Dumbest thing I think I've ever read: "I'll never vote for ___ if she/he is the nominee!"

[yardwork]

Take a close look at McCain and the rest of the Republicans. Now tell me that either of our Democratic nominees is anywhere near as bad.

[YOY]

1. I've seem a lot of this now at DU

It's gotta damnwell stop.

[NJmaverick]

2. As much as I can't stand Hillary, I would still vote for her

I may not support or defend her, but come November I would cast my vote for her.

[PoliticalAmazon]

90. Not me. She has worked very hard to alienate Obama supporters...

...and I am quite willing to give her what she deserves.

Besides, she plans to attack the Middle East with a nuclear attack. That is just freaking INSANE.

[Skinner]

3. Yes, it's dumb.

I am convinced that it's just primary-season hyperbole. Any Democrat or progressive with half a brain will come to their senses in time for the general election.

[Tyler Durden]

5. From your mouth to Dog's Ear...

About time everyone grew up a few years. We've got an election to win here.

[BlooInBloo]

16. What does an agnostic dyslexic insomniac do at night?

Lay in bed wondering if there really is a dog!


I'll be here Thursday, Friday, and Saturday folks! Don't forget to tip your waitresses!

:P

[Diamond Dog]

4. I'd be sorely tempted to vote for Nader if Hillary were the nominee.

I'll vote straight-ticket Dem, of course, but Jesus Christ I don't want to be in a position to validate the Democratic Leadership Council's existence.

[yardwork]

7. So you would prefer to put a Republican - and one as crazy as McCain - in the White House?

Which is worse, the DLC or McCain? Come on.

[PoliticalAmazon]

91. McCain hasn't said he will nuke Iran= More Sane than Hillary. n/t

[yardwork]

95. You must have missed the many times that McCain said he would nuke Iran!

In fact, McCain has sung "nuke nuke nuke, nuke nuke Iran."

[bigwillq]

6. I agree.

Neither Obama or Clinton as nearly as bad as McCain. I plan on voting for the DEM nominee.

[book_worm]

8. I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary as I'm sure some others will hold their nose and vote for

Obama.

[zalinda]

9. And you've just insulted the very people

that your candidate will need to win the election. Good job!

zalinda

[Breeze54]

14. I seriously doubt it.

Anyone who doesn't vote for the Dem, despite their reservations about that person, is a rethug in my book.

[zalinda]

104. You know, you're right

let's say fuck 'em if they can't take a joke to all those non-Obama supporters, who don't want to vote for him. Never in your wildest dream should you ever try to convince those people that he would be good for the country.

zalinda

[yardwork]

19. What??!

I totally don't understand your post. I've insulted people who claim they will vote for neither candidate.

[YOY]

45. Who did he insult that bothered you?

"Dems in name only" or "Republicans"?

[yardwork]

48. I'm a she but other than that, I second your question.

Who did I insult that is so dear to the poster's heart?

[YOY]

73. Oops sorry.

n/t

[zalinda]

105. So, in order to be a dem, you have to vote in

lock step or be considered a repub? Thanks for insulting non-Obama supporters again. I am sure you can get along without their votes.

zalinda

[PoliticalAmazon]

92. They just don't get it: many Dems aren't doormats, and won't vote for a candidate...

...who has consistently insulted us, as have her supporters.

[Oregone]

10. Forget McCain...Maybe they just won't vote.

Turnout is a real concept, and if the nominee isn't someone who motivates the base (the entire base) and creates a fine enough contrast, it is very possible that people simply will not get off their butt to vote for them. Just saying.

[Diamond Dog]

11. Absolutely. I'd have no problem voting down-ticket and leaving that one slot blank. n/t

[PoliticalAmazon]

93. "Nuke-Iran" Hillary is a worse choice than McCain--we are talking NUCLEAR ATTACK here! n/t

[yardwork]

96. I recommend that you familiarize yourself with McCain and his campaign.

You may be very surprised.

[bowens43]

12. I'm not going to play the 'lesser of two evils' this time around.

If I don't believe a candidate will a good president, I won't vote for them.

[Skinner]

18. Question: Do you believe there are any significant differences...

...between John McCain and either Democratic candidate?

For example: On the war in Iraq, or on making the Bush tax cuts permanent?

