Camille Paglia: Why Women Shouldn't Vote For Hillary Clinton

[TML]

If the Clintonistas can quote RW talking points to advance their agenda here and get away with it, then I'm going to do it. Especially when there's some truth to it. Per The Telegraph (UK):

Whatever her official feminist credo, Hillary's public career has glaringly been a subset to her husband's success. Despite her reputation for brilliance, she failed the Washington, DC bar exam. Thus her migration to Little Rock was not simply a selfless drama for love; she was fleeing the capital where she had hoped to make her mark.

In Little Rock, every role that Hillary played was obtained via her husband's influence - from her position at the Rose Law Firm to her seat on the board of Wal-Mart to her advocacy for public education reform. In a pattern that would continue after Bill became president, Hillary would draw attention by expressing public "concern" for a problem, without ever being able to organise a programme for reform.

Hillary has always been a policy wonk, a functionary attuned to bureaucratic process, but she has never shown executive ability, which makes her quest for the presidency problematic. Hillary's disastrous botching of national healthcare reform in 1993 (a project to which her husband rashly appointed her) will live in infamy. Obama may also have limited executive experience, but he has no comparable stain on his record.

The argument, therefore, that Hillary's candidacy marks the zenith of modern feminism is specious. Feminism is not well served by her surrogates' constant tactic of attributing all opposition to her as a function of entrenched sexism. Well into her second term as a US Senator, Hillary lacks a single example of major legislative achievement. Her career has consisted of fundraising, meet-and-greets and speeches around the world expressing support for women's rights.

Flame away, peeps.

[C_U_L8R]

1. Even her eye color is fake ??!!

Geesh.

A clearminded flamethrower of an article

[Tellurian]

4. When has Camille Paglia ever been right?

[C_U_L8R]

9. Is she wrong about the contact lenses?

[emilyg]

37. goodness - who cares.

[C_U_L8R]

39. If #4's gonna call Camille Paglia a liar...

(or anyone for that matter)
I'd like to know on what basis.

[BlooInBloo]

53. It doesn't matter if what she says is true dammit! She's a LIAR!

Are you deaf or something?

:rofl:

Clinton supporters slay me.

[cbayer]

75. Do you like Molly Ivins?

Read this piece on Paglia.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

on edit: wrong link!! http://www.its.caltech.edu/~erich/misc/ivins_on_paglia

but the first one i posted is really good too

[TML]

10. She poses some interesting questions

Hillary failed the bar exam and fled Washington D.C.? Did she earn her positions in the Rose law firm or the board of Wal-Mart on her own merit? What major policy has she created and passed in her two terms in the Senate?

Hey, we're just vetting your candidate here. Feel free to provide evidence refuting these questions. :-)

[Tellurian]

22. Hillary was in Love with Bill Clinton..and wanted to follow him to AK..

that was her Primary reason for passing up the exam.. she had plenty of time to take it again. Who cares about the Rose Law Firm or Wall-Mart. What has that got to do with anything? My candidate HAS been vetted by 2 Republican prosecutors for 8 yrs. If you want to know her accomplishments... go to her site: http://clinton.senate.gov/

[TML]

23. You care enough about William Ayers

Now answer our questions about the Rose law firm, her failed bar exam and how she got that job at Wal-Mart?

[TML]

24. You care enough about William Ayers

Now answer our questions about the Rose law firm, her failed bar exam and how she got that job at Wal-Mart?

[Tellurian]

28. Your attempt to muscle me is laughable..

Yes Ayers, Wright, Farrakan, Odinga, Kadaffi, Rezko are a grave concern. Vet your own candidate and see what you come up with.

[TML]

30. I'm glad you asked.

I made this post for Maddy McCall and didn't get a response back. Feel free to vet this connection to Hillary Clinton. :evilgrin:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5586573&mesg_id=5586656

[TML]

35. Muscled yet?

Or are you still looking for answers to this fact:

Hillary Clinton accepted money and a plaque from Abdurahman Alamoudi for a fundraiser eight years ago. They raised $50,000 for HRC. Alamoudi was later charged with laundering money from Libya and providing money to Al Qaeda, Hamas, and other terrorist organizations.

