The dream ticket anyone ? Hillary for VP

[Galway girl]

Hi Folks

I know in the heat of this contest people have come to disliking Obama or Clinton almost more than we want to defeat the Republicans.

Hillary mainly because she is losing has brought this fight down to a very low and damaging level. Maybe that is the way it is in politics. I admire her ability to fight . I truly respect the Clinton's despite what some Obama fans think . The Clinton's did alot of good when they were in the White house . Who can say that they don't miss the 90's before Bush.

I voted for Obama . I will vote for Clinton if she wins . However let's be honest this contest is over . She can't win unless she steals it from Obama or makes every remaining white voter in America turn against he FOR THE WRONG REASONS (ie race).

She is popular in places like PA and OH . I say Hillary we still need you to kick the shit out of McCain and we need OBama to bring some much needed inspiration and hope back to the US and restore or place in the world as peacemakers not warmongers.

I still say Hillary be my VP . We need to unite the Clans because if we are United we cannot be defeated.

When this contest started everyone thought "Fantastic two brilliant candidates" This is still the case . The Republicans are laughing at us. But we have the chance to change that if we would just take the once in a lifetime opportunity to put an African Amercian and a woman in the Whitehouse.

[galaxy21]

1. Obama has a better chance of winning with Hillary, I think

But it won't happen. Her behaviour has ensured that.

[MattNC]

6. exactly

Can't imagine she can walk back some of her statements.

[invictus]

44. Obama will win WITHOUT Hillary. She has too many negatives. n/t

[olkaz]

51. I could not disagree more

If there is one person that the Republicans will rally against and empty their pocketbooks against, it is Hillary Clinton.

Involving her in any way steels the Republicans will against us. They're still bitter and divided over having to run John McCain.

[Arugula Latte]

67. I agree galaxy21. Hillary is like an anchor for our November chances.

Cut her loose, sez I. :)

[YOY]

2. No.

No more DLC. Ever.

[saltpoint]

3. I'm not really very enthused about having Senator Clinton on our ticket,

no matter in which slot, now or ever.

I've just about had enough of "The Clintons" and I've just about had enough of "The Bushes."

I'm interested in new Democrats who will undo the Bush/Cheney damage and renew our commitment to global decency.

Her praise of John McCain at Obama's expense was unpardonable.

[Galway girl]

12. I agree . I am very upset with her .

But if Obama is truly the man to build bridges he could do worse than by starting with his own party . Anyway I still think Hillary is just lashing out because her dreamn has been shattered by a freshman

[Zachstar]

15. Who cares?

Clinton will not be VP period.

[SharonAnn]

34. Attorney General.

[Diamond Dog]

36. Sorry, but that's John Edwards.

[saltpoint]

48. I agree with Diamond Dog on this. Edwards' domestic policies were

the very best of our original 8 candidates' offerings and if he can't be prez I think AG would be perfect.

[Andy823]

54. I agree with you.

We need "new blood" in this race, and Hillary won't do. I can see it now if she were to be VP, McCain would use everything she has said against Obama to show that even his VP running mate doesn't think he would be a good president! Nope Hillary would not help the ticket at all!

[babylonsister]

4. NO! She's the past, he's the future. No more Clintons if I had my way. nt

[PBS Poll-435]

11. Do you have some kind of solution?

No more Clintons if I had my way.

A "final" solution if you will...

[babylonsister]

18. I have lots of faith that Obama and his advisors will

pick the best VP candidate, someone they can work with who would benefit the Dem ticket and us. I don't see Clinton doing that, especially after these contentious primaries.

So no, I don't have a 'final solution', but I imagine Obama might.

[goclark]

27. I don't want HC an BC standing and waiting in the wings

He would have to always have body guards.
I'm serious.

They are too greedy and will stop at nothning.
They are also too close to the Bushclan and McCain.

He would not be able to trust them for one minute.

Bill would always be trying to tell him what to do based on the 90's.

Bad idea.

[City Lights]

50. They have their own agenda and would undermine Obama at every turn. nt

[cali]

70. really? you're actually comparing a DUer's statement that they don't want anymore

Clintons in the White House to the extermination of the Jews? Disgusting.

[PBS Poll-435]

72. IF she didn't take it that way....why should you? nt

Just what are you implying?

