Hillary Clinton has stir up international outrage,

[Hutzpa]

Senator Hillary Clinton comments about Iran nuking Israel and
United States retaliating has got the international press talking
and unsettling.

Here are few of the responses from News around the world;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7359957.stm

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=76fc0cd7-a83b-4d63-9316-fcce07a91ce0

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/22/hillaryclinton.barackobama3

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23582312-5007061,00.html



What is wrong with her?

Hillary supporters, maybe some of you can explain this, is she that
desperate to create this kind of stir with countries reporting
unsettling actions from its citizens from the price of food and
now she is talking another war.

This is accelerated self destruction...


:think: :eyes:

[Independent-Voter]

1. What a fucking idiot. She's no better than Bush's "Bring it On!" horseshit

I still can't believe there are idiots out there that still support this NeoCon shrew.

[izzie]

11. I think in one of her lives she was from that country.

So far she has more ties from places than any one I ever saw. I never understood her running in NY. Heck she spent more time in Mass. in college. Now she may have lived in the Middle East and we just missed it. I sort of wish the Clinton would go 'home' to Ark. like Harry went home to Mo. Give us a brake from these endless Bush/Clinton group. I am just sick of them all that have been in DC for so long. They have made such a mess, let some one else try.

[nebula]

19. Hillary is trying very hard

to out-Bush Bush.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

45. She's Bush's Poodle

Bush has been looking for one since Tony blair left office

[Window]

50. Ooooh. You said "shrew." The Sexist Squad is going to get you!!

:rofl:

[krkaufman]

58. Or "100 Years" McCain's "Bomb Bomb Iran" n/t

[rinsd]

2. Hillary gets people angry on the internet, Obama started a riot in Pakistan.

[sandnsea]

4. Clinton started that riot by lying about what he said

He never said he was going to invade Pakistan, she lied about that. That's what caused the riots in Pakistan and she didn't give a shit about that either. I don't understand why you insist on defending her.

[MonkeyFunk]

7. And everybody here is lying about Clinton

attacking Iran.

[Windy]

9. Are you capable of reading and listening comprehension? Over the last few months

I've come to the conclusion that you do!!

HRC's own words condemn her!

[sandnsea]

24. She said she wanted to create a "security umbrella"

with any country in the ME that would give up nukes. The US would respond with "massive retaliation" against any country that attacked those ME countries.

That is a recipe for WWIII. It's insane. Then add her comments about obliteration and Israel's protectorate. This is what the Arab countries have been saying for years, that the US sides with Israel over all reason and rationality. Hillary just proved it's true.

No lies. I don't know why you can't see that the Clintons are exactly the same as the Bush's as far as globalization and global militarism goes. Did you forget Clinton enacted the military changes that Cheney suggested? Did you forget that Poppy was pushing China trade? Do you really think the consequences of NAFTA and deregulation were accidents? Jesus god wake the hell up. They are not on our side. We will have to raise hell with any President -- but the Clintons have proven they won't listen.

[Zhade]

51. The poster still supports clinton after the Tuzla lies.

Honesty is not that poster's strong suit.

[Kittycat]

34. Come on MF - you were one of the sane posters in the HRC camp

in the past month something has happened with you. Seriously, you cannot defend her comment. Please don't try to. If you support her otherwise sane political policies - that's great, but don't support this. Please. This is no better than what Cheney has been out there doing, and we've been screaming about here on DU for months.

[electropop]

38. Did you see the ABC pseudo-debate?

She certainly did very clearly say she would use nukes on Iran if Iran bombed Israel.

[roguevalley]

57. no they aren't but if it makes you happy that she would nuke babies

have a ball.

[Hutzpa]

13. Its blind loyalty,

nothing else, what does the stats say, majority of people who supports
Senator Hillary Clinton are not the brightest....so you should expect
that.....:shrug:

[truedelphi]

40. The loyalty exhibited makes me suspect that the Pod People

Have arrived.

Just like in the invasion of The Body Snatchers

[movonne]

31. Oh please stopping saying obama did it too....this is serious stuff...how

can this country stand another war???are you nuts...

[rinsd]

46. Everyone loved Obama's tough guy act.

I don't want another war. I don't think either candidate wants more war.

But the double standard is laughable.

[Zachstar]

3. Looks like people are really paying attention to this.

[catgirl]

5. She thought the PA voters would be impressed (nt)

[PoliticalAmazon]

23. She was giving code to the neocons. She needs campaign money...

...desperately and some of the neocons with huge interests in military industry might fork over some more money if they thought she would start WWIII.

