Are You Cool With Clinton Running an Osama Bin Laden Ad Against a Democrat?

[DrFunkenstein]

Clinton made her closing arguments Monday for the biggest primary left on the election schedule, running an ad with historic images to ask voters whom they would trust most in the White House during a time of trouble. It's the same tactic she used successfully in the "3 a.m." ad she aired in the closing days of the Ohio and Texas contests last month.

It was the first time a Democratic candidate has used bin Laden in a campaign commercial in the 2008 race for the White House. The terrorist appears along with images from the stock market crash, the bombing at Pearl Harbor, the Soviet threat, the collapse of the Berlin Wall and Hurricane Katrina as an announcer tells voters the political contest is for "the most important job in the world."

"You need to be ready for anything, especially now, with two wars, oil prices skyrocketing and an economy in crisis. Harry Truman said it best, `If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.' Who do you think has what it takes?" the announcer says at the end, as Clinton appears on screen.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the ad "plays the politics of fear." And he said Clinton is to blame for allowing bin Laden to escape by supporting war in Iraq and diverting the U.S. military.

"It's ironic that she would borrow the president's tactics in her own campaign and invoke bin Laden to score political points," Burton said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_on_el_pr/democrats;_ylt=As7OqJnTQSeCwATvUUptZ5xWr7sF

I have to admit that the element of surprise has completely left me. Nothing surprises me about the Clinton campaign anymore. Especially because she dramatically invoked 9/11 to justify her vote to authorize the invasion of Iraq.

Here is her closing note of the floor speech she delivered before granting Bush authority to invade:

"I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am."

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

[Adelante]

1. Not at all cool with it

Not even a little bit cool with it. In no way cool with it.

[roguevalley]

130. she is fanning the hate flame. no. I hope it burns her.

[XemaSab]

2. I'm torn

On one hand, I think it's a dick move. :evilfrown:

On the other hand, if it's Hillary who looks like the dick, more power to her. :evilgrin:

[Buzz Clik]

45. Indeed.

She's pissing in her own drinking fountain. Whatever turns her on I guess.

[krkaufman]

136. Who's to say that's not what she's into. n/t

(metaphorically speaking, of course)

[Cha]

55. Well said,

Xema!

[EFerrari]

3. No No more than when Bill ran an anti gay ad in 1996. n/t

[redqueen]

6. Say what?

[EFerrari]

9. I just found out about this yesterday.

In 1996, I was a single mom in grad school and apparently, missed EVERYTHING.

I'm still putting links together but here's one:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/the-clintons--2.html

[redqueen]

28. Damn...

just damn.

I had pretty much tuned out on election year politics at that time out of sheer disappoinment. I knew I'd be holding my nose.

[EFerrari]

39. Sometimes I miss being so completely effing clueless.

:(

[DerekJ]

35. WOW ,,, !!

[cbayer]

71. Do you have any other links on this? I am skeptical for several reasons.

First, because it is Andrew Sullivan.

Second, there is no transcript of an ad or link to an ad.

Third, the NYT article he references by Title is not linked and does not appear anywhere in a Google Search.

Fourth, this is a continuation of a previous article where he emphatically states that Bill Clinton was on Limbaugh. You may believe that happened, but I am unequivocally convinced that it did not.

I am not saying that this did or did not happen. I just think it would be prudent to have some more substantial information before putting it out there.

[EFerrari]

74. Do you not have access to a search engine?

[cbayer]

82. Did not mean to offend.

You said you were gathering sources and I was asking if you had any to share.

Never mind.

[EFerrari]

85. I'm sorry to be testy. Here's a link to the Yahoo! search I did:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Clinton+anti+gay+ad+1996&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

[cbayer]

99. OK, thanks.

I agree that the ads included a statement about him signing DOMA. I really don't want either of our candidates to be painted as anti-gay. I think they both will work hard for equal rights and civil liberties. It seems to me it would be very sad if anyone tries to paint Hillary Clinton as anti-gay. Very sad.

[EFerrari]

102. Neither of them have been pro gay civil rights.

And Hillary can't run on her record AND on Bill's without taking responsibility for his ads.

We don't need to paint them as anti-gay. It's up to them to take a pubic position.

[cbayer]

108. I have had several discussions here on DU and with some of my friends about this.

I felt that they should come out more clearly and vocally in support of LGBT civil rights. What I got back from LGBT people was that it was not politically viable to do that. I found that rather startling, but what do I know? However, I was also told that there was belief in the community that both candidates would advance the cause even if they couldn't say it as loudly as I would like them to.