Because if you believe there are differences -- if you believe that one candidate really is the lesser of two evils -- then you have a moral responsibility to make a choice. Choosing "neither" is not a morally defensible position when one candidtlate stands for 100 more years in Iraq and massive tax giveaways for those who need them the least. You are aiding the bad guys.

[BzaDem]

23. And there are some issues where the differences really are black and white. SCOTUS and Roe come to

mind. There is obviously no way Hillary would appoint the 5th pro-life vote to SCOTUS, and it is very likely McCain will. The SCOTUS has many implications beyond Roe as well, in terms of unlimited executive authority, legislative authority, race, campaign finance reform, religion in public schools, and other issues.

The main implication is that whoever appoints the next justice will either ensure (McCain) or prevent (any democrat) at least a 10 year (and probably 20 year) solid hard-right majority on the SCOTUS. We can't fix this later with a different president.

[Diamond Dog]

24. It doesn't matter. I'm in Illinois.

Illinois wouldn't go Republican if Jesus Christ were on the ticket. A protest vote in a safe state is valid, and absolutely necessary to fight the system to the best of our abilities.

[yardwork]

27. You're encouraging people all over the country to do the same - in states that matter.

For the first time since I've lived here, North Carolina might actually go blue this year. But it won't if Democrats don't resoundingly support the Democratic nominee. If we get the usual whiney-butt half-hearted support that Democrats usually offer to their nominees, NC and the rest of the south will flop right back into the "safe" Republican vote - which will probably spell the end of the country.

[Diamond Dog]

29. Then I'll leave my opinions to myself and like-minded Illinoisans and vote blank this year.

Good deal?

[yardwork]

33. If you're going to do something like that, yes, please keep it to yourself.

We need serious momentum and enthusiasm here in the south to win back the White House. Hand-wringing isn't going to do it.

[Independent-Voter]

36. There's not a dime's difference between HRC and McCain. I'm not voting for either if it comes to

that. Sorry, but some of us still use our cognitive skills. You Veruca supporters should check into that stuff.

[yardwork]

38. That may be the most uninformed thing I've read on DU ever.

[Skinner]

51. My advice to you is this:

Spend some time educating yourself about the candidates. It is simply wrong to claim there isn't a dimes worth of difference betwen Clinton and McCain.

[Independent-Voter]

60. Both are NeoCons. Both will spend this Nation into deeper debt, etc

I'm not shill for anyone, and I'm sure as hell not one of those braindead idiots that votes straight ticket.

[Skinner]

65. This is pointless.

"There are none so blind as those who refuse to see."

[Voltaire]

88. I understand your point Skinner BUT

When does it all STOP! Why must we always be forced to make these terrible choices, always with the threat of Supreme Court balances and how terrible the GOP is? Those are important things, no question. But what do we get from our nominees? Folks who we KNOW will do just enough to get elected and then toe the corporate line, knowing full well that Democratic voters have NO CHOICE, save sitting it out. When do WE get to send the message that triangulation and candidates who are clearly not progressive, or liberal or whatever you want to call it are UNACCEPTABLE!

Personally, I am beyond scare tactics about the Supreme Court. This country needs to be fundamentally changed. And we ain't getting anywhere voting for the same old shit. I will NOT vote for a DLC candidate no matter what. I will NOT vote for anyone who voted for this illegal invasion and occupation. And if that makes me a dumbass, or short-sighted or what have you, I will be a dumbass with my principles intact. I will not waste one more vote of any sort on people who will not represent my interests. And that means Hillary Rodham Clinton!

[Skinner]

98. It never stops.

For better or worse, this is a two-party system. By necessity, any candidate that makes it through the primary system will be the compromise choice who is least offensive to the most people.

You think we're not getting anywhere by supporting the nominee? Try sitting the election out and see how that works for ya. But do me this favor: Don't bother to come and whine on DU about what a shitty job President McCain is doing.

And don't get me started about your principles. This election isn't about you. It's about picking which of the two remaining candidates is better for this country. There is no virtue in letting the Republicans continue their reign of terror without a fight.

