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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:35 PM
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Now Bill Clinton denying he said Obama campaign played race card
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/22/931095.aspx

NBC/NJ: “Sir, what did you mean yesterday when you said that the Obama campaign was playing the race card on you?”

CLINTON: “When did I say that, and to whom did I say that?

NBC/NJ: “On WHYY radio yesterday”

CLINTON: “No, no, no. That’s not what I said. You always follow me around and play these little games, and I’m not going to play your games today. This is a day about election day. Go back and see what the question was, and what my answer was. You have mischaracterized it to get another cheap story to divert the American people from the real urgent issues before us, and I choose not to play your game today. Have a nice day.”

NBC/NJ: “On WHYY radio yesterday”


--- what he actually said on WHYY radio:

INTERVIEWER (RE: Jackson comment): “Do you think that was a mistake, and would you do that again?"

CLINTON: "No. I think that they played the race card on me. And we now know, from memos from the campaign and everything, that they planned to do it along.

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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:36 PM
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1. It's sad to see an elderly person lose their short term memeory like that.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:38 PM
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6. If only that were the real excuse!
Instead of the truth that he and his wife are pathological liars.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:11 PM
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69. Is Hillary willing to sponsor legislation funding treatment for pathological liars? and...
what that be a conflict of interest?
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:36 PM
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2. Why lie, Bill? Why lie? n/t
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 12:37 PM by writes3000
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:40 PM
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9. Practice makes perfect?
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:42 PM
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12. If perfecting means lying with a self-righteous, antagonistic tone, LOL. n/t
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:05 PM
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63. It is NOT a lie.
You liars should stop lying about what Big Dog said.

At the very minimum, there is a large difference between 'they are playing...' and 'they played...'. One is present continuous tense; the other is simple past tense. They mean two different things. Bill was insisting he did not say "They are playing the race card on me..." and from the quote povided, he is telling the truth. He could have easily meant exactly what he said, i.e., that in So. Carolina the Obama Campaign played the race card on Bill, but they are not currently doing so. That's English, and it's the truth.

It is they who claim he is lying who are lying.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:13 PM
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73. SoTHIS time it all depends on what the definition of "are" is?
Please.
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:15 PM
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74. I guess it depends what your definition of "was" was.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #63
81. Gotcha. It depends on what
the meaning of "is" is.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:37 PM
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3. I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN!
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:37 PM
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4. LMAO!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:37 PM
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5. fucking liar.
disgusting. he was always a filthy liar.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:32 PM
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43. Bill's original statement about the race card was true. The Obama folks
twisted his "fairy tale" comment.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:38 PM
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7. It's pretty bad...
When you can't remember from day to day what you said the day before!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:39 PM
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8. Hillary has a good teacher
:eyes:
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Diamond Dog Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:41 PM
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10. Fucking LIAR.
What a douche.
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:41 PM
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11. Okay....
...they're both crazy.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:43 PM
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13. "I did not have sex with that lie"
Bill Clinton has totally lost it.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:43 PM
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14. The Clinton's are not as good liars as Bush/Rove are, but they are working on it.
Unfortunatley, if they win the primary, the media wont let them use those tactics on McCain- so I hope they get it all out of their system while they can...
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:44 PM
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15. Someone planted a bug in my office!
Oh never mind, turns out it was me! -K. Rove
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:44 PM
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16. The 24/7 Clinton horseshit is exhausting.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:46 PM
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17. Priceless coming from the king of cheap-story diversions.
:rofl:

You're not foolin' anyone, Bill!

:rofl:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:57 PM
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18. I saw this on MSNBC. He is a pathetic shell of the man he used to be.
:puke:
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:58 PM
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19. He pointed that crooked little finger in the camera too.
You know the one. The finger he always points when he is lying.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:00 PM
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20. Is the video up? Bill's departed mother would take him to the woodshed
if she was alive.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:02 PM
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21. I saw it on CNN. Stuck it right up in the camera.
Wait until you see it. It was great.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:06 PM
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24. I gotta see that
:wow:
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:13 PM
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25. Video here:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:16 PM
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26. Thanks any way you can get to our video forum?
His classic lying finger pointing stick..... geez ... he points and she cackles.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:32 PM
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41. More finger wagging!
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:43 PM
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53. So who wants to find out if Jesse Jackson really told him...
...that he didn't mind the comment?

After seeing him lie, when you actually know it's a lie is one thing. Then he went on to say that he asked Jesse Jackson if he minded the comment and he (Jackson) said he hadn't.

Now I want to know if ANYTHING he says is true.

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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:17 PM
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77. I'm past sick of that. nt
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:09 PM
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85. This one!
I did not play the race card with that man, Obama.