[EFerrari]

110. I am guilty of holding the same position AND I'm not at all sure

if that position is one that will get us anywhere but endless backsliding.

[cbayer]

112. That's what I fear.

What other group would we tell to just be quiet and bide their time. Pat, pat on the head - it will be fine, trust us.

I don't like it at all. So what if it's not politically expedient. It's a stand that needs to be taken and taken now. When kids are being shot in the head in a classroom because they are gay, I don't think any right minded individual can say that this is an issue too delicate to touch.

Anyway, I really want to do whatever I can to help and I don't want this issue to be used as a weapon, unless we are going to use it against Republican nominees.

Just my two cents.

[EFerrari]

117. I myself am not willing to play patty cakes with other people's rights.

And, by the same token, I really don't know what to do besides speak and act up whenever possible.

And if any politician tries to sell me on the idea that "the American people" aren't ready to uphold their own Constitution, well, I'm going to disagree and I'm going to disagree as loudly as I can.

I don't see a problem. American citizens have certain rights. That's all.

[Catherina]

78. But but Hillary marched in a gay parade

and it's not that she's sending Chelsea into gay bars because she doesn't want to appear anti-gay, it's because Gay Pride is in June :shrug:

Obama has a heap of support in the gay community. All you see on Castro street are Obama signs.

Great find.

[EFerrari]

84. What we're left with is who is less openly anti-Gay.

And as an honorary gay person, I HATE THAT.

Are we so whipped that we can't stand up for ourselves?

I don't know what the solution is, or, even, what a good strategery is. But this makes me madder than just about anything except to see them all dancing around ending this war crime.

[Catherina]

116. My L sister is the one who turned me onto Obama

She's very good at cutting through bullshit.

The Clintons use people. They use everyone and anyone to get where they want. It hurts when you find out your special group was used but I'd rather know. Is your big problem not knowing how to break the news kindly? Maybe Dwickham and David Z could help? I'd offer but I don't have your patience because I think many of the people screaming the loudest about how great the Clintons are on Gay issues have other motivations. You can just reach the reasonable people and lurkers who depend on this place for good information.

[EFerrari]

120. I don't have any problem talking truth unless

what I say will instantly make people shut down. Because then, it's worse than saying nothing.

Maybe David can do a better job than I can. :shrug:

[Catherina]

122. I got the idea you weren't

;)

I'd talk to both David, Dwickham and also send it to all the gay sites trying to help LGBTers make a reasoned choice. The 2 Ds probably have better advice.

[EFerrari]

125. I bet they do, and look forward to hearing their thoughts.

I'm so COMPLETELY out of patience with politicians, with apologists, with stupidity.

What the f#ck are we waiting for.

Good thing I'm no spokesperson for anyone.

[David Zephyr]

89. Suggestion.

Could you post this in the GLBT forum. If not, can I?

[EFerrari]

105. If you want to, that's fine.

I don't want to just keep upsetting people. I don't see any use in it.

I've been critical of Newsom and people have gotten very upset. That's understandable. Well, the same situation seems to hold with Clinton. When the cameras roll. But, I can't see a productive way of having this discussion . If you can, more power to you.

[mod mom]

131. WOW I wonder if gays who support her know this-UFB!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. Yup.

Clinton ran ads on his support of DOMA on fundamentalist christian radio.

[redqueen]

33. I wonder why they get a pass for *personally* pandering to anti-gay bigots.

:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. The Obama haters never really cared about homophobia.

It was a front the whole time.

[EFerrari]

49. Right. But some of our long time DU friends in the GLBT community

have been had by these people. And THAT pisses me off.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

62. I wouldn't assume they're as friendly as they appear to be.

[EFerrari]

69. I have friends in our DU GLBT community that have stood by me through everything.

Poverty, craziness, cancer, violence, jail, death.

I try not to assume anything about anyone. But, who your friends are gets pretty clear when the manure hits the rotating member. :)

ETA: I'm still in love with you, P, and I'll have a sex change, plastic surgery AND stop smoking for you. :rofl:

[Catherina]

That was clear from the start and one of the more disgusing aspects of her support n/t

[EFerrari]

47. Because our gay bros and sisters need a helluva lot more support

and vocal support so they won't have to resort to relying on people like the Clintons.

That's how.

