After both Hillary, Bill pandered to the black community, Bill goes back to race-baiting (updated)

[ProSense]

Bill Clinton Claims Obama Camp Played the Race Card Against Him

April 22, 2008 7:58 AM

In his inimitable fashion, former President Bill Clinton told Philadelphia's WHYY radio that his South Carolina-primary comparison of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, to Rev. Jesse Jackson is an example of HIS being the victim of ugly racial politics.

Listen to the interview HERE.

“I think that they played the race card on me," Clinton said. "We now know, from memos from the campaign that they planned to do it along."

It's unclear what "memos" he was referring to.

link

It's not the first time, Hillary camp has cited the memo as evidence of Obama's race baiting. Only problem is they full of BS.

Look at the dates in the memo:

Earliest date: DRUG USE (ABC News, 12/12/07)

(Here is a link)

Latest date: SHUCK AND JIVE (Newsday, 1/11/08)

That memo was obviously written after Jan. 11, days after Hillary's MLK comment and a full month after the drug use comment by the Clinton campaign.

Asked for evidence of the Obama campaign's role in fomenting the controversy, a Clinton aide cited a staff memo, leaked to political blogs, that compiled quotes by Clinton and her allies that seemed racially insensitive.

link

So after injecting racially charged comments into the debate and accusing Obamas's campaign of race baiting, Hillary's campaign's proof is a memo written after all her campaign's deliberate race baiting, which has continued:

Drug dealer, fairy tale, imaginary hip black friend, gang bang, cult, shuck-and-jive, Hispanics don't vote for black people, Obama is Somalian, Obama meets with former terrorists, all from Hillary's campaign and surrogates.


Hillary at an event hosted by Tavis Smiley:

February 23, 2008, 7:53 pm

Clinton Offers Regrets for Spouse’s Remarks

By Julie Bosman

NEW ORLEANS – Appearing before a predominantly black audience here Saturday afternoon, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton defended her husband’s legacy on race relations and offered an apology of sorts for comments he made in South Carolina several weeks ago that many people viewed as racially insensitive.

In a question-and-answer session after her speech at the State of the Black Union event, Mrs. Clinton was asked by Tavis Smiley, the host of the event, how she felt about “what some termed racial comments” by Mr. Clinton.

“I think there are enough of you here today who know him personally and know his heart,” she said, then stopped for a long pause. “If anyone was offended about anything that was said, whether it was meant or not, whether it was misinterpreted or not, then obviously I regret that.”

<...>

Mrs. Clinton’s brief appearance in New Orleans was not a traditional campaign stop, considering that Louisiana has already held its contest – on Feb. 9 – and voted decisively for Mr. Obama, who won by 22 points.

According to a campaign spokesman, Mrs. Clinton had agreed to attend the event after bumping into Mr. Smiley several weeks ago in Los Angeles.

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Bill at black churches:

February 2, 2008

Bill Clinton to make black church tour Sunday

Former President Bill Clinton will visit black churches in LA this Sunday.

(CNN) – In the run-up to Super Tuesday, former President Bill Clinton is planning a tour of African-American churches this Sunday in Los Angeles. A prominent elected official who will be joining him has described it as Clinton’s 'mea culpa tour' to the black community.

The former President set off a firestorm of criticism for comments he made during the South Carolina primary, comments which were widely interpreted as racially insensitive. He’s adamantly denied he was playing racial politics. Exit polls show President Clinton’s seemingly aggressive campaigning may have contributed to the stunning defeat his wife Hillary Clinton suffered in the primary there.

According to CNN exit polling, a majority of South Carolina voters said Bill Clinton’s campaigning was important to their vote — 48 percent of them cast ballots for Barack Obama, while 37percent went for Sen. Clinton. And CNN has reported some of the former President’s controversial remarks on the trail may have contributed to Senator Ted Kennedy’s decision to endorse Sen. Obama.

The President’s tour of African-American churches comes as the Clinton campaign fights to win a coveted prize on Super Tuesday – delegate-rich California – where African Americans make up 7 percent of Democratic primary voters.

