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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:41 AM
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Primary MATH Made Easy with the Delegate Calculator
Primary MATH Made Easy with the Delegate Calculator
TruthIsAll    http://www.geocities.com/electionmodel/ThePrimaryMATHCalculator.htm

OK, let’s assume that Hillary wins each remaining primary by 20%.
I know you don’t believe this would ever happen. But let’s play what-if.
In this outrageous scenario, assume HRC wins PA, NC, IN and all other states by 60–40%.

Even assuming this ridiculous scenario, Obama would still lead in pledged delegates by 1643-1595.
He already has 232 super delegates, so he would need just 149 (49%) of the 303 uncommitted SDs to clinch the nomination.

Now download the Excel Delegate Calculator and run your own scenarios.


DELEGATE CALCULATOR
TruthIsAll

PRE- MARCH 4 Pledged Vote share % Delegates
Delegates BO HRC BO HRC

Total 2253 52.3% 47.7% 1207 1046

POST-MARCH 4
Pledged Vote share % Delegates
Delegates BO HRC BO HRC

03/04 OH 141 45 55 65 76
03/04 RI 21 41 59 8 13
03/04 TX 193 47 51 99 94
03/04 VT 15 59 39 9 6
03/08 WY 12 61 38 7 5
03/11 MS 33 61 37 20 13
Total 415 48.0% 52.0% 208 207

CURRENT TOTAL 2668 51.4% 48.6% 1415 1253
PROJECTED                       Vote share %           Delegates
Date Delegates BO HRC BO HRC

04/22 PA 158 40 60 63 95
05/03 Guam 4 40 60 2 2
05/06 IN 72 40 60 29 43
05/06 NC 116 40 60 46 70
05/13 WV 28 40 60 11 17
05/20 KY 52 40 60 21 31
05/20 OR 52 40 60 21 31
06/01 PR 56 40 60 22 34
06/03 MT 16 40 60 6 10
06/03 SD 16 40 60 6 10
Total 570 40.0% 60.0% 228 342

TOTAL PROJECTED 3238 49.4% 50.6% 1643 1595

FLORIDA & MICHIGAN              Vote share %           Delegates
Date Delegates BO HRC BO HRC

-TBD- FL 186 50 50 93 93
-TBD- MI 128 50 50 64 64
Total 314 50.0% 50.0% 157 157

TOTAL PROJECTED 3552 49.4% 50.6% 1800 1752


                Pledged Delegates          Super         Total
Current Projected Current Projected
Obama 1415 228 232 1875
Clinton 1253 342 259 1854
Remain 303 303
Total 2668 570 794 4032





Sensitivity Analysis
                                 Obama Projected Share of Remaining Pledged Delegates
Delegates 36% 38% 40% 42% 4% 46% 48% 50% 52% 54%
Pledged
BO 205 217 228 239 251 262 274 285 296 308
HRC 365 353 342 331 319 308 296 285 274 262

Projected Total Pledged
BO 1620 1632 1643 1654 1666 1677 1689 1700 1711 1723
HRC 1618 1606 1595 1584 1572 1561 1549 1538 1527 1515
Diff 2 25 48 71 94 116 139 162 185 208

Projected Pledged + Current Super
BO 1848 1860 1871 1882 1894 1905 1917 1928 1939 1951
HRC 1873 1861 1850 1839 1827 1816 1804 1793 1782 1770
Diff (25) (2) 21 44 67 89 112 135 158 181

Incl FL/MI
BO 2005 2017 2028 2039 2051 2062 2074 2085 2096 2108
HRC 2030 2018 2007 1996 1984 1973 1961 1950 1939 1927
Diff (25) (2) 21 44 67 89 112 135 158 181

Super (w/o FL/MI) Obama Share of Uncommitted Super Delegates Needed to Clinch
Delegates 176 164 153 142 130 119 107 96 85 73
Share 56.5% 52.9% 49.2% 45.5% 41.9% 38.2% 34.5% 30.9% 27.2% 23.5%