Your silence is laughable. Vet away.

[Tellurian]

79. Where is your link about the Clintons association?

The link you provided says nothing of the kind.

[TML]

96. Since you asked for proof, here it is

The previous link was for Abdurahman M. Alamoudi. Here's the return of the money and plaque:

Hillary Rodham Clinton said yesterday that she would return $50,000 in political contributions received at a fund-raising event sponsored by a Muslim organization based in California.

Mrs. Clinton said she was offended by remarks attributed to members of the organization, the American Muslim Alliance. The group's president has been quoted as defending a United Nations resolution that he said allowed for the use of armed force by Palestinians against Israel, while other members have been accused of making anti-Semitic remarks.

Mrs. Clinton's decision to return the money, as well as $1,000 from an official of another American Muslim group, the American Muslim Council, puzzled leaders of both Muslim organizations. The groups acknowledge that they have some members with extreme views on Israel, but say that they are mainstream and oppose terrorism. Officials in the groups yesterday took issue with the characterizations of the remarks.

<snip>

Mrs. Clinton also said she would return $1,000 to Mr. Alamoudi of the American Muslim Council. She said she did not know that the fund-raising event, which was held in Boston in June, had been sponsored by the American Muslim Alliance even though she was photographed at the event accepting a plaque from the chairman of the group's Massachusetts chapter.

And here's where she sent Alamoudi's group a thank you letter for the $50,000 campaign donation:

Mr. Lazio unleashed a tough advertisement linking Mrs. Clinton to groups whose leaders have expressed support for the use of violence against Israel. Mrs. Clinton said the ad was ''disgraceful and beneath him and it should be beneath anyone'' who wants to succeed Daniel Patrick Moynihan in Washington.

At the same time, Mrs. Clinton acknowledged that a White House office had written what she called a form letter, on official stationery, to the American Muslim Alliance, thanking the organization for a plaque it awarded her at a fund-raising reception in Massachusetts, where she raised $50,000 last June. After the donations were disclosed last week, Mrs. Clinton returned the money, saying that she had not been aware that the alliance, some of whose members have been quoted as defending the use of violence against Israel, had been an event sponsor.

Mr. Lazio's aides asserted that the letter was proof that Mrs. Clinton had misled New Yorkers about her knowledge of the event.

There's your proof Hillary once accepted money from a group that supports Al-Qaeda and Hamas. Any questions? Refer to the above articles, since you now know this is not a smear but proper vetting of your candidate. A simple Google search will probably turn up additional sources.

Have a nice day. :hi:

[Tellurian]

102. Idiotic and the usual waste of time from a rabid Obama supporter

She returned the money and YES it is an attempted SWIFTBOATING!

Get a life or a hobby.. your not very good at playing poker!

[TML]

103. What's the matter?

You can't handle the truth that Hillary Clinton received money from an organization that supported Al-Qaeda and Hamas?

Find a candidate that's worthy of the nomination and we'll talk. :-)

[Tellurian]

107. You've got nothing..

OTOH...Obama's connections with Wright, Farrakan, Kadaffi, Odinga, Rezko and Nachi are current..That, friend, will be problematic for Obama soon!

[TML]

109. I don't know

That Al-Qaeda and Hamas connection would look very bad if the MSM picked up on it.

[Tellurian]

112. Heres something to chew on..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onOYL2ZG7fk

[TML]

113. And I've got one for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwLaCb07lAs

That's the kind of experience that put this country where it is.

Go Obama!

[Tellurian]

118. And the CHANGE Obama offers will put us from the Frying Pan into the FIRE!

Thats what happens when your Best Friends are Terrorists and HATE America..

NO THANKS!

[TML]

123. So what happens when

Your candidate accepts money from people who support Al-Qaeda and Hamas? :rofl:

[Tellurian]

125. I suggest you keep trying to sell your BS..

hoping, you are paid by the post. We are in a recession after all.

[TML]

126. It's not BS

You just can't handle the truth when it's handed to you on a silver platter.

I suggest you come up with allegations that stick if you're going to press them here. Ad hominem attacks only make you weaker.

Thanks for playing. I win. Goodbye.