[ecstatic]

44. One of Clinton's homophobic radio ads which aired on Christian Radio stations:

> CLINTON CHRISTIAN RADIO AD
> :60 SECONDS
> TRANSCRIBED OCTOBER 14, 1996
>
> Protecting religious freedom. It's the foundation of our nation.
>
> When the Justice Department went after a church to gather the
> parishioners' tithing money, the government was stopped cold because
> President Clinton overturned the government's policy and protected us.
>
> It's not the only time he's defended our values.
>
> Don't be misled by Bob Dole's attack ads.
>
> President Clinton wants a complete ban on late term abortions except
> when the mother's life is in danger or faces severe health risks, such
> as the inability to have another child.
>
> The President signed the Defense of Marriage Act, supports curfews and
> school uniforms to teach our children discipline.
>
> The President enacted the V-chip to block out violent TV programs. His
> crime bill expanded the death penalty for drug kingpins.
>
> Bob Dole opposed him and is resorting to untrue negative attacks.
>
> President Clinton has fought for our values and America is better for
> it.
>
> Paid for by Clinton/Gore 96.

http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/pen-l/1996m10.c/msg00060.htm

[XemaSab]

48. Go post that in an OP

:thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

51. I really don't feel good about upsetting already upset people more.

There HAS TO BE a better way to stand up for our peeps than to tear down someone they trusted. :(

[redqueen]

60. Is it tearing them down?

Or just pointing out who they really are?

[EFerrari]

63. If it's too painful to hear, it does no good.

And, in truth, I'm not happy with Obama OR with Clinton's dancing around gay civil rights. It's understandable but only in the context of our retrograde politics. We all deserve better.

[Justitia]

146. I'm always surprised to find out how many don't know about this. It was classic "triangulation"

by the Clintons.

I spoke about it last week (I believe) on a thread and was called a liar by a Clinton supporter.
They simply refuse to believe anything (even historical) perceived to be negative by their "girl".

I gave up, they are welcome to their ignorance. Oh well.

Unfortunately those disgusting commercials were only one of many examples of their "triangulation" strategies. Lotsa folks went under the Clinton bus in the 90s.

[redqueen]

4. No way am I cool with that.

She's alienated so many voters, and she doesn't care at all.

[BlooInBloo]

5. Yes, because this is the practice before the real game....

... Of course it's shitty of Clinton and her supporters, but that's just who they are. At least they serve the useful purpose of a rehearsal run before the big dance on Friday.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

11. but she's alienating our side's own voters from our side's probable nominee....

why can't she draw support, instead of trying to frighten it off?

[BlooInBloo]

17. Better to encounter & solve the problem now than later....

EDIT: As to the why part: that's just all that's left of Clinton after decades of abuse, and that's all that's left of her supporters - hopeless negativity.

[yourguide]

26. So why all the yelling and screaming about obama

when they elbow back every now and again if it's only practice?

[BlooInBloo]

34. Eh?

[anigbrowl]

7. No, I'm disappointed in her

It's so primitive it's almost laughable.

[lisa58]

8. no

[DJ13]

10. Clintons excuse is she's running a Republican campaign against Obama.....

.......so that McCain doesnt have to.

[Cha]

66. It's excellent that Burton stated this in response..

"Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the ad "plays the politics of fear." And he said Clinton is to blame for allowing bin Laden to escape by supporting war in Iraq and diverting the U.S. military."

[Life Long Dem]

12. Who would be cool with it?

I thought everyone was against Bush's politics of fear? :scared:

[islandmkl]

13. among other things....

Hillary, you ain't no Harry. When Harry Truman called someone a 'son of a bitch' people would look into the named party's family to check the veracity....

now, it's just throw the gasoline, light the matches, and invoke a dead President's name...

it might be democracy, but it ain't Democratic...

[mmonk]

14. She won't win with it.

Most democrats have an IQ over 30.

[AtomicKitten]

15. It's absolutely despicable so, no, I'm not cool with it. She's officially running as a Republican.

[NightWatcher]

16. fuck her. she has gone into "Uber Republican" mode.

I almost expect a full meltdown sometime in the next two days

[Jane Austin]

18. Hell No! . . . . . eom

[Generator]

20. The thing I've noticed about Hillary

is if you pay any attention at all-she does something to piss you the hell off-every single damn day. Something anti-Democratic party, anti-progressive, anti-freedom, pro-war. Those are her grab bag.