[sui generis]

6. I'm with rinsd

but both candidates seem to have foot in mouth disease lately.

A more critical intellectual exercise is to ask WHY a candidate would say something like that, and what, in their cost-benefit analysis would lead them to believe saying such a thing was worth saying it?

Words are not wars in a campaign. You can basically dismiss most of what you hear as rhetoric designed to win somebody's heart, mind, or vote.

I leave the analysis to you at the risk of having APAC ride in and start crapping everywhere AGAIN.

[stillcool]

14. words matter....

a lot. I believe this primary season will be remembered by many for a long time.

[Hutzpa]

16. ?

you lost me pal...

what are you suggesting.......:shrug:

[sui generis]

28. okay I'll bite

There is clearly a powerful enough voting bloc such a statement would appeal to.

to be more, and less clear, there are people who unfortunately don't see anything at all wrong with her saying that.

Words do matter of course, but on a campaign a politico's goals are almost always short term and have little to nothing to do with expecting to actually deliver on their rhetoric.

What matters is that gullible people swallow it, hook line and sinker.

geez I'm cynical these days! :hi:

[Hutzpa]

35. Really..... Reeeeaallly...

and you bite.....:rofl:


So to put it in context your candidate does not speak the truth,
you cannot trust her because she lies and you pal is fighting
for someone that lies to the American public, haven't we have
enough of that already.

Tell me...:shrug:

[sui generis]

42. dear heart

she ain't my candidate. I can't stand either of them.

Unlike rabid supporters of either candidate, I do take care not to drink anyone's koolaid but my own. Is there a bite my ass smiley somewhere? (kidding, humor)

How ya like me naow spokane!

Actually I have not been back to DU in a while, but word up bro: it's a waste of time to "put in context" words in mouths that were never said or implied.

I'll tell you directly what I have had enough of:

Candidates that want my vote even though they are against recognizing my family and marriage unless we "call it something else". So, YOUR candidate (whichever one that is) can suck it too. This mo and his partner and kids do not sit in the back of the bus, EVER, and we don't ask permission either. Apparently, both candidates have an issue with that so I have an issue with them. Wish I could care about the war, the economy, healthcare, the environment, etc., but beyond living conscientiously and being a humanitarian (as opposed to waiting for a candidate to show me how), my family comes first.

I could give a flip what happens or does not happen to Israel, the middle east, or any other place that consistently shits where it eats. Why aren't we in Darfur? Why are SOME countries more equal than others in our foreign affairs regard? That's the crap in politics that makes me such a cranky bastard these days.

[Hutzpa]

Just curious,

your thoughts are with your family and thats what you care about,
hmmmm....that would make you selfish wouldn't it, isn't this the
same thing we're suppose to be fighting about, your thinking
left me with an heavy impression which is your thoughts are thats
of a Republican, only a Republican can think like that.

[Hutzpa]

59. self delete - double post

[Zhade]

52. Lies matter. She's pushing the lie that Iran CAN nuke Israel, when they don't have the nukes!

Words are far more important than your dismissive attitude suggests.

[sui generis]

54. only to people like you.

yawn.

So, you judge me for having a dismissive attitude and not getting hysterical? I confess my feelings are not hurt.

[stillcool]

8. So much for that world standing/perception

thing. Fuck em all.

[Eurobabe]

10. German papers aren't too pleased about it either

Clinton: Wir könnten Iran völlig vernichten (Clinton: We could absolutely annihilate Iran)
http://www.faz.net/s/Rub0A1169E18C724B0980CCD7215BCFAE4F/Doc~EB9F293AC52AB4B0CBD76B07DE51B9B89~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html

[crankychatter]

12. this makes carter talking with hamas look like paddy cake

she is trifling with foreign relations without authority

very dangerous actions on her part

[Hutzpa]

20. Indeed

this does not look good on that experience of hers.

She continues to sway with the wind as oppose to

having her own individual thinking.

[WA98070]

15. Maybe her ability to piss off people is why she has so many negatives. She tries too hard to....

be what she isn't.

[shadowknows69]

17. Not even on the job yet and already alienating the world community

George Bush must be proud of Hillary today.

[Ichingcarpenter]

18. Hillary supporters say......"Bring em on!!!!!!" n/t

[Hutzpa]

21. And what are you going to fight them with

might I asked.....:shrug:

[Ichingcarpenter]

33. Kitchen Sinks, Crown Royal and her father's shotgun

[Hutzpa]

37. lol!

bwahahaha!!!

