Why Are Hillary Supporters Basing the outcome of an entire Primary on Pennsylvania

[berni_mccoy]

I keep hearing outrageous statements from Clinton supporters that Obama must WIN PA to win the Nomination. That's, quite plainly, desperate bullshit. They have nothing else and have become completely desperate. So desperate that they've started pushing the goal-post to extremes. The latest: "If Obama doesn't win by TEN in PA... he does not deserve the nomination"

Wow. Clinton started out polling more than 20 points ahead in PA and Obama has whittled that down to single digits, through a revolutionary boots-on-the-ground, grass-roots run campaign.

And I would ask, since when has a primary outcome been based on a single state? While the Clinton supporters have been touting on one hand "YOU MUST COUNT EVERY VOTE" but on the other hand saying "DELEGATES DO NOT HAVE TO GO WITH THE POPULAR VOTE", they show that they just want the rules to say whatever will make Clinton win.

That's what it all comes down to. Clinton's supporters have become much like Hillary herself: do anything to win, even if it means changing the rules she agreed to or dividing the party or promoting the GOP candidate above Obama. Stop the bogus spinning of the number Clinton supporters. The math is not on your candidates side. She needs to WIN EVERY STATE by more than 25 point margins to win the nomination. It's something she's not going to do in PA or in NC. I'm all for allowing all the primaries to play out. But for the sake of your party, stop spinning the numbers. It makes you look very desperate.

[babylonsister]

1. Thank you for this; it's getting beyond ridiculous. But remember,

those goal posts have been moved to Puerto Rico, so I guess anything goes in the interim. :eyes:

[Botany]

2. PA's History

Pickett's Charge

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/56/Pickett's-Charge.png/350px-Pickett's-Charge.png

[SoCalDem]

3. EVERY state since she LOST the election in Wisconsin

has become the "line of death..do not step over the line of death..oh wait.. (steps back and draws new line)..now THIS is the line of death" :)

as she keeps backing up and drawing a new line, she fails to notice the cliff behind her :)

...

and children.. "that's how the mastodons became extinct "

[H2O Man]

4. Senator Clinton

must win PA by 20 points.

[Petey Wheatie]

9. LOL! P.S. Your "Strange Fruit" post from a few weeks back was disgusting, BTW. n/t

[Cha]

35. You're disgusting and right in step with

hilary.

[H2O Man]

42. The Pusher

Steppenwolf

"You know I've seen a lot of people walking 'round
With tombstones in their eyes."

[Liberal Gramma]

5. It's a bit like going out and buying a new car on the basis of your potential lottery win

You did buy a ticket. You COULD win.

[BattyDem]

6. The HRC campaign's internal polling must be making them nervous

They don't think she'll get the huge margin she needs, so they're trying to turn it into a "do-or-die" primary for him, even though he was never expected to win the state. In other words, it's more of this:

[IsItJustMe]

7. Not only desperate, but straight up ignorant as well.

[Zachstar]

8. Even some fearful Obama supporters who were talking that way.

It disgusts me how some people only care about a (D) in the white house. That stance will lead to failure.

[CakeGrrl]

10. Even if Clinton pulls out a double-digit PA win, do they really think

Obama is going to lose NC? That'll erase a PA delegate gain right then and there.

Then he's on track to take OR, MT, SD, and possibly IN.

The delegate count only gets close if she WINS EVERYTHING BIG.

I doubt that.

[ORDem]

37. Don't just doubt it. It's just plain impossible for her to win every contest here on out with 65%

of the vote. She's only done it once in her home state of Arkansas. Just ain't gonna happen. Let the Hillbots spend their hard-earned money, it's theirs to spend.

:eyes:

[jordi_fanclub]

11. An NOW, the SAME but in a special version to 'blinds' or 'illiterates'...

"How Hillary Can Still Win" THE video!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBGyuYKlxIg&eurl

[BattyDem]

12. ROFL!

:rofl:

[DerekJ]

15. That was f'in hilarious

[NC_Nurse]

23. The "Eleven States of America"...

ESA! ESA! :rofl:

[cliffordu]

13. They feel like as long as they can fan the flames of this myth that

if she wins this one her momentum will change and she will sweep the rest of the states while bill and Carville browbeats the SD's.

It's like the rest of her campaign, all smoke and mirrors, shuck and jive.

:patriot:

[depakid]

14. If Obama gets blown out in PA, then it really is time to think about deadlocking the convention

and looking at compromise candidates- something that which Hillary does have a reasonable shot at pulling off.

My guess is that, she'll win handily by 7 to 7 points, but that it won't be a blow out, and the chances of winning Pennsylvania in the fall will remain an open (though worrysome) question.