[Voltaire]

99. Believe me, I understand your view

And in times past, I shared it. I suppose I am an apostate here, I no longer believe in the system as it is. I certainly don't believe in rewarding lackadaisical effort on the part of individuals claiming to have the interests of the people of the United States in their hearts and minds anymore. And that is what this system gives us. If I don't believe, why would I give my vote to someone I did not believe in, even if it meant a GOP victory? Much of the time, electing a Democrat is tantamount to putting a band-aid on a wound where a tourniquet is needed. We know this, whether we like that particular nasty truth or not.

I understand the importance of getting rid of the GOP. I don't think that a vote for the status quo gets us anywhere near that goal. HRC is the status quo. Voting for the lesser of two evils merely slows the rate of decay. And I am too long in the tooth for baby steps. I choose not to enable or subsidize the craven cowardice of the Democratic Leadership Council. That would be voting against my own interest. Don't we chastize GOP voters for that?

[Skinner]

101. I'm not saying you have to "believe in" the system.

The problem is that for now you're stuck with it. Until/unless it changes, this is all we have. And choosing not to vote sure has heck ain't going to change it.

You think that choosing not to vote absolves you of any responsibility. That's wrong. You are still making a choice, and there are consequences to that choice. You share responsibility for whatever happens.

[yardwork]

20. What did you play last time? Are you saying that there's little difference between Kerry and W?

Little difference between Gore and W?

If you really think that, then please cite evidence to support your view.

[AllentownJake]

13. I told that to an exit poller today

Even though it is most likely not true. I'm sick of that being used as an argument against us.

[yardwork]

22. Who is "us?"

[AllentownJake]

26. thought it was clear by

my avatar. Obama supporters. That we'll get in line better than her supporters will so he should take the VP spot is what I hear sometimes.

[yardwork]

28. Anyone who says that is a moran and should be ignored.

I can't really believe that you would allow a couple dozen anonymous internet posts (some of the probable trolls) to influence your actual vote.

[AllentownJake]

30. My actual vote

Or my lie I told an exit poller because I was sick of Tweety using talking points on MSNBC.

[yardwork]

37. See my post #27.

In order to win back the White House, we need serious enthusiasm for our nominee. Not wimpy, half-hearted, cold oatmeal "support." We need a Movement to win back the White House. That's the only way to get the south to stop voting for killer-Republicans.

[AllentownJake]

42. Sorry

I'll vote for her and volunteer for the congressional candidate who is facing a tough rethug incumbent if she wins the nomination. After her ads in PA, I can't knock on doors or make calls for her.

[yardwork]

46. That's ok. I can't knock on doors or make calls for her either.

But I would vote for her and encourage others to do so. As much as I now dislike her. She's far far better than crazy McCain.

[Diamond Dog]

44. Enthusiasm for a DLC Repug-lite?

Fuck that. I could possibly vote for her, but I will never, ever feel 'enthusiastic' for her. Not a single penny, not a drop of sweat in campaigning will she have earned from me.

[yardwork]

47. I thought we'd agreed that you'd keep your negative thoughts to yourself!? LOL!

[Diamond Dog]

50. That's not a negative. I said I could possibly vote for her. I'm talking about Hillary Repug Clinton

That's the most positive thing possible I could say about her.

I will not support her in any fashion if she is the nominee. No money, no campaigning. I will vote for her in secret and cry myself to sleep, knowing she'll continue Bush's policies.

Thank you for supporting her.

[yardwork]

57. She won't continue Bush's policies as fully as McCain.

And, frankly, Obama will continue Bush's policies to some extent as well. Neither Obama nor Hillary are particularly radical. There's much less difference between them than there is between either of them and McCain or any Republican.

[Diamond Dog]

59. Oh, that's fucking spin and you know it.

Nobody actually buys that there aren't policy differences between the two. It's the DNC's way of trying to keep the party together between the warring establishment and activist wings.

[yardwork]

64. Can you read? I never said that there were no policy differences between the two.

I said that the differences between Hillary and Obama are less than the differences between either of them and McCain.

[Diamond Dog]

31. 'Moran', lol.

Right.

[nomorewhopper]

15. i wouldn't vote for clinton in a million years

sad but true

and they say that this primary is not dividing our party. i beg to differ.

[yardwork]

25. I recommend that you take a close look at McCain. Real close.

[olkaz]

17. Dude, check out the Hillary forum, it's unanimous McCain if Obama wins

They're a fun bunch. Cult of personality over the lives of young Americans.

Oh well.

