-10 points
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 08:26 AM by Shae
they'll say it was a tremendous upset. Never mind that Obama closed the gap to within half the once-expected number. She has Hillary-mentum.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:44 PM
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6. Yep....
you haven't seen this before...

if you are basing your 6-8 on historical info, yes you are probably right. thing is, this is no ordinary election and Obama (and what he represents) is no ordinary candidate.

as I said, mark my words...
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:53 PM
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34. If Obama wins PA he wins nomination - if not it stays a "he can't win general"
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:56 PM
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10. What time will the polls close? I'm on PST
I've got a meeting at 4:30 pm and won't get home until about 6:30 PM :(
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:09 PM
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21. 8 eastern
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:29 PM
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25. Thanks, I'll take my radio/earphones
What is a good station to listen to the results?

Will Air America have them?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:36 PM
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31. I have no clue!
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:03 PM
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15. Obama had the time wage a fair fight....
this should say something about how good he is.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:43 PM
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49.  no one knows. the newbie voters have never been polled due to
cell phones. we shall see but throw the polls out. they aren't going to be clear.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:50 AM
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57. Yep ...
In Pa, an Obama supporter and SICK AND TIRED of Hill at this point ... And, it won't change the end result, but it will be enough to let her keep freakin dragging it out ..
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:43 PM
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2. I would like to see a conclusion to this primary sooner than later.
McCain is getting some free shots from the foul line and Obama needs to bring his game and block his shots as soon as possible.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:32 PM
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38. I love that pic and the news
about HOOPS. ACTION. CHANGE.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:19 PM
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44. I'm glad he did Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel to show he's got skills.
Tough to paint a basketball player as elitist, eh? :)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:26 PM
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47. My son saw that Bryant Gumble show..
and said, "Obama got game".. I'm glad he kept that up.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:43 PM
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3. Couldn't agree more, his win won't be a landslide but it will be a win!....n/t
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:30 PM
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26. It is Earth Day
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 07:30 PM by ClayZ
and my Birthday!


I have been wishing... for a long time! OBAMA/44



edit: kick :party:
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:51 AM
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61. Let me be among the first to wish you the happiest of birthdays and
may all your dreams come true!..
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:43 PM
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It's going to be an exciting evening, regardless of the outcome!
I'd love for your prediction to come to pass.

Points? :7
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:43 PM
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The exit polling may indeed reflect and Obama win
but I'm pretty sure the electronic vote will, at some point, become contrary to exit polling data.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:04 PM
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40. The exit polls reflected a Kerry win too

:crazy:
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:53 PM
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54. There will be no exit polls. The NY media may have inhouse exit data in the
metro market but I doubt state wide.
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:43 PM
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4. I sure hope you're right. But mostly...
... I don't want to hear any crap about:

We ran out of ballots

We didn't have enough machines

The machines broke down

People stood in line for hours

Etc etc etc

They have no excuses. They know the turnout is going to be HUGE. So I don't want to hear any of that mess on Tuesday. However it turns out, let it be fair.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:51 PM
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7. What happens on the outside is only a small portion of the problem.
It's the fact that there is no way to verify the actual results on the machines (DRE's and Opti-scan) that is the real issue. That's what worries me most of all- the GOP own those machines (Diebold & ESS manufacture them- both are GOP controlled companies) and the GOP will do anything to make sure their candidate will be elected. They favor HRC as we all know. Then there's the Clinton machine who, I'm sorry to say, will stop at nothing to get her nominated.

We need to watch those election day exit polls. If we see an upset- like we saw in NH where the hand counted votes matched the exit polls exactly (showing an Obama win by about 3%) whereas the electronic counts reversed the exit poll predictions (which means that something went on behind the scenes with those machines)- then we need to demand an investigation. Hardly anyone (except the election fraud activists) said anything at all- we tried but there was no traction since no one wanted to hear about it. Let's see what happens in PA. I for one, am very concerned.


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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:53 PM
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8. On Meet The Press they did say Obama has an advantage on the ground in PA
They said it was a good enough ground game to pick up 4 extra points from the polls.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:13 PM
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42. big advantage... something similar to th ground advantage bush had over Kerry in 04'
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dano81818 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:59 PM
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11. i really, really doubt it
for whatever reason, she has strong support there
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:11 PM
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53. strong support is only support if the base does not 'activate'
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:01 PM
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12. Yep!!!I think you are going to see the "conventional wisdom"
stood on it's head again.

I think people are going to crawl out of the woodwork to vote in this thing like we have never seen.

35,000 people at a rally Friday night . Sheeit.

Thousands at whistle stops along a small town route where he was supposed to have offended the local yokels.

I hear 800 turned out for Hillary in downtown Philly. Or Pittsburgh, Or where ever. At the Central Market.