[Tellurian]

127. Yes, it was debunked yesterday.. keep trying!

and keep declaring yourself a "winner".. with that I can agree!

[Frank Booth]

111. Wow, that is troubling.

They claim their candidate is vetted, but it's not even funny how much the Republicans had in reserve to throw at her if she hadn't lost the nomination.

[roguevalley]

78. hypocrite. You aren't answering like it doesn't matter. but it does.

or else your gal would be winning. She isn't. it matters.

[Tellurian]

80. I happen to be posting on three other threads..

I'm not sitting here breathlessly waiting to respond to another smear..duh!

[merh]

29. Did she fail the Washington DC bar exam?

Is that part true?

[TML]

31. Yes

Media matters has the details

http://mediamatters.org/items/200706010006

[Tellurian]

87. I did the same thing for almost for the same reason..

My parents were pushing me to do something I didn't want to do...and I skipped an an entire section of the exam to clear the way for me. Hillary did the same thing. She needed to be free to go to Arkansas..

[Name removed]

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[roguevalley]

77. Tellurian, AK is Alaska. Get your states initials right. I suppose trying

to keep Nixon from being impeached didn't win her any friends either. What has the points got to do with anything? Lots. If a fucking flag pin gets your panties in a twist, nepotistic appointments to businesses matter. Or you're being hypocritical.

[Tellurian]

88. I'll have whatever it is you're smoking..

you have 2 posts mixed up into one convoluted post.

Talk to me tomorrow..

[cbayer]

89. You might be interested in the history of that Nixon thing.

From my research, she did it for the democratic party. She made some enemies on the right with that one. Not saying what she did was right or wrong, but her motives were to boost the Democrats.

[papau]

13. Agree - indeed having Camille Paglia against Hillary is another plus for Hillary

[Scairp]

58. She's an idiot

Anyone who thinks that Madonna is a great role model for young girls to look up to as a wonderful example of feminism has a screw loose. Why is anyone still listening to Paglia and why isn't she in a sanitarium getting the professional help she has needed for the past twenty years?

[cbayer]

81. They don't know who Paglia is.

She is just saying something that some people want to hear, so she is magically credible. This is how we got Bush. No questions. Unquestioning acceptance. It's really scary.

I like Obama, but some of his supporters make me really uncomfortable.

[Scairp]

114. I'm shocked

Finally, someone who still has a modicum of common sense on this board! I was beginning to think I was all alone here. You are so right. I have never seen, nor ever thought that I would see, the members of this website slandering the Clintons with impunity just because Barack Obama has come along and happens to be a good person, and oh yeah, he's a minority. But Hillary Clinton is also a minority, not to mention also a good person. I guess most of the people on this board have forgotten that women are considered a member of the minority class. So, we have two minorities vying for the Democratic nomination for president, one who is new to Washington and lacking the years of public service experience we generally see in presidential candidates, and the other who has been in public service for 35 years, and has until now always had the support of just about anyone who calls themselves a Democrat. What is happening here and elsewhere with people who have always been in the Clinton's corner? The way former supporters have turned on them sickens me. It's beyond appalling. Of course, these Obama people are very shrill in their denials that it has anything whatsoever to do with one being a woman and the other a man, but in my mind, it cannot be anything else. No one ever had a problem with her character or integrity before, what is different now? It isn't the first time she's run for office, it's the third, as she is in her second term as a U.S. Senator, but all of a sudden she's nothing but a liar and a bitch and a secret right wing shill. Obama hasn't even finished his first term as a senator, yet is considered fit to become president, not to mention practically being canonized, at a time in our history where just about everything is going wrong. Obama people need to admit they are scared shitless of having a female president. We know it, you know, be honest and say it, lying about it only makes you look more disgusting (yes, women can be misogynists just like men; it's called self-loathing, something I brought up in another post). If Barack Obama really loves this country, he will defer to Hillary Clinton, step aside in his bid for the top spot, and she will ask him to be her running mate. That is how we will save our country and win back the White House. Otherwise, I don't see things getting better, only worse, and it makes me afraid for the future of this nation and my family.