[yardwork]

21. That's just ridiculous.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

32. dumbest thing I've ever seen: blind faith in anything

[yardwork]

34. Where do you see blind faith?

I think I still have the record somewhere around here, haven't seen it in a while...

[Carrieyazel]

35. Sounds crazy, but there will be sore voters who will crossover to McCain.

McCain is positioned to get at least 1/4 of the Dem vote. That could be devastating in November, and if he gets 30%+, we are in trouble.

[IndianaJones]

39. come on..dumbest thing? nt.

[yardwork]

41. I admit that it was a tough call, but after careful consideration....yes.

[YOY]

75. You're talking to one right there BTW.

n/t

[yardwork]

78. I'm very fond of IndianaJones.

[YOY]

79. Sorry to say I am not.

and for the very reason I mentioned as well as his claims of finding racism where there is none because of his "studies".

He claimed my kid goes to a racially biased school. Nothing of the sort...it looks like a United Colors of Benetton commercial in there.

that and he has said things along the lines of not voting for Obama if he gets the nom.

[crankychatter]

40. I'd register as a Rhutabega and vote for the Aliens

if I thought it would keep a fucking Republican out of the White House

just sayin'

I hated and continue to despise, Bill Clinton... and I campaigned for him

TWICE

I ain't swearing no blood oath though...

that level of fealty I leave to the Fascists...

[yardwork]

43. No blood oaths here. We don't have to get into theoreticals.

Barring unforeseen events, our nominee will be either Obama or Hillary. Either is far, far superior to McCain.

[PatGund]

49. It's the spoiled brat thing

"Waaa! If my choice doesn't win then I'll take my vote and go home and YOU'LL BE SORRY!!"

[Diamond Dog]

52. It's our right to. The point of voting is to express one's conscience, not march lockstep.

[yardwork]

54. Actually, I don't agree that the point of voting is to express one's conscience.

We live in a republic, not a pure democracy. We have a highly-flawed two party system that leaves out many points of view. In my opinion, there are really two choices. Vote within the system and try to change it from within, or totally reject the entire paradigm and live as an anarchist.

I chose the former. Within that paradigm, there are no choices that match my ethics. I have to choose the best of my limited options. Option 1 - vote Democratic always, no matter what, and try to get the Republicans out of power. Option 2 - Act like a spoiled brat pretending to be an anarchist while living somewhere other than a dumpster.

[Diamond Dog]

56. Fuck that. For that, I WON'T vote for her, and I don't give a shit how much you try to 'mature' me.

I'm not going to denigrate myself voting for an individual I don't support. That doesn't mean I'll vote against her - I'll just vote Democratic down column and wash my hands of her.

[yardwork]

58. You know, you really ought to take a break from the internets.

You're embarrassing yourself in front of tens of thousands of readers.

[Diamond Dog]

61. I don't care. Better a petulant child than an unprincipled puppet.

[yardwork]

62. Petulant children often make good puppets.

The Republicans smile every time a Democrat says they won't support the Democratic nominee.

[Diamond Dog]

66. I expect a lot of Republicans to be feeling exactly the same right now.

No need for metanarratives. This is the election that breaks both parties.

[yardwork]

68. You underestimate their capacity for fear and greed.

I don't live in Illinois. I've lived in conservative states all my life. I know how they think.

[Voltaire]

100. Sadly, I am with you Diamond Dog

If its HRC, I will not vote against my own interests. And that, for me, is what I would be doing if I voted for her.

[FuzzyDicePHL]

69. I wish....

...I could nominate just your comment for the Greatest page!!

[yardwork]

70. I agree!

[Andy823]

53. I think her problem will be

That many of us would "hold our nose" and vote for her, no matter how hard it would be, but everyday she seems to alienate more and more people with her fear and smear tactics. If she keeps it up, it will be much harder to get the nose holders out to vote on election day!

[Diamond Dog]

55. The answer is simple: Do not support her.

Do not campaign for her, do not donate to her, do not defend her before any Republican acquaintances. Acquiesce totally to their valid complains about her and turn away from their invalid ones. I can vote for her and still hope she loses, after all.

[chyjo]

63. No. Telling people who to vote for is the dumbest thing

I live in New York, and if Hillary Clinton can't win in New York should she become the nominee then she has far larger problems than my protest vote. I would either not vote at all, or vote for a third party candidate that is not Ralph Nader.