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:06 PM
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22. I did not say what I just said - you press people quit playing games with my lies
Hey, at least we're not talking about Hillary Clinton's lack of funds
or her outrageous campaign debt
or her evaporated lead in Penn.
or her outright 180 degree spin on supporting/not supporting John McCain over Barack Obama
or today's Gallup Daily Tracking Poll:

Nope, we're talking about Bill Clinton making yet another outrageous comment.

Fancy that. :think:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:06 PM
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23. Deleted message
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:19 PM
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29. Dude, there's a transcript. He said it word for word!
HELLO!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. Not just a transcript, a tape recording of it and now the video
of him denying he ever said it.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:28 PM
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38. No I mean there is a transcript of the original clinton quote, plus audio, that proves the lie
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:17 PM
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27. kick
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:18 PM
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28. He is the master of deception. The one and only.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:19 PM
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30. Does it matter more if Bill Clinton said it, or if Obama did it?
I'm tired of all this "he said, she said" garbage. Did Obama's campaign use race as a tactic? IMO, yes. He actually lost me when I suddenly saw the Clintons being framed as racists before the SC primary.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:23 PM
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32. If Obama did it, why would Bill deny saying he said it?
:shrug:
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:33 PM
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45. WHO CARES?
The point is that the Obama campaign had a four page memo on how to frame anything doing with the Clinton campaign as racist. It's insane. If they think Bill and Hill are racist, then I consider that a warped view of the world.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:38 PM
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49. Nobody said Bill and Hill are racist. It's just that they played the race CARD and then lied about
it, saying Obama's the one who played it, (it's on tape), then DENIED saying he said it! The Clintons can't be trusted!
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:59 PM
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62. I don't care what he says now. It was the Obama camp that started it
and then pretended to take the high road. It started with the memo (that Obama even admitted to Tim Russert existed, though of course he acted as if he had nothing to do with it) that told campaigners how to frame the fairy tale remarks, and the LBJ remarks, as racist. Donna Brazile jumped right on board, too.

I've linked to this memo several times, so I'm not going to do it again. It's at the Huffington Post, if you want to see it. My boyfriend supports Obama and he won't even look at it.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:12 PM
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72. Of course you don't care that Bill lied (again). But he DID. Proof is on tape.
And Obama has the right to respond to the Clintons' remarks any way he wants. If the Clintons hadn't made the remarks, there'd be nothing to respond to.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 03:34 PM
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80. I believe (and you don't have to and won't) agree
That Obama's camp started this in February. I find it a very common tactic of theirs to start a whisper campaign, then stand back and let Obama pretend to be above the fray. It's not a tactic I care for. Then he even turned his own whisper campaign to his own purposes, with his race speech. It just speaks to who he is, at least as I see it. He skillfully put the Clintons on defense regarding race, then accused them of playing a race card. It's very divisive. Do I like people who put other people on the defensive, then stand back - when it's HIS OWN PARTY? No, I don't. However, it's futile to continue making this argument, because you won't agree. That's fine. You don't need to. And when, after the election, sex education consists of a focus on abstinence, teachers get merit raises based on test scores, and my tax dollars continue to go to charter schools, I don't believe you'll care about that either.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:25 PM
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34. delete dup
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 01:26 PM by SunsetDreams
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:25 PM
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35. yes it does matter, he just lied about what he said
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 01:25 PM by SunsetDreams
which is on tape. Say one thing yesterday, then deny you said it today.

Obama campaign did not play the race card, nor did anyone say that either Clinton was racists.

I'm tired of people believing everything that comes out of both of thems mouth, when the evidence is all on tape.

I am white and even I know that the Clinton campaign played the race card.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:25 PM
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36. So Bill says that Jackson won the primary twice
Gore also won it in 2000 and Edwards won it in 2004. Why didn't he mention either of those two? By choosing Jackson he wants to highlight the idea that black people can easily win in this primary. Not that it has anything to do with Obama's platform, or his experiences, but with his skin color.

What about that doesn't seem racist to you? I'm not trying to flame you or anything, but am interested in how you read this.

Thanks.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:30 PM
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40. exactly! Thanks for posting the obvious!
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:32 PM
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44. I'm glad that you agree, but I'm still waiting for LisaM's response
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 01:34 PM by Cant trust em
or any of the Clinton race deniers at this point. They keep asking for a detailed response to why it's racist, then when I give them what they ask for I never hear back. I've talked with her on different posts, so I'm interested in her counter-point.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:08 PM
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66. This where they 'lost' me...


December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."



Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html




Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.




Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance

By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.


On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.


Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties

By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.

"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.


