OOGA BOOGA SMOOGA WOOGA!

[helderheid]

Was:

Is it religious discrimination against the Amish to require you vote on an e-vote machine?
Just hit me. Do they get to vote on paper ballots?

[MonkeyFunk]

1. No

they're not forbidden from using machines.

[marshall]

7. They don't own machines, they have nothing against using them

They ride public transportation, the rent freezer space in meat lockers, they make calls on public phones, etc.

[helderheid]

8. I thought that was the Mennonites, not the Amish.

:shrug:

[marshall]

17. All orders allow limited use of machines, just not in the home

http://pittsburgh.about.com/cs/pennsylvania/a/amish_2.htm

[helderheid]

18. Thanks for the education!

:hi:

[Boz]

21. A few years back when I was still living in Ohio there were several Amish teens with buggys

with booming stereos, total thumpers. Confused the hell out of me.

[Critters2]

27. Kids had these where I was in Illinois Amish country, too.

The poor horses looked TERRIFIED!!

[Yael]

2. Paper ballots are an option in many areas here

[Skinner]

3. Do the Amish vote?

Anyone know?

[helderheid]

6. I haven't a clue! I was raised Quaker and many assumed I was Amish but honestly, I don't know much

about them other than the lack of electricity.

[PA Democrat]

11. Historically, no. But Bush went after their vote in 2004.

Not sure how many actually did turn out to vite, but some did for the first time in their lives because they impressed by Bush's "Christian values." Makes you ill, doesn't it?

[Jamastiene]

13. That's the same exact question I have.

Do they consider themselves autonomous society from the rest of us or do they actually vote?

[PA Democrat]

15. GOP's Soft Sell Swayed the Amish

<snip>

Yes, the Republicans, true to their vow to leave no vote unwooed, came to Lancaster County hoping to win over the famously reclusive Old Order Amish -- who shun most modern ways -- along with their slightly less-strict brethren, the Mennonites. Democrats laughed at the very idea. The Amish had no use for politics. Were the Republicans that desperate? But the GOP effort, underscored by President Bush's meeting with some Amish families in early July, did the trick.

"Yup, we voted this time," said an elder Old Order Amish man approached at his home-based quilt shop on Route 340. He had a beard that straggled down to his chest and bright blue eyes. His first name, he said, is Amos, but in keeping with the Amish edict against calling attention to oneself, he would not give his last name.

"I didn't vote for the last 30 years," he said, puffing on a pipe. "But Bush seemed to have our Christian principles."

Outside looking in, it makes sense that the Amish would pay little attention to national politics. They have their own schools (formal education for eight years), their own churches (or religious gatherings, at one another's homes) and their own rules. This has worked for them. The population of Amish and Mennonites, at more than 20,000 in Lancaster County, keeps growing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35064-2004Dec29.html

[MonkeyFunk]

19. Yes they do!

and the parties and candidates actively court their vote.

[Red Zelda]

4. The fucking Amish should be deported

That is, unless you like brutal puppy mills, animal and spouse abuse, and a hundred other offensive things about them.

[helderheid]

5. puppy mills? I'd not heard that!

[Tyler Durden]

10. Not one of their nicer facets.....

HUGE problem, oddly enough, in Pennsylvania, but also in other Amish communities.

Seems that Religious thing about having dominion over the beasts doesn't include being nice to them.

[JoDog]

14. I've heard of it

A friend who used to breed Lhasas told me about it.

News report:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w1dpws116M&feature=related

Undercover video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhjqBsOCiPs

Warning: very graphic.

[Laurab]

24. That was heartbreaking

and yes, graphic. I wonder if anything can be or is being done about it.

[Red Zelda]

16. What they do to dogs is a complete horror

Pa. attorneys general of both parties have fought them for years over it.
Then, there's their brutality toward horses, which is equally repulsive.

[MonkeyFunk]

20. LOL

hate much?

Deported to where? They're from here, you know. And those evils you list aren't unique to the Amish.

[Red Zelda]

22. Really?

Have you seen an Amish puppy mill?

[MonkeyFunk]

23. No

but nonetheless, puppy mills are not unique to the Amish.

[Red Zelda]

29. But they are most prevalent among the Amish

and hidden behind the false mask of "the plain people," who are more nazi than simple farmer.

[Critters2]

32. That's bullshit. I lived in Amish country, and they are anything but Nazis. nt

[Critters2]

30. Exactly. And the demand they're meeting isn't among the Amish.

I know of Mennonites who are working to discourage the Amish from running puppy mills. The best way to do this, though, is to discourage the public from buying puppy mill puppies!

Missouri and Iowa have huge puppy mill problems--and among the smallest Amish populations in the country. It ain't just the Amish.

[OzarkDem]

25. Then prosecute them

But they're native born US citizens. You can't deport them. :crazy:

[Red Zelda]

28. I'd deport them to fucking hell if I could

[Critters2]

31. Why the intense dislike of the Amish.

I knew two puppy millers in Iowa, both active in the same United Methodist Church. Are you in favor of deporting Methodists, too?

[Freddie Stubbs]

33. The same accusation could be made about Puerto Ricans, Italians, or most ethnic groups

[stellanoir]

9. They don't vote.

I asked a PA resident earlier today.

on edit- However he said they do pay taxes.

[helderheid]

12. Thanks Stellanoir! I guess it's time to turn this thread into an OOGA BOOGA SMOOGA WOOGA thread!!

:woohoo:

[helderheid]

34. ACK! It's turned into a puppy mill thread :(

[DearAbby]

26. They use a paper, pencil and a hat.....n/t

[helderheid]

35. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!