[NC_Nurse]

21. At this point, her campaign is such a joke I really don't give a damn.

The more shit like this she pulls the further she will fall after this primary.
After all the poo she's flung, I wonder if she'll hang on to her Senate seat.
If she does, it will only be because she's well known, IMO.

[undeterred]

22. That would make me despise the Clintons even more

than I already do. She has nothing to gain by doing it; everyone will hate her forever.

[undeterred]

23. That would make me despise the Clintons even more

than I already do. She has nothing to gain by doing it; everyone will hate her forever.

[SeattleGirl]

24. No.

I hate that shit when the Republicans do it, and I hate it even more when a Democrat does it.

[The Stranger]

25. I will never vote for Hillary, and I will actively campaign against her for the foreseeable future.

She is no longer a Democrat, and I and others are free to do so.

[americanstranger]

27. I'm pretty angry about it.

I'm a New Yorker, and if she's using that as a justification for sliming a fellow Dem, she might want to think of going into another line of work when her Senate term concludes.

That shit don't wash, lady. We went through the fires of hell, but we also moved on from the fear. You have no right to try and capitalize on a fear that most real New Yorkers deal with and do not let rule their lives.

You have no business, Senator, using New Yorkers as an excuse for a tawdry, Rovian campaign ad. In a fucking primary, no less.

She won't get another vote from me. I'll max out my contribution to whoever decides to run against her for the Senate seat.

- as

[QC]

29. No, not cool with it at all.

Having said that, however, we all know that we will see far worse out of the Republicans this fall. Anyone who thinks that this primary has been rough will be reaching for the smelling salts once September comes.

[MagickMuffin]

88. I guess the republicons can just use her ad

Yeah, That's the ticket.

EDIT: typo

[QC]

Don't worry--they can make their own, and they will be much rougher

than anything we have seen so far. These are, after all, the people who brought us Willie Horton and accused Max Cleland of being Osama's best pal. Nastiness is a point of pride with Republicans.

[TexasObserver]

30. No, I'm not OK with it, and now consider her a DINO like Lieberman and Zell Miller.

She is repulsive.

[anonymous171]

31. No I'm not. She's really pushing it.

[Independent-Voter]

32. God damn she's a fucking shrew!

[DearAbby]

36. That is the fecking change Clintons stand for?

More of the same? What is this shit?
Come on Clinton Supporters, what is your response to this shit?

[Ichingcarpenter]

38. Bill Clinton honored 'the United Daughters of the Confederacy '

The White House

Washington

June 21, 1994

I am delighted to honor the United Daughters of the Confederacy as you celebrate your 100th anniversary.

One of the most rewarding of human experiences is the coming together of people to share common experiences and interests. For 100 years, the United Daughters of the Confederacy has maintained and built upon the wonderful legacy of your founders. The strength of your organization today is a testament of the vision of your founders and to your commitment to your shared goals.

I congratulate you on your achievement, and I extend best wishes for many years of continuing success.

Bill Clinton





http://blackcommentator.com/274/274_clinton_udc_1_contents_page.html

[redqueen]

42. !!!!!

:puke:

[Buzz Clik]

40. In October of 2007, I was solidly on the fence -- I was happy with all candidates.

Some of the candidates starting dropping, and Obama started rising. When Obama become a threat, Clinton sent out the attack dogs while Obama was still running 100% positive in every aspect of his campaign. I converted to Obama at that point and never looked back.

Clinton has run many, many ads that are inexcusable. Unforgivable.

[caseycoon]

41. K&R It is beyond disgusting n/t

[Why Syzygy]

43. Her 3 AM ad BOMBED in Texas. It wasn't aired in Ohio, IIRC.

It was largely responsible for GOTV for the caucuses.

Of course her garbage is not "okay". She's part of the problem.

[Debi]

50. Since it ran on MSNBC/CNN/FAUX so many times it pretty much DID run in Ohio

I agree, her garbage is no 'okay'! x(

[SoCalDem]

46. Ask this guy

[Az_lefty]

52. Hell No! It's a Rovian tactic that will only rally the publicans...

and their answer will be McCain. Thanks Hillary, you dumb-ass!

[Cha]

53. I know I sure as hell wouldn't trust

hilary as far as I could throw my kitchen sink. hilary's all about :silly: & keeping people :scared:

She'll stoop to anything..she's a monster and Samantha Powers has been proven right over and over again. Samantha was the one who said aloud what so many Democrats are thinking.