[babylonsister]

16. Win handily by 7? Bwhahahaha! Lowering expectations, I see. nt

[depakid]

34. That's my call- we will see on Tuesday night.

and (as with the post below) don't assume someone's a Hillary supporter just because they're not enamored with Obama.

[earthlover]

32. So Hillary can be a COMPROMISE CANDIDATE? Hillarious!

That has to be the most pathetic thing i have ever heard. Imagine a contest between two people...a tight fight. So they find a compromise candidate...one of the two...HUH?

Would it be rude to suggest to a Hillary Cultist that a compromise caniddate would NOT be one of the two competitors? Well...DUH!@

[depakid]

33. Did I say anything about Hillary being that candidate?

or are you just so conditioned to react without thinking (or reading) that you assume pretty much any ridiculous thing.

[Spider Jerusalem]

40. Hell, Ed Rendell has said he thinks Obama would win Pennsylvania in November.

And in a very telling comment re the 'bitter' nonsense, he said 'I expect this to have completely blown over by November', which sounds like even HE doesn't think Hillary can win.

Oh, and if there's a compromise candidate at the convention, it won't be either Clinton or Obama; Gore or Edwards would be more likely.

[C_U_L8R]

17. Even though Hillary has won HALF the number of state

she (and her fervent supporters) mistakenly want to believe that it's a sudden-death game.
Well.. that is if they win.

[berni_mccoy]

21. She hasn't done that. She's won 15 primary contests to Obama's 31 wins. That's 1/3 for her.

[C_U_L8R]

26. Thanks for the math correction :-)))

There may be some Hillary fans who need it even more than I do.. hahaha

[anamnua]

18. Like the outcome of the Eastern front struggle in WW2 hinged on Stalingrad nt

[C_U_L8R]

19. Including the snipers (nt)

[The_Casual_Observer]

20. Same reason obama is basing everything on a pile of bogus caucuses.

[berni_mccoy]

22. Out of 46 primary contests, Clinton has won only 15, Obama 31.

[XtraProudDem]

24. Bogus?

The caucuses are not "Bogus."

They count.

Your girl should have figured out a way to win them.

[GoesTo11]

45. i.e., the ones that don't count

[MadMaddie]

25. Understand that I voted for Hillary in the WA caucus.....

Not only Hillary supporters but the Hillary campaign is showing the short sightedness that got them into the mess they are in now. The campaign never thought they would have to go beyond the original super Tuesday.

In this case they are putting all of their eggs into the Pennsylvania basket. What if they don't win PA? Is there any plan for the upcoming events?

This is not bashing Hillary or her supporters this is questioning their strategy.

[crankychatter]

27. you nailed it

yup

[newmajority]

28. Their "bellwether" states always have electro-fraud machines and DLC-run governments.

As in Ohio. As in PA. As in the attempt to frontload Michigan.

Care to guess why? :evilgrin:

[NJmaverick]

29. Because they have lost- Only by nonsense like PA is the Country

Can they argue for the continued destruction of the Democratic party.

[Frank Booth]

30. They were doing this with Ohio and Texas too. It's their whole strategy to minimize

the importance of the states that Obama wins, and act like the few states that Hillary wins mean everything. The media, of course, is a willing participant in this charade.

[shraby]

31. That's called projection..projecting your own

shortcomings on your opponent.

[loyalsister]

36. Becaue Ohio has alread had their election

[krkaufman]

38. It's all about expectations and spin ...

... and they're doing what their apparent Republican hero explained as "catapulting the propaganda."

If they can get enough of the media repeating their nonsense, as they have with "popular vote" and getting the media to effectively ignore the constantly changing goalposts, they will have won the spin war.

[krkaufman]

39. "I'm all for allowing all the primaries to play out"

Another Clinton campaign talking point that has permeated the media and even Obama supporters. Where was Clinton's concern for the primary contest playing out when she was predicting that it would be over by Super Tuesday? Where was Clinton's concern for superdelegates "unduly" short-circuiting the primary campaign when she amassed 160 superdelegates before a single vote was cast?

[BlooInBloo]

41. Because it's all they have. Like the guy who's lost a jillion bucks betting....

... "C'mon! One more - for the whole pot! What are ya - chicken??"

:rofl:

[Eurobabe]

43. Desperation?? Besides, that blow-out is not going to happen

Clinton supporters can just keep dreaming.

[sendero]

44. The only way HRC can win now...

.. is if Obama is caught with a dead woman or a live boy.

It's not going to happen, but that is her only hope.

The idea that the SD are going to send the party into a decades-long sinkhole by overruling the voters is beyond ridiculous. It's not going to happen.