:rofl:


you made my day....:yourock:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. Nicely reminiscent of "Bring it on!" from another graduate of the Rambo school of diplomacy.

Could "Smoke 'em out." and "Mission Accomplished" be far behind.

[Divernan]

25. Like I've posted before, get her a flight suit and a pair of socks

The only thing she hasn't done yet is strut around like Bush on the carrier deck in front of the mission accomplished sign.

Well, ya know, I remember when I was just a little girl, my father taught me to shoot duckies with pinpoint precision nuclear weapons out back of the cottage at Lake Winola. Ya didn't even have to cook them after that - just served them with some fava beans and a nice Crown Royal.

[msallied]

26. ROFL! Nicely done!

[ScarletSniper]

30. lol

[knixphan]

27. wow. just wow.

[americanstranger]

29. Controversy = Free Media.

Remember, that campaign is running on fumes.

How much face time are they going to get over the next week from this?

Do the math.

- as

[Texas Hill Country]

32. actually, i support her. If anyone NUKES israel, then we should act.

its not like she is saying pre-emption.

[Zhade]

53. By repeating the same act that we condemn?

So, all those dead innocent Iranian kids don't matter?

[eridani]

62. She is fucking LYING about Iran. Iran can't nuke Israel because they don't have nukes.

Promising retaliation for nuking Israel is a direct statement that Iran has nukes.

[RiverStone]

36. Trying to get the war monger's vote in PA? n/t

[truedelphi]

39. All I can think of is the outrage that will be stirred up after those bombs fall

Got Thermonuclear War?

[TragedyandHope]

41. Chalk up another misstep

The list just gets longer and longer as the race goes on. Nobody's perfect, but the cumulative signs do not bode well for the kind of leadership Hillary would offer the country. The President needs to lead on the national level as well bring nations together as a leader of the world community. If she's willing to dismissively incite this kind of international outrage for a few Primary votes, how would she deal with a real international crisis?

[Redbear]

43. There is zero outrage in the four links you posted.

They are simply news stories reporting what was said.

[ksquire]

44. this is a big deal ... ty for reporting. nt

[knixphan]

47. anyone read the NIE?

[Window]

48. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.

Hillary = :nuke:

From now on instead of typing her name, I'll use the symbol above.

God help us all.

[Zhade]

49. She's bolstering the "Iran has nukes" LIE.

But she's a proven liar, so that's no surprise.

[Vinca]

55. If only she'd said "bitter." Maybe the MSM would give it the coverage it deserves. nt

[Raine]

56. Hillary was trying to "out tough" Obama

she stuck her foot in her mouth in the process. The Clintons don't seem to think ahead on how this effects the future, all they care about is the now. :silly:

[MrSlayer]

60. Why does everyone look past the fact that Iran is not going to be nuking anyone anytime soon?

The premise of the question was ridiculous and her answer was just playing the tough guy role. Basically meaningless.

[Armstead]

63. Why did she say such a dumb thing with Gen. Clark as her advisor?

I would have thought she might have vetted her proposal to further militarize the Middle East with Gen. Clark, who I believe would have probably told her to tone it down.

[BREMPRO]

61. On foreign policy, i feel she's morphing into Bush/Cheney

Saber rattling, never surrender, I am the decider, i'll nuke em if they disobey us.
listen folks, IRAN IS NOT GOING TO NUKE ISRAEL. this is BS STRAW MAN posturing for political points, at the further detriment to our international reputation.
She really said we would "OBLITERATE THEM" using nukes. WTF!
Maybe she's angling for jewish bankers, defense and security industrialists to bail her out now that OBama has broken her piggy bank in PA.

[autorank]

64. Insipid in her bellicosity

"That's a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic," Clinton said.

OK, what the Hell is "perhaps" doing in this sentence. It makes no sense. It's a minor point but
it's significant. It indicates that she's not even thinking.

You say you're going to wipe out millions of people and then you say "perhaps" it will work.
Small fragment but it shows how weak her thought processes are.

[Hutzpa]

65. Excellent point,

but don't bank on it, right now there are millions of Americans allowing
themselves to get duped by the Clinton camp, she must know what she is
talking about.

Looks like Americans are about to make the same dumb mistake they made
when they allowed themselves to get carried away, or is it the voting
machines. These days its hard to separate the two, stupidity or rigging
the votes you decide.