[ecstatic]

25. wow! Is she even a real blonde? nt

[JeffR]

26. Certain information, I just don't wanna have. n/t

[saltpoint]

42. I recommend your comment to that guy who does the DUzys on this site.

Not sure if there's a conflict of interest involved or not, but lines like that is why I read DU in the first place.


:hi: :thumbsup:

[JeffR]

44. Thanks! I would, but I have that guy on ignore.

:mad:

[saltpoint]

47. LOL!

[TahitiNut]

65. While I'm opposed to "Ignore lists" ...

... I think that's wise. :silly:

[JeffR]

68. Yes, such lists are silly. But the guy was begging for it.

I just gave him what he desperately wanted.

[cbayer]

83. OK, you HAVE to give yourself a DUZY for that!

Of course, you might have me on ignore.

[JeffR]

85. No way I'd have you on ignore!

Why? What did you do?

[cbayer]

90. Killed Vince Foster and had sex with Rezco in San Francisco.

What did you do?

[JeffR]

95. Traded arms for hostages and pardoned Nixon.

Other than that, I'm likable enough, as far as I know.

[cbayer]

99. You are likable enough

for a person who made $109 million dollars off her cheating husband and has an elitist attitude towards people who wear blue dresses.

[JeffR]

101. I know, huh? Only in America would a story as improbable as mine

go on to be misremembered as involving sniper fire and seeing Shirley MacLaine in a UFO.

[cbayer]

105. I love your work, by the way.

I am now going to watch an incredibly high brow Masterpiece show on PBS about Rudyard Kipling. I will be sipping champagne and slamming shots while doing it.

Thanks for playing.

:hi:

[JeffR]

106. Cheers!

:toast:

[JVS]

115. You should be banned for even making oblique reference to that area of Paglia!

That's the kind of shit that doesn't just make baby Jesus cry. It makes grown up Jesus look forward to coming to earth and destroying us all! Here is an illustration courtesy of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

[JeffR]

122. Looks like Baghdad, somehow.

Shock & awful.

[BlueManDude]

2. I'm no fan of HRC - but Camille Paglia is a right wing piece of shit.

[Jane Austin]

110. I remember when she wasn't.

(a right-wing pos)

[BlueManDude]

119. Her schtick is claim to be a "Democrat" and then proceed to rip the Democrats

It's a trick that Zell Miller and Joe Liberman have used to garner the inkwells and airwaves of attention they get.

You see if they simply say that they are conservative Republicans no one will attention.

[Catherina]

3. Camille Paglia has been dead to HRC supporters for a while.

Deader than a door knob to them.

[stellanoir]

5. I've always wanted to see a woman leader, but not one masquerading as a hawkish male.

[cbayer]

86. Then you wouldn't like Camille Paglia very much. nt,

[undeterred]

6. Camille Paglia: Embodiment of Bitterness

I'm not sure anybody would want her endorsement :hide:

[merh]

32. Wasn't that said about Sciafe before he endorsed hillary?

:shrug:

[undeterred]

34. Who?

[merh]

41. Richard Mellon Scaife

The “Arkansas Project,” which was privately funded by billionaire Pittsburgh Tribune-Review publisher Richard Mellon Scaife, angered partisan Democrats by probing into such Clinton classics as the death of Vince Foster, Whitewater, and Troopergate.

[GoesTo11]

7. "Every role that Hillary played was obtained via her husband's influence"

How untrue!

[NC_Nurse]

11. Really? How can you say that? Would anyone know her name if it weren't for

Bill?

[GoesTo11]

20. Given where she was in 1973, she would have been some kind of player anyway

The failing the bar exam thing is a red herring. People fail it if they're busy with some serious work and don't have time to study for it. But she had, for her age, a very influential position even in 1973. They were a power couple in Arkansas. Of course everything would have been different if she had been on her own, or had married a doctor or something. But I suspect she'd have become a judge or undersecretary of health education & welfare, something like that. Certainly a top Yale law school grad in Arkansas - not the first choice of elite lawyers back then, I'll bet - would have been attractive to Rose law firm (although she wouldn't have gone to Arkansas on her own). She's smart, driven, ambitious and hard working. People like that do work their way near the top. That said, I seriously doubt she would have been a senator (or presidential candidate) on her own - Bill has the campaign instincts in that couple.