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No one is buying your BS Bill, stop whining:

Plenty of African-American officials, including Rep. James Clyburn, D-SC, the House Majority Whip, assuredly disagree with Clinton's interpretation of that controversy. Clyburn told me a few weeks ago that African-Americans, especially those from the South, "know the code words when we hear them."

link

While Bill is once again projecting about race-baiting, Hillary is questioning Obama's patriotism and implying that he has ties to terrorists.

Stop whining. Stick to blaming your flaws on being tired and old.

Update:

Bill: I Didn't Say Obama Camp Played Race Card On Me

By Greg Sargent - April 22, 2008, 1:00PM

Bill Clinton, in a new interview, appears to deny that he said yesterday that the Obama camp was playing the race card on him:

NBC/NJ: "Sir, what did you mean yesterday when you said that the Obama campaign was playing the race card on you?"

CLINTON: "When did I say that, and to whom did I say that?"

NBC/NJ: "On WHYY radio yesterday"

CLINTON: "No, no, no. That's not what I said. You always follow me around and play these little games, and I'm not going to play your games today. This is a day about election day. Go back and see what the question was, and what my answer was. You have mischaracterized it to get another cheap story to divert the American people from the real urgent issues before us, and I choose not to play your game today. Have a nice day."

Yesterday, Bill said: "I think that they played the race card on me. We now know, from memos from the campaign that they planned to do it (all) along."

The Clinton campaign confirms that Bill was refering to this memo written by an Obama campaign aide, which sought to highlight a pattern of race-based politicking on the part of the Clintons. It was never clear who the intended recipient of it was. And it's true that Obama himself said during a debate that he regretted the memo.

But while the memo appeared to encourage people to see a Clinton camp pattern of race-based politics, it didn't reveal any plan to play the race card against him all along, as Bill said.

Separately, Ben Smith offers this poignant observation on Bill's latest: "It is a reminder of what an utterly different era it was in which he was the reigning political master."

Poor Bill.

[MethuenProgressive]

1. OP completely misstates everything.

Decades of a strong relationship with the AA community is not "pandering."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5618734&mesg_id=5618734
Bill Clinton responds strongly to Obama's disgusting Swiftboating of the Clintons on race.

[uponit7771]

2. Right, that Jesse Jackson comment just slipped out of his mouth hunh?

[MethuenProgressive]

5. Quote the remark, in full context, and then show the class what part of it is racist.

We won't wait.

[jonestonesusa]

55. So, let me guess...

you also look at Rev. Wright's comments in their full context, right? Or do you use them as cheap points against Obama?

[ProSense]

6. The OP has been updated, Bill tried to back down from his statement

He's busted and tired.

[cliffordu]

27. I just love the sound of specious bullshit in the morning.....

sounds like......

[roguevalley]

32. if bill states memos, he needs to show them or STFU. god, I wasn't

clear how a white male can have the race card played against them. growing up in Jim Crow America, I was more clear on what race baiting truly is but if there is more to it, I probably owe bill a thank you for the education. I certainly hope he doesn't get hung or beaten to death as a consequence of this horrible race baiting abuse he is taking. Given his predilection to fuck around on his wife, I doubt however that I will take much in the way of ethics and other such from him. Cigars anyone? Or is that too sexist?

There is a syndrome for people with bypass surgery that is little known that changes how they are. Brain damage is a byproduct of bypass that doctors don't talk about much and there is speculation that Bill is a victim of this. It would explain a lot about his behavior, finger wagging and all. If such is true, he has my sympathy.

[dionysus]

38. nice projection...

[GoldieAZ49]

3. Comparing Barrak to OJ early on was a good indicator they would play the race card

But on the night of Obama's victory, Jesse Jr. had this to say to the Washington Post about the inadvisability of Obama going negative against Hillary Clinton: "The natural reminder here is O.J. —how does an African-American candidate attack a white woman?"


http://www.slate.com/id/2181356 /


Obviously playing the race card behind the scene was their decision. They went through Bill to indirectly attack Hillary.

Disgusting and sick.

Camp Obama has no claim to calling racism on anyone for anything, they render the charge meaningless.

[ProSense]

11. "Bill: I Didn't Say Obama Camp Played Race Card On Me"

Liar!

Your comment is spinning Bill's spin and all the spinning is enough to make anyone dizzy!