In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html
Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
By Julie Bosman

KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager.
The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.
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Johnson's comments and remarks by both Clintons before the New Hampshire primary last week had alarmed several black leaders and drew a rebuke from Obama and his top aides.

It began when Hillary Clinton gave an interview in which she seemed to discount King's role in the civil rights movement. Later, former President Clinton cast aspects of Obama's candidacy as a "fairy tale."




Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=278988
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.


CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...

On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.

Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/

Link for lawsuit: http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:20 PM
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31. Denial of the denial in 3...2...1...
:rofl:
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:27 PM
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37. *sigh*
This is really, really sad. And tiresome.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:29 PM
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39. A Clinton? Lying to the press? Oh, my innocence is shattered.
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:32 PM
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42. Loss of oxygen to the brain during heart surgery? I keep thinking of that post
I read the other day on DU.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:33 PM
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46. and Mrs. Clinton didn't lie about Bosnia.
She just missed the details because she was sleep deprived.
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:37 PM
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48. but she wants to answer the phone at 3 a.m.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:42 PM
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52. She'll probably be awake at that time anyway
last call at most D.C. bars is 2:30. After doing a few shots of Crown Royal she'll be feelin' good.

We could be here all day.
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:52 PM
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61. she THINKS she's the crowned royal....
yes, you are right, we could be here all day. It's time to have some fun anyway.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:17 PM
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78. Jon Stewart was hilarious on this
Crown Royal, the only whiskey that comes in a velvet pouch. Which, when you're done with taking shots, can hold the shards of your shattered dreams.

Zing!
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:26 PM
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79. I hear that, definitely.
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:45 PM
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55. I do too....
...my brother had heart surgery a couple of years ago and so I told my sister about that post. My brother works for her husband and he's says he thinks my brother is in the early stages of alzheimers, scary.
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:48 PM
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57. Either that, or the heart drugs he may be on
My ex had heart disease and the drugs he took messed with his mind
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:34 PM
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47. Pathological liars always get their lies twisted up... n/t
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:38 PM
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50. He is almost 62 and under a lot of stress thanks to Barack Obama's hateful smear campaign against
him. It was disgusting what Barack was willing to do to win. It may get him the nomination....it will likely cost him the general election.

Steve
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:47 PM
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56. Seriously...
...you don't see anything untoward coming the other way?
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:49 PM
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58. You've got that mixed up. Hillary and Bill are the liars and smearers.
And you'll find that 85% of the country agrees with me on that.

You need to be deprogrammed.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:51 PM
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60. Boo fucking hoo... I thought he was all tough n' shit...
Bill will always be historically seen as a pathological LIAR. He walked right into the reputation.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:06 PM
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65. Enjoying your stay so far?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:09 PM
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68. yeah...right...


December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."



Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html




Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.




Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance

By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.


On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.


Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties

By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.

"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.


In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html
Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
By Julie Bosman

KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager.
The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.
------------------

Johnson's comments and remarks by both Clintons before the New Hampshire primary last week had alarmed several black leaders and drew a rebuke from Obama and his top aides.

It began when Hillary Clinton gave an interview in which she seemed to discount King's role in the civil rights movement. Later, former President Clinton cast aspects of Obama's candidacy as a "fairy tale."




Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=278988
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.


CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...

On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.

Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/

Link for lawsuit: http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:12 PM
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71. This will be nothing if..
she wins the nomination, Bill and Hill better toughen up...
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:16 PM
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76. Maybe he should get out of the kitchen then. nt
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:41 PM
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51. Bill Clinton = Ronald Reagan? Could it be early dementia?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:44 PM
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54. The Clintons have way over estimated their tolerance and abilities.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:49 PM
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59. He used to at least wait a few weeks or months before lying
Now he's doing it days apart?

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:06 PM
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64. Is he having a "senior moment"? Or just lying through his teeth AGAIN?
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:09 PM
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67. Not only did her say Obama played the race card
He said "I don't think I should have to take any shit off of anybody should I?" at the end of the interview - into a live mic.

Billy has gone from Hero to Zero in this campaign cycle.

VERY disappointing.
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:11 PM
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70. BILL LIED, HILLARYS CHANCES DIED. - nt
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:15 PM
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75. This is so sad...so so sad
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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:02 PM
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82. Bill says what he wants and that makes it so. Gee, where did Hillary learn it.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:03 PM
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83. he lies as much as his wife....must have a great relationship.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:04 PM
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84. Well, it was late at night... Wait til you get in your 60s!!1! Series!
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 04:04 PM by Truth Hurts A Lot
:eyes: :sarcasm:
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:48 PM
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86. They played the clip on MSNBC followed by Clinton lying about it.
The gaping maw newsreader had an ugly smirk on her face after they played the clips.

They caught him lying again.
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