[NC_Nurse]

27. I suppose there is no way of knowing since she did marry Bill. It just seems

like pretty much everything she's done since has been shaped or influenced by the marriage.
Like you said, it's hard to imagine she would have moved to Arkansas if it weren't for him.
Being a "power couple" in Arkansas is probably a lot easier than in bigger states. Big fish in a
small pond.

[cbayer]

84. Consider for a moment that everything that happened for Bill

was shaped and influenced by his marriage to Hillary.

Have a nice cup of tea and just ponder that for a moment.

[NC_Nurse]

120. I have. She would never have moved to Arkansas if it weren't for him.

That was a pretty dramatic shift in paradigm. She chose early on to accept his philandering
in order to stay in a relationship she decided would benefit her more than choosing to leave
him and try to manage that on her own. I don't doubt that HE would not be where he is today
without her, that is the nature of their type of relationship. I know, I've been in one. She made a
different choice than I did. While I respect her choice, her position in life is inextricably tied to him
and his to her.

[cbayer]

92. Nope, but they would sure be familiar with the name Rodham. nt.

[NC_Nurse]

121. Not necessarily. Sexism is still alive and well as most Hillary supporters will

tell you. She may never have gotten as far without the Clinton name. We'll never know.

I say this as a woman, BTW.

[grassfed]

8. selfdel

dupe

[cliffordu]

12. OUCH!!! That's going to leave a mark.....

:rofl:

[SaveOurDemocracy]

15. I figured you for a Paglia fan ... n/t

[cliffordu]

17. Aw, Wassamatta, you get lonely over on the duMP list??

:rofl: :rofl:

[SaveOurDemocracy]

14. Camille Paglia brought to us by the same oink who...

...likens Hillary Clinton's online supporters to Timothy McVeigh. :puke:


A "typical white person" took out his anger against fellow Americans. Keep that in mind when you see Hillary Clinton's online supporters go batshit insane when their candidate loses in the coming weeks.


http://calitejano.blogspot.com/2008/04/thirteen-years-ago-today.html

[TML]

16. Can't handle the truth?

If you read Taylor Marsh's comments section long enough, you're left with that impression. Actually, a lot of my readers are. :-)

[Name removed]

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[TML]

21. Thanks for the "compliment"

Nice knowing you. :hi:

[boppers]

18. Authenticity you can dye!

This doesn't look like it's gonna end pretty.

[Berry Cool]

36. For once in my life, I agree with Camille Paglia on something.

I may have to go take a shower now.

(Ah, and to think there was a time in my life when I didn't feel comfortable commenting on Paglia in public. I'm glad those days are over.)

[Sparkly]

38. Somebody's quoting Camille Paglia on DU?!?

Oh.... nevermind, no surprise here. :rofl:

[TML]

40. Another one who can't answer basic questions about Hillary

Now that is laughable. :rofl:

[ClericJohnPreston]

48. No

Your "BLOG" covers that all by itself.

:rofl:

[TML]

51. Yeah, but

I don't want to do all the research for them. :rofl:

[ClericJohnPreston]

57. It must have taken you

all of eight seconds to get that nugget from USA Today. Some research :rofl:

[TML]

61. Never used USA Today

Don't read them, either.

Listen, your game is as weak as your laughter. Quit boring me.

[ClericJohnPreston]

64. You have boredom locked up

I read your blog.

[TML]

67. Others disagree

And you're entitled to your opinion.

[ClericJohnPreston]

74. Then again

there is no accounting for taste ;)

[TML]

91. Agreed

Some like it. Some don't. I write for myself and a small circle of friends.

[bonzotex]

43. oh.....Camille Paglia...*sigh*

I don't think Sen Clinton would make the best president, however; if Camille Paglia hates her, there must be something good about Hillary I'm missing.

Rush was giggling and quoting Paglia the other day. No Democrat should court her as an ally. She's above such base things as partisan politics anyway.

As an Obama supporter I'd like to extend my sympathies to The Clinton crowd. Paglia is insufferable shrew who wishes she could have 1% of Hillary's influence.