[Growler]

75. What did Ignored say?

From your reply, it was extremely stupid....

[AllexxisF1]

5. No.

She is nothing but a liability.


Moreover, (putting on tin foil cap) with Her as VP Obama would be dead in a year.

Yes I said it.


Last thing we need is another JFK\Johnson redux.

[galaxy21]

9. I don't think she'd have him killed....

She's not insane enough to try anything like that.

[HooptieWagon]

24. No, I don't think THAT would happen...

but she would be constantly undermining him, challenging his leadership, and yes, even stabbing him in the back (figuratively). No, I don't want that woman anywhere near the WH, as POTUS OR VPOTUS...

[Window]

28. Dear Lord! Please perish the thought.

[nebula]

32. No doubt about it

That's why Obama needs a VP that would be INSURANCE against anyone thinking about offing him.

That would exclude Hillary. It would be suicide for ANYONE to have someone as ruthless as that as their VP.

We don't need another Gore/Lieberdouche type ticket.

[galaxy21]

35. Dave Chappelle suggested a Hispanic VP

Then the white supremists would have to kill TWO people to get their way.

[nebula]

49. Obama/Richardson

Sounds good to me!

[Yael]

55. Food Taster would become a cabinet post

:P

[AtomicKitten]

7. Events in the campaign have guaranteed that that 's not gonna happen.

[scheming daemons]

8. A thousand times NO! She will spend the time as VP plotting to oust Obama....

Her hunger for power is so great, that she will work behind the scenes to bring him down so she can become President.


She's the worst possible choice.

[Eurobabe]

10. No thanks, let Obama choose another woman if he wants to --

but no more Clintons in the White House. :hi:

[Zachstar]

13. Put Clinton as VP and McCain will be the president.

People are not voting so that the loser gets the VP slot. People are voting to select a good candidate and they expect the candidate to pick a good VP.

Richardson
Boxer
Webb

etc.


There is no damn Dream Ticket. When Clinton decided to go seriously negative she removed that change.

[ScarletSniper]

47. Nunn would be a great choice

[City Lights]

14. Obama/Clinton is a nightmare ticket, IMHO.

She adds nothing but negatives to the ticket.

[Zachstar]

16. Serious Negitives that the republicans will exploit.

[galaxy21]

19. I think she'd carry over the working class viters

It's actually quite tragic...


Clinton as VP would guarantee a win...but her behaviour has guareented it will never happen. Att this point, I think Barack would rather lose than team up with her.


I mean, we're upset with her....but how must he feel? And even if he was in the forgiving mood, Michelle is in his ear, and I have to think she's pissed at HIllary as well.

[Hepburn]

22. I agree...

...putting Hillary on the ticket would lead to defeat.

[meow mix]

17. Boxer or Pelosi, True Democrats. but not Hillary

i cannot stand the thought of clinton greed and bs, being back in the whitehouse.

[harun]

56. Obamas administration will be neo-con free (that means no Hillary) (n/t)

[ecstatic]

20. Would you choose a power hungry back stabber to be your number 2?

Meaning, if something *mysteriously* happened to you, the backstabber could then take over?

[PoliticalAmazon]

21. "Dream ticket"? Try "Nightmare ticket"...

...many Obama supporters simply will not vote for Hillary Clinton, not after the repeated insults she has delivered to Obama supporters simply because they would not vote for her.

In addition, Obama would be burdened by Hillary's relentless ham-fisted power grab. And, sufferin' Jesus! Bill Clinton would be going mano a mano with Obama on a daily basis, trying to weasel his way back into the Oval Office.

And then there is the potential for Bill Clinton's DickGates. As my midwestern mother said, "A skunk doesn't change his stripes overnight." With Bill Clinton near the White House, would we be confronted with "DickGate II," "DickGate:Return of the One-Eyed Monster," and "DickGate:The Saga Continues."

Obama will have enough to do to clean up 8 years of Bush Jr's disasters. Let's not handicap him with the old-thinking, politically corrupt Clintons.

[0007]

23. A beautiful swan song sung in code.

Nothing more nothing less.

[BlooInBloo]

25. Stupid idea, uttered by those with no idea by what criteria veeps are selected.

[pkz]

26. a pen that leaves globs all over the page

If you are an Obama supporter, you come from a completely different place than Hillary.