Maybe someone went to get lattes and forgot to show for the photo op.

This is really going to be good.

Obama by five.


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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:51 PM
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50. the spontaneous march afterward too.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:01 PM
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13. Have you ever been to Pennsylvania?
It is probably as perfect a state for her as there is. The demographics, history, culture, etc are all favorable to Hillary. It is amazing that Obama has made so much progress there.

I think Obama will do okay in PA, but I am staying realistic. I am predicting Hillary by 6-11%.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:03 PM
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16. It could very well happen truthpusher. The time is coming, I do believe, when this thing will break
wide open for Obama. I sort of feel it also. I am not sure if Pennsylvania will be it, but I hope so.
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Petey Wheatie Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:03 PM
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17. Marked! Now please be on here Tues night, k? So I can spike the football under your nose. n/t
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lander Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:07 PM
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19. There is no football under my nose. n/t
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:19 PM
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23. 44 posts in one day?
How much is the Clinton campaign paying you?
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Petey Wheatie Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:34 PM
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28. Not enough. n/t
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:39 PM
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32. Are you being paid by the Clinton campaign?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:34 PM
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29. Probably as much as they were paying him under his last alias.
This particular troll isn't on his first tour of "doodie" here, that much is obvious.

Like I said in another thread, it beats McDonalds.
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Petey Wheatie Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:35 PM
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30. Don't call me a troll. n/t
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:47 PM
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33. Truth hurts
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:43 AM
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60. Nay, it is I who will spike the football, followed by the Obama 'Ellen' dance!!
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:04 PM
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18. People here LOVE to prognosticate, don't they?
I hope you're right. :-) I know I'm too biased to make any predictions.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:09 PM
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22. I think it is OBAMA by 9 (at least)
K and R
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:27 PM
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24. Who knows. I don't trust their voting machines.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:06 PM
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41. I don't trust their voting machines either
My friend is a lawyer and he worked the Obama campaign in Ohio.
He said the dirty tricks ~ from HC, were the worst that he had ever seen!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:04 AM
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63. Care to elaborate? nt
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hell-bent Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:18 PM
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43. Oh no!
Are you Obamatrons already planning to use the excuse that "they cheated"? Get some help........
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:47 AM
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56. No, Have you heard many other Sen. Obama supporters saying that?
Are you also saying that all the problems we've had with Diebold in the past have been straightened out, that there are no problems with the voting machines???

If so, you are the one who needs the help.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:33 PM
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27. GOBAMA!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:21 PM
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37. "Amazing" is capitalized, why it sounds almost Holy!
;)
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 08:34 PM
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39. Honestly I'm not expecting it but it would not surprise me
and I hope you're right. I can see it happening,

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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:22 PM
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45. Bookmarked
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:23 PM
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46. Working night and day here inspiring everyone I can.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 10:09 PM
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51. are you in PA?
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:32 PM
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48. Amazing things are pretty rare to see - for a reason.
Not likely. Pollsters are trying to pick it right. So they're not usually that far off. Sometimes there's a factor they miss but even with things like "likely voters" they are trying to find them, poll them and count them. But it's nice to have hope.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 10:25 PM
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52. From your keyboard to God's CPU
So let it be.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:58 PM
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55. If O cannot beat lil old HRC in Pa. nor in Indiana, or in West Virginia
or Kentucky and lil' old HRC wins at least 7 of the final 10 then how could super delegates in good conscience cast a vote for a man that loses all the states necessary of a dem to win and states he needs to win to have a buffer. O cannot win Ohio, nor Florida. It is question if he could carry Pa in the general. In all the landscapes of a general election at this moment in time, it is HRC that can win the general over McCain.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:58 AM
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59. sounds logical... but this election has defied logic... constantly.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:29 PM
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69. She's winning states that usually vote Democratic anyway
Obama has a chance to carry states the Republicans think are safe. That's his appeal.
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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:53 AM
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58. You're wrong. It will be another Ohio
Hillary wins by 10 in Pa
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:25 PM
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68. nope
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:53 AM
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62. Enough with this BS...CHANGE!~
Obama can't and WON"T win PA!! Get it?? No caucus...No win! tear!
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:47 AM
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67. Yeah because he's only won caucuses
Your moranism is showing.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:13 AM
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64. K&R
i hope your vision proves correct
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:44 AM
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66. .
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:18 PM
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70. bump - so I can say I told you so!
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:19 PM
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71. you done tol me!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:27 PM
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72. Care To Place A Wager?
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:33 PM
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73. I will post that 'operationmindcrime' is a genius in GDP tomorrow if Hillary wins.... how bout that!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:43 PM
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74. Everyone Knows I'm A Genius. I Was Talking About Something Worthwhile Pal.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:44 PM
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75. ouch.... I can see why they call you a genius.
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