[GoldieAZ49]

31. racist schmacist get a new line

like the boy the cried wolf

it was the only way for Obama to get that voting block from the Clintons and he went there

Ferraro and Bob Jones are right

[ProSense]

33. Who said racist? Are you denying that Bill tried to back down on his statement? n/t

[jonestonesusa]

54. So, Goldie, Black people are automatons that only vote according to who manipulates them...

Is that what you're saying? The "only way" for Obama to gain the black vote is "play the race card?"

Why not say it directly if that's what you think?

[Name removed]

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[loyalsister]

21. If "mugging" and "stealing"

are not intended to conjure stereotypical imagry, our former president is not as intelligent as people have given him credit for.
Do people really think that since leaving office, he has been transformed into an insensitive oaf unaware of the full scale implications of his comments after allegedly feeling pain with the black community for most of his life?
Before I hear this attack, please note:
Those who disregard the reactions to the comments where he used crime language are discounting the experience of other people. Whatever one's own response or belief, there is no basis to dismiss the experience others have as illegitimate.
The same goes for those who respond to perceived sexism coming from Obama's campaign.

[DevonRex]

4. Every time there's a primary, Bill cries about race. Disgusting. nt

[MethuenProgressive]

8. Link to expose of Obama Camp's plot to Swiftboat the Clintons on Race:

"the Obama campaign is seeking to capitalize on the view - and push the narrative - that the Clintons are using race-related issues for political leverage."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html

[ProSense]

9. Why are you reposting the memo? The link is in the OP. It doesn't support your BS spin. n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

24. Obama's own words debunk your BS spin on his Swiftboat plot memo:

RUSSERT: In terms of accountability, Senator Obama, Senator Clinton on Sunday told me that the Obama campaign had been pushing this storyline. And, true enough, your press secretary in South Carolina -- four pages of alleged comments made by the Clinton people about the issue of race.

In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say. And it is my responsibility to make sure that we’re setting a clear tone in our campaign, and I take that responsibility very seriously, which is why I spoke yesterday and sent a message in case people were not clear that what we want to do is make sure that we focus on the issues.

Now, there are going to be significant issues that we debate, and some serious differences that we have. OBAMA: And I’m sure those will be on display today.

What I am absolutely convinced of is that everybody here is committed to racial equality -- has been historically. And what I also expect is that I’m going to be judged as a candidate in terms of how I’m going to be improving the lives of the people in Nevada and the people all across the country, that they are going to ultimately be making judgments on can I deliver on good jobs at good wages; can I make sure that our home foreclosure crisis is adequately dealt with; are we going to be serious about retirement security; and are we going to have a foreign policy that makes us safe.

If I’m communicating that message, then I expect to be judged on that basis. And if I’m not, then I expect to be criticized on that basis. That’s the kind of campaign that we want to run and that we have run up until this point.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/us/politics/15demdebate-transcript.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2&oref=slogin

[ProSense]

34. "Bill: I Didn't Say Obama Camp Played Race Card On Me" n/t

[jonestonesusa]

57. To clarify further, here's a key paragraph from that article on Obama

"playing the race card," every Clinton fan's favorite cliche. The author mentions a memo circulated in the BO campaign on HRC's statements regarding race:

The document provides an indication that, in private, the Obama campaign is seeking to capitalize on the view - and push the narrative - that the Clintons are using race-related issues for political leverage. In public, the Obama campaign has denied that they are trying to propagate such a perception, noting that the document never was sent to the press.

To say _the very least_ - Clinton surrogates have been doing the exact same thing, publicly, given the numerous documented incidents listed on top of this thread. Given that the majority of the electorate is white, however, Obama as a candidate has much more to lose than Clinton from a game of racial identity politics, especially in the GE. The Clinton campaign knows this, and they have therefore pushed the narrative of "electibility," since in polite society (including DU on a good day) to identify oneself as a progressive while opposing a black candidate because of his/her racial identity is seen as bad form.

So therefore, according to HRC supporters, HRC is perfectly free to "play the gender card," while Obama's "playing the race card" is objectionable. Hmmm....

[GoldieAZ49]

10. He had to play the race card to win South Carolina

or his 'campaign' would have been over.

some uniter he is.