Think about it, the very reason one would support Obama over her is his message, his style, his sincerity and his message of HOPE & CHANGE

Adding her to the ticket would knock it down a coupla pegs, don't ya think?

A new message doesn't look so good when written with a pen that leaves globs all over the page.

[greguganus]

29. Wonder how long Obama would survive with her as the vp? n/t

[truebrit71]

30. Hillary? No thanks!

..

[Diamond Dog]

33. No. No DLC vee-pee. n/t

[Galway girl]

31. Only one so far likes the idea !!

It shows how bad this competition got . I just hope whoever Obama picks he will fix the damage caused by this fight . Personally I do not consider Mccain difficult to beat . The vetting hasn't begun on him yet.

[mod mom]

37. PLEASE READ THIS ON OHIO:

TWO POINTS:

1. GOP Effort at Cross-over voting-well documented
2. There are still 126,000 (mainly in high Dem urban areas) that have NOT been added to Ohio's totals. There are audits underway in OH and the election has NOT been certified yet.
Links below


Ohio GOP roots for Hillary
BY HOWARD WILKINSON | [e-mail]
E-mail | Print | digg us! | del.icio.us!
One of the worst-kept secrets of the Ohio presidential primary is that Republican party leaders have a candidate they are rooting for on the Democratic side.

Her name is Hillary Clinton, and they believe that if she wins the Ohio primary and goes on to become the Democratic nominee, she will be the one who unites their dispirited and divided party and give them their best chance of keeping the White House this fall.

It is a belief that the Clinton campaign says is wrong-headed and they will campaign across the state for the next three weeks making the argument that their battle-tested, experienced candidate is the only one who can go toe-to-toe with John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee this fall.

-snip

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080213/NEWS01/302130097



A movement is afoot ...

Some Republicans refer to it as "the plot."

It started a few weeks ago when conservative radio powerhouse Rush Limbaugh suggested that his Republican following cross over during the primary to vote for Clinton. Clinton, Limbaugh argued, would be easier for McCain to beat in November.

Soon, local morning radio show host Bob Frantz echoed Limbaugh on WTAM AM/1100, and the buzz began to grow.

-snip

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/03/crossover_voting_was_heavy_and.html





▪ What might have actually happened in Ohio and Texas? Tin foil hat?
▪ Clip:
: "Rush, I understand that the Rush Limbaugh audience is mobilizing in Texas for Hillary. Am I hearing that right?"

: "I don't know if the audience is mobilizing or not. I am urging people — I am using a phrase — the Republicans — our nominee is chosen. It's John McCain.

Texas is open. And I want Hillary to stay in this, Laura. This is too good a soap opera. We need Barack Obama bloodied up politically, and it's obvious that the Republicans are not going to do it and don't have the stomach for it.

As you probably know, we're getting all kinds of memos from the RNC saying not to be critical there. Mark MacKinnon of McCain's campaign says he'll quit if they get critical over Obama.

This is the presidency of the United States you're talking about. I want our party to win. I want the Democrats to lose. They're in the midst of tearing themselves apart right now. It is fascinating to watch, and it's all going to stop if Hillary loses.

So yes, I'm asking to cross over and, if they can stomach it — I know it's a difficult thing to do to vote for a Clinton — but it will sustain this soap opera, and it's something I think we need. It would be fun, too."

http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=609&Itemid=113




16,000 Republicans in Cuyahoga crossed over and voted Democratic in primary

Source: Plain Dealer

16,000 Republicans in Cuyahoga crossed over and voted Democratic in primary
Sunday, March 09, 2008
Amanda Garrett
Plain Dealer Reporter

A staggering 16,000-plus Republicans in Cuyahoga County switched parties when they voted in last week's primary.

That includes 931 in Rocky River, 1,027 in Westlake and 1,142 in Strongsville. More than a third of the Republicans in Solon and Bay Village switched. Pepper Pike had the most dramatic change: just under half its Republicans became Democrats. And some of those who changed - it's difficult to say how many - could be in trouble with the law.

At least one member of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections wants to investigate some Republicans who may have crossed party lines only to influence which Democrat would face presumed Republican nominee John McCain in November.