[ScarletSniper]

It's vile and disgusting. But I'm not surprised by anything anymore when it comes to the Clintons

[guruoo]

54. Guess you guys should have thought of that before you RW'ed her.

[scheming daemons]

56. Wow... talk about projection....

[guruoo]

109. monicamonica monicamonica monicamonica monicamonica monicamonica

Ken sez: Gooo big O! Gratz for finishing the job, suckers!

[Major Hogwash]

137. That's because Bubba did get blowjobs in the White House.

And when the FACTS hit you in the face, you have to face the facts!

That's all there is to it.

Hillary will never be President.

NEVER!

Get over it.

[redqueen]

64. What?

:wtf:

[DemGa]

65. Yup -- NT

[dionysus]

87. are you high?

[Cha]

75. hilary's Swiftboating herself...she should have

thought of a few things before her campaign started..like maybe she wasn't so fucking inevitable after all..especially when some real candidates got into the primary.

The kind that can run on their records and not have to use karl rove tactics because they're such Losers like bush.

[pdxmom]

57. Not cool with it at all. And her use of Terra, Terra, Terra on the very

day that she is going to sit down with KO isn't very smart either, IMO. I'm wondering how Keith is going to approach this with her, or if he will at all. He loves to point out the fear-mongering of BushCo.

[anonymous171]

58. I hope he pounds her on it. HARD

[VenusRising]

59. I'm pretty fucking far from okay with it.

I am so over the Clintons I can't even stand the sight or sound of either of them any more. That's really sad because I loved them as a political family. But at some point you have to leave an abusive relationship, and they have been abusing the voters during this campaign. They love us, they hate us, but they love us, and then they lie to us, and then they throw us under the bus. Whatever. I'm done with them. :puke:

[americanstranger]

73. Thanks for the 'Pulp Fiction' ref!

I still love that movie.

- as

[VenusRising]

81. It's a modern classic.

B-)

[BklynChick]

61. are you freaking kidding?

[RiverStone]

67. Right out of Rove's playbook

Totally shameless at that.

Her desire to win at the cost of Obama's reputation is amazing.

Thankfully, the politics of fear is no longer playing well.

[DemGa]

76. I think Rove is more like whisper campaigns -- assault on character

Like surreptitiously impugning someone's honesty - repeatedly and broadly. Exactly what St. Obama and his campaign did to Hillary Clinton.

[RiverStone]

114. Hillary did it to Hillary

Amazing how we two dedicated dems can look at the same thing, and see reality so differently.

Hillary has lost the capacity to be seen as honest because her fear mongering tactics were and are so transparent.

Alas DemGa, we argue like this is religion - we can agree to disagree.

Lets just say when the dust settles, I hope we find the key to uniting against a far greater threat then our opposition candidate within the party, that would be McSame.

BTW, I grew up just north of Atlanta. That was during the Hank Aaron/Dale Murphy years of the Braves if ya happen to know baseball.

peace~:)

[stillcool]

68. Why wouldn't she?

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."


Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

[southern_belle]

70. No. Shows how desperate she is though.

[Triana]

72. This kind of sh*t is EXACTLY why Hillary LOST my vote (n/t)

[samdogmom]

77. NO!

She's a piece of work! She's not a true Democrat. And, with hope she won't be in public office much longer. Come on, NY--get a real Democratic Senator to represent you!

[Arkansas Granny]

79. Like it or not, terrorism is still a threat and Bin Laden has still not been captured.

That appears to me to be a legitimate concern when you are discussing national security and it is something that any Presidential candidate will need to address. I don't consider a brief glimpse of Bin Laden's image in an ad that also dealt with several other issues as being tantamount to playing the fear card.

[BlooInBloo]

83. In light of how much of a threat it is, I suppose you were ok with bush running such ads as well?

[Arkansas Granny]

92. I see a lot of difference in a candidate mentioning the subject as portion of a 30 second spot

and using the same subject as the basis for an entire campaign as Bush did. Terrorism is a legitimate concern and will ultimately have to be addressed in the campaign leading up to the GE, regardless which Democratic candidate wins the nomination. We can certainly expect the question to arise in any national debate.

[BlooInBloo]

96. hahahah! So it's ok Clinton to use republican tactics, but not republicans - GENIUS!

That's our crazy granny.