[MethuenProgressive]

12. Obama took his cue from Rove - attack wher your opponent is strong.

The Clintons have a real, honest, long, and strong, relationship with the AA community.
And so Karl Rove devotee Barack Obama decided to Swiftboat them on race.
Disgusting. There's no place in the Democratic Party for race baiting scumbags like Obama.

[redstate_democrat]

37. Obama didn't force the Clintons to say the things they said.

No wthat "real, honest, long, and strong relationship with the AA community" is basically "obliterated" thanks to Bill and Hillary Clinton's insensitivity.

Bob Johnson
Geraldine Ferraro
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Ed Rendell
Hispanic woman in Texas that Hillary did not repudiate when that woman said that Barack's problem is that he is black
and on and on and on and on.


They send hit squads out to use the race card and then feign shock that anyone calls them on it. They themselves do it and then pretend that they are being "misrepresented". Bull.

[MethuenProgressive]

39. I pity all the victims of Obama's Swiftboating.

All they seem to know is what they've been told to believe.

[ellacott]

35. truly amazing

and sad

[jonestonesusa]

58. Do you care to include evidence in your assumptions about BO's chances in South Carolina

or are we just supposed to accept them at face value?

[Saturday]

17. How old are you? nt

[ProSense]

18. Why, does one have to be a certain age to tell the truth? n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

20. Perhaps a day older than you.

At least.

[ProSense]

23. Everything you've posted in this thread is a distortion, including the quote above. n/t

[DevonRex]

28. I'm assuming "ignored" asked how old I am. LOL. I'm 50 on my

bad days. On my good days I'm as young as I feel.

[JVS]

7. Oh classy!

[Saturday]

14. If there's anyone who is NOT a racist it's Bill Clinton.

Remember when Black leaders proclaimed he was the first Black President? How quickly things change and how quickly Blacks abandoned him and Hillary when one of their own was running and actually had a chance to win. BO has brought racism into this election like never before. Michelle said Blacks would come around and they did. Saying Jesse Jackson won SC is not racist. Saying 80% - 90% of Blacks are voting for BO is not racist. They are both facts. But, go ahead, make your usual mountain out of a molehill.

[ProSense]

16. Who said he was a racist? He's not a racist, he's a liar, and he's race baiting. n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

19. Two of Obama's many race baiting lies exposed by Snopes.com

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/saywhat.asp

"Say what, Barack?"

[stillcool]

22. Some don't forget...

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."


Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.

Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.

"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.

In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html
Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
By Julie Bosman

KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.
------------------

Johnson's comments and remarks by both Clintons before the New Hampshire primary last week had alarmed several black leaders and drew a rebuke from Obama and his top aides.

It began when Hillary Clinton gave an interview in which she seemed to discount King's role in the civil rights movement. Later, former President Clinton cast aspects of Obama's candidacy as a "fairy tale."

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=278988
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.

Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/

Link for lawsuit: http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[jonestonesusa]

59. So racism didn't exist in the election until South Carolina?

Clearly you didn't read the references in first part of the OP.

What is indisputable is that race as a social concern and an issue for political action doesn't show up as much when all the major candidates are white. Plus, are you saying that the Clintons own black votes, that they deserve their votes no matter what black voters choose? Or are black voters just easily duped, and we're voting against our interests by supporting Obama?

I wonder if any HRC supporters, instead of "playing the race card," are still interested in explaining on a policy basis, why she deserves support over Obama?

It was Toni Morrison that called Bill Clinton "the first black president," and it was a half-baked statement that didn't account for the level of white privilege required, up till now, for a man or woman born black or bi-racial to become U.S. president. Are we witnessing the end of that necessity of white privilege as a condition to be a chief executive - or not?

[flpoljunkie]

15. Bob Kerrey was right about Bill Clinton.

"An unusually good liar."

[guruoo]

25. Race card. Reverse race card. Reverse reverse race card. Double nut fudge sundae...

with whip cream and a cherry on top race card.
Ad infinitum...

[Justitia]

26. I love how he flat out DENIES what he just said YESTERDAY - on tape!

Who are you going to believe? Me or your own lying ears????

Poor Bill, it's so hard to keep all that lying (and race baiting) straight.