Those who crossed lines were supposed to sign a pledge card vowing allegiance to their new party...

-snip
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/120505162549970.xml&coll=2







http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3513.19


(B) When the right of a person to vote is challenged upon the ground set forth in division (A)(3) of this section, membership in or political affiliation with a political party shall be determined by the person’s statement, made under penalty of election falsification, that the person desires to be affiliated with and supports the principles of the political party whose primary ballot the person desires to vote.


Cross-over voting under Ohio law


March 4, 2008

Edward B. Foley
Director, Election Law @ Moritz
Robert M. Duncan/Jones Day Designated Professor of Law
Moritz College of Law


Blogs at both the Plain Dealer and Dispatch are reporting Republican cross-over votes in the Democratic candidate for Senator Clinton on the ground that she would be an easier nominee for Senator McCain to beat. It is unclear how widespread this phenomenon is and whether, if calculable, could make a difference in either the statewide total popular vote or the awarding of delegates between Senators Clinton and Obama. There is also the question whether it is legal, and if not, whether it is remediable in any way.

Although it is widely reported that Ohio permits Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary (and vice versa), that is not technically true. Ohio law does permit voters to switch party affiliation on the day of the primary, but it has a rather awkward mechanism that attempts to ascertain that the switch is sincere—and to prevent insincere “party-raiding” of the kind that (as described above) is being reported today.

Section 3513.19 of the Ohio Revised Code states that it is the “duty” of poll workers in Ohio “to challenge the right of person to vote” in a particular party’s primary if a poll worker “doubts” the person’s eligibility based on the ground (among others) that the person is "not affiliated with or is not a member of the political party whose ballot the person desires to vote.” The same section further specifies that the poll worker is to determine the voter’s previous party affiliation by examining the voting records of the past two years. If those records show the voter to be a Republican, for example, then before giving the voter a Democratic ballot in the current primary, the statute then directs the poll worker to have the voter sign a “statement, made under penalty of election falsification, that the person desires to be affiliated with and supports the principles of the political party whose primary ballot the person desires to vote.”

-snip


But what of the possibility of a suit in federal court? Senator Obama theoretically could claim that the variable enforcement of this state law in different precincts violates the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution as interpreted in Bush v. Gore. That claim might not be ultimately meritorious, but it cannot be rejected out of hand for the reasons I have explained in an extended analysis of this Equal Protection precedent (as well as in a follow-up piece).

-snip
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/freefair/articles.php?ID=367


I

An Obama-Hater for Clinton, Temporarily
BY JASON HOROWITZ | MARCH 5, 2008 |

Meet Todd Appelbaum, a 46-year-old from Columbus, who wore a shirt that says “Osama for Obama” to the Clinton campaign’s election-night event in Ohio last night.
The white t-shirt, with an image of Barack Obama dressed in traditional Somali garb, is adorned with a blue Hillary Clinton button, although Appelbaum is not what one would call a real Hillary Clinton supporter.
“I voted for Hillary today,” he said, “because I’m concerned that, God forbid, Barack Obama will beat McCain. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
http://www.observer.com/2008/obama-hater-clinton-temporarily


STILL UNCOUNTED: 126,443 PROVISIONAL BALLOTS FROM OHIO

There were 126,443 provisional ballots cast statewide in the March 4 primary, compared with 129,432 votes cast in the 2006 general election, when there were 735,000 more voters than in last week's election.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=499074


BTW-I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO YOUR SUGGESTION.

[dchill]

38. "Hillary for VP"

Not this time.

[billyoc]

39. I hope you mean VP of Burson Marsteller.

No more DLC. Ever.

[Connie_Corleone]

40. HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!

[ScarletSniper]

41. No.

[madrchsod]

42. it would be a disaster

[HooptieWagon]

43. She's not been fully vetted.

Her lies and hidden financial dealings would be a vast amount of ammunition for the GOP... she'd be a liability for Obama's GE campaign.

[havocmom]

45. NO! Two Senators on the ticket is one too many

And Hillary has too much negative baggage, most of her own making in just the past few months.

A DEM President needs a solid DEM majority on the Hill to even come close to fixing what bush/cheney have broken. Hill on the Hill.