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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:45 AM
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1. I'm certain that you will be chastised for making mathematical sense here...
So you better get your flame retardant suit ready....
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floridablue Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:56 AM
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2. flame flame
So if Senator Clinton got all the Florida and Michigan votes as she should, that would project her has the winner would it not?
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:00 PM
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3. no - it doesn't ! I ran that once and she's still short - by just a
few - but still short. I actually have no problem with counting
FL as is. But, since his name wasn't even a choice in MI - I'd
have to have a re-run or something on that one.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:01 PM
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4. It's been well-known....
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 12:03 PM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: From almost a month ago:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chip-collis/top-10-myths-keeping-hill_b_94207.html

"Top 10 Myths Keeping Hillary in the Race
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Myth: Very well, then, Mr. Smarty-Math. But if we counted Michigan and Florida, THEN Hillary would be winning!

Nooo, she wouldn't. The margin would depend on how you allocate the delegates, but Obama would still be ahead. And he'd still be about 100,000 ahead in the popular vote, too, despite not even being on the ballot in Michigan. However, it would enhance Hillary's chances of catching up in the remaining races.

Myth: Ah HA! So Dean is keeping them out just to help Obama! And Obama is keeping them out.

That's two myths, but I'll treat it like one. The only people who can come up with a solution to this problem are the states themselves, to be presented to the Rules and Regulations Committee of the DNC for ratification. It was Rules and Regs, not Howard Dean, who ruled that Florida and Michigan were breaking the rules when they presented their original primary plans. If the two states cannot come up with a plan to reselect delegates, they can try to seat whatever delegates were chosen in the discounted primaries by appealing to the Democratic Convention's Credentialing Committee, which includes many members from Rules and Bylaws.

Myth: If they don't get seated until the convention but a nominee is selected before these poor people get counted then these states are disenfranchised.

There are two ways to debunk this myth: semantically and practically. The first is based on the word "disenfranchised:" these people have not been deprived of their right to vote. Through the actions of their states, their votes don't impact the outcome. Now, you may say that that is specious semantics (Myth: I do say that!) but practically speaking, this is the usual effect of the nominating process, anyway. All of the Republican primaries since McCain clinched the nomination have been meaningless, but those voters are not disenfranchised.

Florida and Michigan tried to become more relevant in the process by breaking the rules. They risked becoming irrelevant instead.

Myth: Well, I say they are disenfranchised, and Hillary Clinton is their champion.

Only when it suits her. Last fall, when the decision was first made to flush 100% of Michigan and Florida delegates, Clinton firmly ratified it. That was because the typical punishment of only 50% representation also kept the candidates from raising money in those states. Figuring that she would wrap up the nomination handily anyway, the clear front-runner agreed with all the other candidates - including Obama - to completely "disenfranchise" those two states.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:19 PM
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5. TRUTHISALL! Oh it's been too long since I saw that name!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:43 PM
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8. Long time indeed. Is that poster still with us here at DU?
n/t
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:51 PM
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9. good timing
A nice reception for the original "To Believe Bush Won.."

I added a list updated just this March by TIA, originally posted on geocities.com





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bobbert Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:25 PM
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6. deleted
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 12:27 PM by bobbert
I just realized the OP isn't a crazy Hillbot
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:16 AM
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12. K!
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:41 PM
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7. K & R !
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:53 PM
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10. I LOVE MATH!!!!
:hi:
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:20 PM
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11. April 23 Update -- PA primary results are now included in the updated Excel Delegate Calculator:
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 02:22 PM by tiptoe
Download the model and run your own scenarios:
http://www.geocities.com/electionmodel/DelegateCalculator.htm

Obama currently leads Clinton by 1488-1338 in pledged delegates.
On Feb. 20, Clinton led Obama by 81 super delegates (246-165). Her lead has been cut to 24 (262-238).

For Clinton to catch Obama in pledged delegates, she needs 68% of the vote in the remaining primaries.
If Obama wins 50% of the remaining pledged delegates, he will need just 32% of the 295 uncommitted super delegates to clinch the nomination.

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This is a graph of the required super delegates () needed by Obama to win the nomination over various projected primary vote shares.
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