[jenmito]

30. They showed it on MSNBC!

[Zachstar]

29. Thanks for posting this

[Debi]

36. This thread kicked, rec'd and bookmarked!

the MSM will be blathering about Bill's outrageous behavior instead of Hillary's astounding debt, minuscule funds or her evaporated 20 pt. lead in Pennsylvania. Their cat and mouse games with the media are wearing thin.

[MethuenProgressive]

40. Perhaps you'll even read it?

Then ask Skinner to give you your rec back...

[Debi]

41. Bill Clinton lied....again

that's enough for yet another kick :kick:

[MethuenProgressive]

42. Two of Obama's many race baiting lies exposed by Snopes.com

See post 19

Charity kick, of of kindness.

[Debi]

44. How you found racisim in either of those stories is beside me

but I see both those stories as equal to Hillary Clinton's tale of being named after Sir Edmund Hillary. Was Obama told these stories by his Mother/Grandmother while growing up? Do we know?

Bill Clinton lied (again) and got caught telling the lie (again).

Any other smoke screen Hillary Clinton supporters want to throw up today won't change that fact.

[Major Hogwash]

43. Face it - Bubba is a racist and a liar.

I can't believe he even calls himself a Democrat anymore.

[SeaLyons]

45. Poor ProSense

For feeling the need to post this crap. Utter crap!!!

[ProSense]

51. Get a grip, cricket08. This is utter crap: "Bill: I Didn't Say Obama Camp Played Race Card On Me"

In fact, you should pity Bill, who can't control his urge to lie.

[SeaLyons]

63. you're always good for laugh...

ProSense, hahaha.

[Bake]

46. So when the "first black President" appealed to the black community

it was pandering? What was Obama doing in South Carolina with the McClurkin crowd? That wasn't pandering????

You people crack me up no end in here.

Bake

edited for typos

[ProSense]

48. "Appealed"? He was apologizing for the very thing he's using now.

Bill isn't friggin black.

[Bake]

60. He didn't coin the term, the black community did, as I recall.

Bake

[ecstatic]

50. If the "McClurkin crowd" was homophobic, they certainly wouldn't have wanted

to hear McClurkin, now would they? There is no such thing as an ex-gay!

[ecstatic]

47. He USED us, just like Bush used the evangelicals

[Bake]

52. Bullshit, "used" you!

That's why the black community was so loyal to the Clintons until this campaign? Because he "used" you?

I don't think so.

Bake

[ProSense]

56. Evidently, they weren't that loyal. Gore and Kerry got a larger share of the black vote than Bill

n/t

[BenDavid]

49. Obama's campaign deliberately smeared Hillary and Bill Clinton

as racist in order to capture the votes of Blacks and college liberals. When it comes to Senator Barack Obama, the only thing I'm certain of is that after all these months, we still do not know who he is. (I'm also certain that Hillary and Bill Clinton are Not racist!)
"While promoting Obama as a "post-racial" figure, his campaign has purposefully polluted the contest with a new strain of what historically has been the most toxic poison in American politics. . . More than any other maneuver, this one has brought Clinton into disrepute with important portions of the Democratic Party. A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the “race card” were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps in order to strip away her once formidable majority among black voters and to outrage affluent, college-educated white liberals as well as college students."

"The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the “race-baiter card” before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada–and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters."

"This development is the latest sad commentary on the malign power of the press, hyping its own favorites and tearing down those it dislikes, to create pseudo-scandals of the sort that hounded Al Gore during the 2000 campaign. It is also a commentary on how race can make American politics go haywire. Above all, it is a commentary on the cutthroat, fraudulent politics that lie at the foundation of Obama’s supposedly uplifting campaign"Sean Wilentz

[ProSense]

53. So you agree with Hillary's questioning Obama's patriotism and implying he is linked to terrorists?

Do you?

[jonestonesusa]

61. Another HRC supporter ignores the references in the OP to Clinton's race baiting.

What else is new? Do you want earnest dialogue across the party voter's differences on this issue, or not?

[BlooInBloo]

62. Of course they did. White folks are very creative about how they do it...

.... The current race-baiting FOTM is for white folks to just say the black guy is "playing the race card", which is a dogwhistle to white folks, reinforcing their unity against the black guy.