[MadHound]

46. Hillary anywhere on a ticket is poison

For the simple reason that the name Clinton will bring out RW voters in droves. They won't care if it's McCain or a dead dog they're voting for, all they will want to do is vote against Clinton.

Her name is political poison in much of the country and shouldn't be on the ticket.

[NorthCarolina]

52. No, she's not only a former Republican but she's now a DLC Democrat

both disqualify her for public office in my opinion.

[Yael]

53. She would sink that ticket faster than throwing a rock in a river.

No thanks. She can take her brand of scorched-earth politics and crawl back under the rock she came from.

[cosmicsheep]

57. No thanks

Can't think of a worse choice.

[Upton]

58. Her negatives are way too high

as poll after poll illustrates, the majority of the country find her dishonest and untrustworthy. She's bad for the party either at the top or as a VP.

[mamalone]

59. Truthfully...

I think Hillary would be a drag on Obama. She has too many negatives. What would she bring to the ticket other than possibly the folks who are dead set on her and against Obama? In truth I think these people would be so irritated that she was in second spot they'd be unlikely to vote for the ticket anyway.

[Hamlette]

60. The Clintons would take all the air out of an Obama presidency

We'd spend all our time as a nation talking about Bill's bimbos, etc.

[Avalux]

61. NO. Hillary would do Obama no favors.

He would be president but the media circus would be all about her and Bill (the third wheel). I wouldn't expect her to support Obama - she would have running again in 2012 in the back of her mind which would influence her actions.

[redqueen]

62. Ugh.

[yourguide]

63. McCain/Hillary - perfect.

dems assured a win against that ticket.

[onehandle]

64. It would either save DU or tear it apart once and for all.

Either way, high entertainment value.

:popcorn:

[WA98296]

65. The repubs WANT her on the ticket, I sure don't.

[peoli]

66. no clintons for 2008

[liberaldem4ever]

68. Senator Clinton is a bad choice

Two Senators on the same ticket is a hard sell. I think Obama needs a VP with a lot of National Security experience. I also think Bill Richardson is a good person for him to consider. I wish Wes Clark wasn't pro-Hillary because I think he would be an great VP choice. I doubt that he would do it if Obama asked him. Too bad.

[IDemo]

69. A thousand, a trillion, a brazillion times NO

The 'Dream Team', if it ever indeed existed, became the Nightmare Team a long time ago. It was disgusting to see Charlie Gibson ask both to take a pledge to support the idea (then again, it was just plain disgusting watching the entire fiasco).

Barack can and will do better than pick her as his VP.

[bowens43]

71. Any ticket that includes Hillary is a loser.,

I don't think that Obama is going to make that kind of mistake.

[CK dexter]

73. A combined ticket is a sure loser: they're combined disadvantages exponentially multiplied

Let's get real--I'm astonished so many democrats keep pushing this.

It's a serious challenge to get this country to elect either a woman or a black man. We can do it, but it will require a tough fight. If you put them both on one ticket, there's no chance in hell. The combined hate and motivation of all of the nation's suppressed sexism and racism would create a landlside victory for McCain.

It's an instant lose. Come back to planet earth.

[Growler]

74. Obama doesn't need Hillary

Plus she represents everything he is campaigning against: the entrenched, corporate "gotcha" politics of the beltway. This is a non-starter for Obama.

[On the Road]

76. What Bothers Me is Not So Much Hillary

but Bill. With him hanging around on the periphery, no one will know who's in charge. It would be like a CEO retiring and taking some nominal honorary executive post. Not a great situation.

This is not a reflection on Hillary BTW. I just think that if Obama wins, he needs to create his own team with him clearly in charge.

[Pisces]

77. No way, she can forget it.

[Galway girl]

78. Thanks for the replies

45 said no 1 said yes. I assume HRC fans would feel the same way about Barack Obama . That folks might turn out to be the problem when this is all over . I hope and pray that 08 does not become 101 how to lose a Presidential Election that was in the bag.

However i still think Obama will beat McCain decisively .

[newmajority]

79. Reward Hillary for what she has tried to do to this party?

FUCK THAT SHIT!! :grr:

[cyndensco]

80. I'm crazy about Obama

but would seriously wonder about his judgement if he chose HC as his running mate. I wish he would have denounced and rejected the possibility when asked in the debate.