[rodeodance]

118. DU'er's use RW smears against Hilary all the time. Stop whinning.

[MagickMuffin]

93. Her VOTE for the IWR diverted our forces away from CAPTURING bin Laden

OOPS, I guess you'll give her a pass on that, tho.

[DrFunkenstein]

103. I Would Love If She DISCUSSED National Security, Instead of 3 a.m. and Bin Laden Ads

When she discusses issues like keeping nuclear weapons "on the table" against a handful of terrorists, or backing neo-con con-artist Ahmed Chalabi, or vowing to extend "massive retaliation" beyond Israel to cover the entire Middle East (and beyond?), or explaining her vote to deem the Iranian military a "terrorist organization" after she gave Bush authority to use military force against "terrorist organizations"...I welcome such discussions.

I do consider an image of Bin Laden as politicizing 9/11 and playing the fear card against a fellow Democrat. That's not why people want her to stay in the race. And that hardly counts as a "discussion."

Ps - The 3 a.m. ad had one simple underlying message: Barack Obama will allow your children to die in their sleep. If you can suggest something else it was trying to convey, please let me know.

[eridani]

133. Except for being pure crap. Terrorism is a threat that absolutely has NO military solution.

Terrorism is more of a threat in the 21st century only because of the deep alienation of people whose lives and cultures are stripmined by global corporatism, and because of increasingly frequent resource wars. It has to dealt with by stopping the policies that generate it, and effective international cooperation in police work to deal with the handful of sociopaths that will inevitably try to take it out on everybody else regardless.

"Islamofascism" or whatever bullshit term neocons are applying to it this week, is not the problem; it just one SYMPTOM of the problem. The problem is the alienation and despair resulting from economic polarization and intense conflict over resources in an overpopulated and overconsuming world. If you live in an Islamic country, of course fundie Islam is right there for you. If you live in India, you can join one of any number of Hindu fundie groups that get off on disembowelling pregnant Muslim women and stuffing them full of burning rags. Japan? Try Aum Shinrikyo or one of the crackpot Shinto sects. America? Lots of Christian Taliban groups just waiting for you to get in on all the misogynistic, racist, homophobic fun activities they have to offer, anything from burning abortion clinics to blowing up government buildings with fertilizer bombs. Not Christian? No problem! Plenty of neo-pagan Racial Holy War groups around, and Heaven's Gate cults as well. Not a "joiner"? All you need is a few guns to go shoot up a school all by yourself. Live in a place like South Korea with tough gun control laws? Just take a milk bottle full of of gasoline and light it off in a crowded Seoul subway at rush hour.

Get the picture? It's the alienation, stupid! Overall, there is some bad news and some good news about these random threats of violence that have been around for most of human history. The good news is that only a tiny minority, say less than 0.1% of us, is psychopathic enough to actually follow through with perpetrating serious mayhem on civilian populations. The bad news is that 0.1% of 6 billion is 6 million. Do more cheerleading for "free" trade, corporate dictatorship and US military domination of the rest of the world, and you can expect to see a lot more alienated people breaking loose. Turning ourselves into the most fear-ridden locked-down society in the world will not stop it. The assault on our Constitution and the Bill of Rights has not made us the slightest bit safer. Nor will "defending" our slave-labor built Iraq embassy, or maintaining 700+ military bases around the world.

[Arkansas Granny]

142. I never said there was a military solution. I just mentioned that terrorism

is still a threat and one that the next President will have to deal with.

BTW, I don't appreciate being called stupid.

[eridani]

144. It is one of the least serious threats we face

Peak Oil and global warming are far greater threats to our security. Scaring people about terrorism helps only Republicans.

[shayes51]

139. Well said.

[roseBudd]

80. no not cool at all, since she helped drop the ball with her IWR vote=hypocrite!

[Catherina]

86. Randi Rhodes choice of words was too kind n/t

[csorman]

90. NOT OK with it

I remember when the 'thugs did this to John Kerry. Despicable.

[Emillereid]

91. It's disgusting!!!!

[catgirl]

94. Hillary has helped make our country LESS SAFE

Our resources should have been used to capture OBL. Instead, with the help of her
vote on the IWR, we've got the Iraq mess and OBL is nowhere to be found.

Good going Hillary. What a hypocrite.

[gateley]

95. No. SHRIEKS of desperation,

but people are still knee-jerk responding to OBL, so.... might work.