Yeah I get the point, the reason Republicans cling to power so well is because their supporters vote for their candidates no matter what, but that is EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY. Loyalty oaths and all other brands of McCarthyism.

[yardwork]

67. "Telling people who to vote for" is the purpose of a campaign.

It's also one of the main purposes of DU. Maybe you didn't know that.

[chyjo]

71. I agree

That is indeed the purpose of a political campaign and the Democratic Underground. I would not keep posting here if Hillary is the nominee nor would I voter for her if she is the nominee. I voted for her once for Senate in 2000 and I will forever regret that vote. Her and her husband have brought our party far too close to corporate interests and into the brink of ruin(see 1994). Against NAFTA my Ass. The Clintons are NAFTA.

[yardwork]

72. I didn't realize that she'd been such a bad senator. You would have preferred a Republican?

I remember one of New York's Republican senators. He was a good buddy with Jesse Helms. Co-sponsored a bill to defund the NEA because of "sick" art.

[chyjo]

81. One of my first votes ever I believe

was voting for Schumer over D'Amato which I believe is the Senator you are talking about. However to highlight a point if McCain vs. Clinton is close in NYS this coming November I probably won't be pondering which candidate to vote for, but rather which country to move to. I believe that Hillary Clinton is a horribly flawed candidate. Pointing out that in the past, a decade past in the example chosen, their have been worse Republican Senators in my state hardly alleviates my concerns. Vote for Hillary, She is No D'Amato. Great Slogan!!!! Well guess what, she is no Moynihan either. There is a middle ground between Clinton and McCain in my state, and I will vote for that. It is called No One.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

74. I must say Obama's supporters have all but killed my enthusiasm for him as a candidate

But I like him personally and I will most definitely vote for him.

By the way, I voted for Edwards, so I have no horse in this two person race. But I will say I am ashamed of some of the behavior I've seen on here.

[Diamond Dog]

76. Okay. Nice knowing you. n/t

[YOY]

77. and Hillary supporters have not?

n.t.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

84. Not nearly as much as Obama's, although....

...had the situation been reversed, it might very well be the same.

See, I live in Florida. I voted in January (for John Edwards, who is no longer in the race, but still a valid vote.) Hillary Clinton "won" the majority of the votes in Florida. But because of an archaic DNC rule mandating the order of scheduling of primaries, the argument has been that those votes should not be counted towards any delegates being seated, thus rendinging my vote impotent.

Barack Obama lost the Florida primary. Thus, Obama has the least to gain for counting Florida's votes. Thus, Obama's supporters have cried bloody murder over the possibility that Florida's votes should count toward something.

And that's where they crossed the line. Political mudslinging is one thing, and both Clinton and Obama camps are oh-so guilty of that. Supporting disenfranchisement of voters is a totally different thing. That is something you hear of Republicans wanting to do. That is not something Democrats typically support. Yet, because the ends justify the means, Obama's supporters have been ever vocal about not wanting to count Florida's votes.

In a democracy, you always err on the side of the voters. DNC rules are DNC rules, but total disenfranchisement is simply unacceptable. And only one side wants that right now, and unfortunately for Obama's supporters, it is the Obama campaign that is the guilty party here. Had Hillary been on top, I'm sure Obama's folks would be decrying the DNC party establishment rules, and perhaps the Clinton campaign would be arguing for exclusion of those voters. But the facts have rested where they are.

I have also gotten the sickening feeling of this fervent "flavor of the month" advocacy of the Obama camp that is very strong in intensity but risks being short in duration. I get the feeling of total disposability of loyalties. Right now, as they say, Obama is "in". One misstep in the White House, and he could just as well be thrown to the curb in favor of the next flavor. I have seen viscious smearing and words of utter hatred directed towards Bill and Hillary Clinton from Obama's supporters. Not just disagreement or disappointment. Vile words of hatred. Repetition of the darkest of rumors and innuendos issued by the likes of Limbaugh and company. Again, the ends justify the means for the Obama camp. Two legs good, four legs bad.

I think we all can agree that Bill and Hillary Clinton are human beings with flaws, and people who have taken stances that we may disagree on. However, that is not a justification for some of the things I have read here agaist them. As a Democrat, I'm truly ashamed of some of the things I've read. And this is not solely in the interests of Bill or Hillary Clinton. I would hate for 4-8 years down the road this same scenario befall Barack or Michelle Obama. But it is this type of thinking that would absolutely pave the road for such an occurance.