[depakid]

45. Ressurecting Camile Paglia!

Talk about retro 90's!

[TML]

46. But the questions posed are relevant today.

And we're still not getting the answers.

[ClericJohnPreston]

50. Would that be as relevant as

Timothy McVeigh?

I didn't think it possible, but with your immense writing talents you combined HRC and Timothy McVeigh in the same sentence.

YOU NEED HELP! Too much Kool-Aid dear.

[TML]

54. Is that all you have?

Last week, it was "Leafs suck". Come on. You can do better than this.

[ClericJohnPreston]

56. Are you addled dear?

Who said Leafs suck last week? I posted on Friday, after a substantial hiatus, from loons like you.

Oh, for the record, the Leafs do suck. No playoffs for you. Hope it continues next year as well :)

P.S. GO FLYERS ( from a former Philly guy )

PPS. I have much more. Just try me. I'll wear you out sister.

[TML]

59. I'm not a sister, bro

And stick with the topic while you're at it.

[ClericJohnPreston]

63. I'll wear you out CALI

that better, dear?

You raised the Leafs and attributed something to me that was inaccurate. You can't even stick to your own OP :)

[TML]

66. I'm not female

So why are you calling me dear?

[depakid]

62. Hillary failed a bar exam? Are you kidding me?

Tons of extremely successful people haven't passed the Bar on their first try.

The Bar is as much about hazing prospective lawyers (and fast writing) as it is a test of applying ones knowledge and reasoning under pressure.

[BlooInBloo]

49. Obviously a misogynist.

[Danger Mouse]

52. Please don't be a hypocrite. I hate it when ANYONE uses a RW source

to advance a position, whether its for my side or theirs.

[TML]

55. ...

There's nothing wrong with asking good questions about Hillary's candidacy. As far as I'm concerned, they're fair game.

[ClericJohnPreston]

60. Of course

because all the Kool-Aid drinkers, to quell the voices in their heads, reflexively invoke her name when questioned about their candidate.

I supported Edwards. Obama is the antithesis of my left-wing leanings and beliefs.

[Danger Mouse]

71. can we do it without using rw sources, though?

it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[TML]

73. Fine

I'll look for a LW or Independent one next time, but his one was too good to pass up.

[cbayer]

94. Yeah there is something wrong with it.

If you don't do your homework about who the writer is and what their agenda is, but proceed to post a piece from them because you think it somehow advances your agenda........yeah, there is something really wrong with that. That's how we got Bush. No questions were asked.

[defendandprotect]

69. Paglia . . . the career professional anti-feminist . . . !!!

[AtomicKitten]

70. Clinton is a blustery shell of a pinata filled with hubris and a sense of entitlement.

[TML]

72. Hee hee hee...

You gave me an idea. May 1st is coming up. I'm going to check to see if someone makes Hillary piñatas just for kicks.

I'd rather have one of those small, traditional horse ones though for my work space. :-)

[AtomicKitten]

93. here ya go

[TML]

97. LOL!!!

That is funny!

[madrchsod]

76. yuck.... cami speaks and the world feels the pain

"The argument, therefore, that Hillary's candidacy marks the zenith of modern feminism is specious."


hillary is`t running as a feminist.

[ClayZ]

82. K and R

[DarienComp]

98. Ugh, Camille Paglia.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

[AZBlue]

100. I don't like that she's trying to get elected based on what her husband did.

In last week's debate every other sentence began with "We enacted" or "We created" - um, no, Hillary, your husband did that, it had NOTHING to do with you. Doesn't seem very liberated to me to constantly rely on hubby's accomplishments.
(and these "accomplishments" weren't even always something to brag about!)

[eridani]

104. Paglia not exactly the best source on feminism n/t

[tishaLA]

108. Sweet Jesus I Hate Camille Paglia

[susankh4]

116. Women don't need to be told who to vote for.

Get a life and vote for yourself.

[McCamy Taylor]

117. I ignore threads with "Clintonista" in the OP. It is a Freeper term.

[QC]

124. Well, we have a lot of freepers here now, so it's hardly surprising

that they have brought their lingo with them to their new home.