[MagickMuffin]

97. WHAT has SHE done about this ISSUES as a sitting US SENATOR

It was the first time a Democratic candidate has used bin Laden in a campaign commercial in the 2008 race for the White House. The terrorist appears along with images from the stock market crash, the bombing at Pearl Harbor, the Soviet threat, the collapse of the Berlin Wall and Hurricane Katrina as an announcer tells voters the political contest is for "the most important job in the world."

Her vote for the IWR, diverted our attention and resources in Afghanistan.

What has she done for the victims of Katrina?.?.?

I'm NOT cool with it, as a matter of fact I'm pissed off she would DO use the FEAR CARD.

[Bigleaf]

98. No fucking way! Kitchen sink? Fuck, she's burning down the house and we're all inside.

[Hepburn]

100. I did not think that Hillary could stoop any lower...and she proved my opinion wrong.

I would cheerfully call her the C-word, but that POS is not worth getting tombstoned over. So I will just say...

FUCK HER! :grr:

[Andy823]

101. This woman has

Gone completely over the edge! This is really a cheap shot, and once again Hillary has shown just how far she will sink to win this, or make sure Obama won't!

[Scurrilous]

104. No.

:thumbsdown:

[Vinca]

106. No. The politics of fear is what we're opposing on the right. nt

[rug]

107. If you think that's an Osama bin Laden ad, you wouldn't know one if he stuck dynamite up your ass.

[DrFunkenstein]

113. Not True. I Would Know It If Bin Laden Stuck Dynamite Up My Ass

Is this like, you know, a two-consenting-adults kind of thing or what?

[n2doc]

111. She's evolved into H911ary!

Clinton/Guiliani 08- When one day is all you need, make it September 11th!

[Radical Activist]

115. Their brand is Crisis.

Just like Bush tactics.

[DrFunkenstein]

129. She Can't Even Blame Mark Penn Anymore!

This ad comes from the top. She is Hillary Clinton, and she sure as hell approved this message.

[Major Hogwash]

119. Zell Miller in 2004, Joe Lieberman in 2006, and now in 2008, Hillary Rodham Clinton!!

Traitors, one and all!!

[Major Hogwash]

121. Hillary is now attacking Democrats, MoveOn org activists, and Obama supporters.

She used to be a Democrat, herself.

[myrna minx]

123. No. I think it is crass. n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

124. I'm sure Saxby Chambliss is proud of Hillary Clinton

Yea this blows but the politics of fear know no party line.

[Raineyb]

126. Not just no

But hell no!

That does it. I'm done. Bring on a primary opponent when her senate term comes up. If I'm still in New York not only will I vote for the primary opponent I'll volunteer for that person's campaign.

Regards

[TragedyandHope]

127. The politics of fear is what got the country into the mess we are in today

I have no idea why she thinks this will help her campaign more than it hurts her and the Democratic party.

[Daphne08]

128. Hell, NO!

I'm fed up with her tactics.

[HooptieWagon]

132. Irony is the "Support Hillary Clinton - send $50" ad below the thread.

Uh, I'd be glad to - and I'd wipe my ass with it first... but she'd only spend the 50 and fling the shit at real democrats.

[JustinL]

134. absolutely not

[fortyfeetunder]

135. This should have been a poll

I think it's despicable she even did this.
I guess she conveniently forgot if she wins the Democratic nomination she will get a taste her own medicine from the GOP machine and she best not cry sexism when the manure hits the fan...

[MrSlayer]

138. Is anyone really surprised by this?

Look, she's going to do anything she can to win. If she does all this right wing shit and still doesn't win then she may have done us a favor by getting all the worst nonsense out of the way. Everyone has their eyes on this primary and if Obama can weather the storm here, these same attacks will have less impact later. And by then he'll have razor sharp answers to the questions. It'll be old news.

If he wins and she plays it off that way it would be great. Imagine a nominating speech by Senator Clinton that highlights those very points, it could be a very good thing if handled correctly.

[Jawja]

140. About as cool as I am with George W. Bush

running it. :thumbsdown:

I expected to see Osama pop out sometime in November, just before the GE to scare up voters into voting Rethug. I NEVER expected to see it in the Democratic Primary to scare up Democrats into voting for a Clinton.

Really, really LOW in my opinion.

[stevenleser]

141. It is a shameful act for a Democrat, even a pretend one like HRC.

She needs to be *plonk*ed from this race.

[mistertrickster]

143. Desperate tactics by a desperate candidate. "Does not play well with others." nt

[and-justice-for-all]

145. That is cheap and desperate...nt