In November, should he be the nominee, I will vote for Barack Obama the man, because I like Barack Obama the man. However, I will not donate one penny to his campaign. I will spend no minute of the day volunteering for the campaign. I will not attend one campaign event. I will not paste one bumper sticker or post one yard sign. My support of Barack Obama will not extend beyond the voting booth, because I have been so incensed by the actions of his supporters that I want no part of that. I don't care if it is classified as a great "phenomenon" or "movement", I am disgusted from what I have seen.

Like I said before, mudslinging politics is one thing. Total about face on loyalties and respect, coupled with the actual argument for disenfranchisement over something as petty as a party rule is totally another thing.

[YOY]

87. Not where I'm sitting.

I have seen nothing but the polar opposite. Some Obama mudslinging but mostly really stupid hitjobs coming from people with nothing positive to say about Hillary and plenty of negatives for Obama.

[enigmatic]

97. I'm at the same spot

I like Obama personally, but I also know like you that for a good chunk of his supporters, he really is the flavor of the month, just like Paul Hackett was in 2005-06 here. And just like then, the usual suspects trashed and belittled not only his opponent (Sherrod Brown, as liberal a Democrat as you'll get), but their supporters as well, even though in Obama's case, there isn't much difference in policy between him and Hillary. And if Obama becomes President and he makes his first compromise or backtrack on specific policy, the knives will be out, the screams of "traitor" by the usual suspects will be cried, and a "rant" by respected DUers will follow, shocked, SHOCKED, that he's actually what he (and Hillary) have alway been; a politician.

I've sid this before, but I belong to Democrats Abroad up here and a number of us have a get-together every month or so to shoot the shit and talk politics. A number of them are Obama supporters, a few are Hillary supporters, and there are some like me who don't have a horse in this race anymore. There aren't novices; they have been involved in both US and Canadian Politics for a number of years, and know policy and the system inside out.

None of them act the way that the most extreme Obama supporters act here; they find it "frightening" (in one's words)the level of vitriol that's going on, and can't understand it. I'm still trying to get one Obama supporter (and one of my good friends) to register; he says, "no way". I'm still trying.

I'll vote for Obama on my absentee ballot in November, just like I'll vote for Hillary. Both are light-years better than McCain, and no asshollery by either supporters here will change that.

[Zodiak]

80. Sorry, no loyalty oath for me

Loyalty oaths are for suckers and have been the main reason progressives have lost voice in our own party. If they know you are on board no matter what, they will never offer anything to you. Ever.

[Shae]

82. You are right...

I've said that I didn't know if I could vote for Clinton if she steals the nomination, but I know that, in the end, I would. Not voting for the Democratic nominee -- whether staying home, writing in someone else, or voting for Nader or McCain --would be almost equivilent to voting for Bush's 3rd term.

[tokenlib]

83. Honestly, enough of these threads on this subject--we need to chill out ....

...and allow one another some space. The tensions are high, there will be anger on the losing side. I say have faith in one another to make the right decision before November. We need some time to chill-out.

I sure as hell don't want Hillary to presume or count on me after all the crap she's pulled. And I'll need some time to reflect if she ends the nomination. But I don't want to be hounded or entrapped into a guilt trip--and the Hillary supporters don't need that either if Barack wins.

[Political Heretic]

85. It is stupid, I agree.

[Bensthename]

86. I get angry with Hillary.. But the fact of a Bush 3rd term worries me.. You are right.

[ihelpu2see]

89. Nadar instead of Sen. Clinton... nt

[Lilith Velkor]

94. McKinney instead of Sen. Obama

[Milo_Bloom]

102. She voted for the war. Thus, I will not vote for her.

[BryMan]

103. My sentiments earlier today on another "post"

And by post I mean one of those schoolyard taunting sessions that passes for a post, was in effect the very same thing you just said here.

If ANY real Democrat chooses to not vote for the nominee because of this mud slinging going on here I find that a damn weak argument. Suck it the hell up unless you want to be part of the McSame campaign right the fuck now. Quit, get the fuck out of this party right now then, you are willing to sink the ship because you lost at shuffleboard.