Do you agree with the Osama Bin Laden Ad that Clinton is running against a fellow Democrat?

[rndmprsn]

Poll question: Do you agree with the Osama Bin Laden Ad that Clinton is running against a fellow Democrat?

pretty simple question...

and if you vote "yes" please have the courage to explain why you think that way to the great majority who dis-agree's with you and your candidate.

[SKKY]

1. It's repulsive and it exposes her for what she really is...

...The Democratic version of Bush.

[redqueen]

20. Oooooh...

the Dem version of Bush?! Them's fightin words!

[SKKY]

23. It's like the Spanish say...

..."Llama pan pan, y vino vino." I'm just calling it like it is.

[islandmkl]

2. i almost voted yes to fire things up...

but i thought better of it....enough true believers will show up, i'm sure

[99th_Monkey]

3. It should remove any doubt about Hillary's "fitness" to become the Democratic Nominee

since she's using Rethug slime tactics, it should be clear by now Obama's the only one fit for the nomination.

[DearAbby]

4. She has publically

stepped over into GOP/Republican territory.

[islandmkl]

5. i told you....

[Growler]

6. Which assholes voted "Yes"?

Very puzzled. I think they're on the wrong site.

[Kittycat]

9. Probably the ones on my Ignore list.

[Lerkfish]

11. welcome to the prevailing thought process of "hillaryland"

anything, no matter how, is okeydokey as long as it serves our "goddess of peace".

[grasswire]

16. welcome to DU

:eyes:

[Toucano]

7. I'm not thrilled by it.

But in a way, I do want a candidate who will do whatever it takes to win.

I want a candidate who will do whatever it takes to beat John McCain because there's too much at stake.

[rndmprsn]

8. thanks for the comment...i guess its partially an issue of trust

for me...i trust that Obama will win, as he has stymied the almighty clinton campaign from almost moment one...we obama supporters have watched how Obama handles himself and his campaign and we are rightly impressed, and from this feeling we have faith and confidence in Obama's ability to beat Mcclame and win the presidency...

and we know he will make us proud too.

[Raineyb]

26. I want a candidate to do whatever it takes to beat McSame as well

But -er does HRC know that Obama is NOT McSame? Because she's isn't running her campaign as though she does.

:shrug:

Regards

[Tom Rinaldo]

10. OK, I voted Yes, because the ad isn't what you said it is.

Cripes, I thought at the very least Obama's picture would be thrown in with Bin Ladin's given the level of upset being expressed toward this ad, but I just viewed the ad. So pictures associated with about 10 of America's major crisis points since WWII get flashed across the screen, including Bin Ladin, followed by midwestern floods and Hurricane Katrina, and this is supposed to be some really evil ad?

Obama is not even mentioned by name, just the comments "you have to be ready for everything" and "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen". It's fucking true. Both Clinton and Obama are running for President of the United States, it's not an easy job. It is open to debate whether Clinton or Obama is better prepared to deal with emergencies should they happen, but to scream TERRA TERRA TERRA! over this ad is stupid. Things do go wrong in the world. Every President tends to get hit with a major crisis, if not two or three. It is a legitimate aspect of the "job interview" who will be able to handle an unexpected crisis better. This was not a focus on Bin Ladin, and after 911 to not include some reference to terrorism in the context of the broad range of challenges America has faced would have been foolish and dishonest.

This was not not fake raising of the security color code, and it wasn't a picture of Obama morphing into Osama either. It starts with Pearl Harbor and 911 was the largest attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor. Obama wasn't attacked once in this ad, he wasn't even mentioned. Security issues are real even if they do often get overblown. I just got off a plane the other day and you still have to put your tiny toothpaste tubes in quart sized plastic bags.

If this ad was what you described in your OP I would have voted No.

[Lerkfish]

13. Tom, you're usually a very smart fellow, but you're missing the point here

no one is saying she's morphing Obama into Osama.
People are pointing to the pointless fear mongering, and the implication that ONLY she can face the terrorist threat. I'm sure you'll recall how Bush and Rove used that EXACT SAME ARGUMENT against Kerry?


I have never put you on ignore, because your points are usually well-reasoned and made politely.

But honestly, I think you're just missing something, or else I am.

[Tom Rinaldo]

17. I understand that

But look at how much stretching you needed to do just now to point out to me your concern. Right off the bat Obama wasn't mentioned. It's possible for someone to view that ad and think; "that's right Hillary, that's why you won't get my vote. When the heat was up in the Senate kitchen you voted for the IWR".

The ad is a check list of major challenges the U.S. has faced. All of them really happened, it is past tense in focus, so in that way it is pretty reality based. We here blasted Bush over his handling of Katrina, over the incompetency of his Administration. It isn't fear mongering to point out that Hurricanes happen, and the media has been talking about the next big earthquake due to hit California a lot lately also. One could call that fear mongering too but it is also reality. Of course Clinton thinks she can handle the pressures of the job better than Obama, duh. They are competing for Christ's sake. I've been to job interviews where I had to posture that I was the best thing since sliced bread. It's up to the job interviewer to decide whether the other guy is better. That's the public.

This ad was NOT focused on Bin Ladin and terrorism, it was focused on the need to elect someone up to the entire job of being President. Obama is up to having that debate, he accused Clinton of helping drive the bus into the ditch. He says he has the better judgment. American voters have every right to want a President who can face down a Krushchev if it ever came to that again. It is a legitimate part of the job being sought.

[Lerkfish]

21. I'll have to respectfully disagree, because I do see your points

but I think your points don't apply: you're assuming the highest road interpretation of her intentions, and I'm insisting her ads are not that.

In other words, what you're saying would be a valid argument EXCEPT for the absolute lowest road taken by the clinton campaign thus far. I'm taking into account past practice, and you're putting her on a pedestal first, and then arguing from there. From that POV, what you say makes sense. Its too darn bad your candidate is not worth your support nor is she starting on the pedestal.

I realize you'll disagree, but that is how I see it.

[Bensthename]

12. That sounds about right for Hillary,, I feel sad for her.

[stillcool]

14. Nothing surprises me...

and that is what is truly sad.

[grasswire]

15. how about a link to the ad?

How do you expect people to vote if they haven't seen it?

[Tom Rinaldo]

19. Here is the ad:

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDap46WOCmA

[madrchsod]

18. what ad?

[george_maniakes]

22. This poll is asking a loaded question!

I agree with you though, putting osama in an ad against obama? Thats just lame.

[rndmprsn]

25. they're all loaded thee days...

[jillan]

24. No BUT I don't think it is a new low for either candidate.