Well, Clinton certainly shot holes in her own conflation on the IWR and Kyl Lieberman votes today

[Lerkfish]

I think she proved she absolutely voted for war in Iraq.

and that she absolutely voted to go one step further to invade Iran.

she tried to triangulate that out of her history, but now it should be clear to EVERYONE she did not vote the way she did out of confusion, or being misinformed.

she WANTED WAR. she VOTED FOR WAR. she SUPPORTS WAR.

[goldcanyonaz]

1. Where was Obama for these votes?

First one == Not in Senate

Second one == Too busy campaigning.

[sandnsea]

6. Who fucking cares

What the hell difference does it make when you KNOW she DOES support the entire militaristic takeover of the Middle East. Do you get it??

[goldcanyonaz]

13. It's obvious that the only opinion that matters to you is yours.

[sandnsea]

16. The only thing that matters is the damn truth

She said it with her own mouth. She's going to turn the ME into a war zone and put us smack in the damn middle of it. That's the only outcome there can be when you start telling ME countries that WE are going to be the protectorate. That's what fueled the Saudi terrorists in the first place.

[Shakespeare]

9. Second one = Harry Reid rescheduled the vote at the last minute.

He didn't have time to get back for it.

[high density]

12. Well he definitely wasn't

out there saying he was ready to nuke Iran.

[roguevalley]

18. and that is bad? He wasn't there to vote for war like Clinton and you

make that a bad thing? Gawd. Please, may this end soon.

[global1]

2. She Wanted War. She Voted For War. She Supports War. Except ......

when it comes to her lying to the American people to get their vote.

[tritsofme]

3. Saying that Kyl-Lieberman authorized war with Iran is a lie.

It was a non-binding sense of the Senate resolution.

If you try to represent it as anything else, you are either uninformed or a liar.

[Occam Bandage]

5. Someone claimed it authorized war?

[tritsofme]

8. The OP claims that Hillary voted to invade Iran.

A common Obama argument over the months is that Kyl-Lieberman was a vote to authorize war with Iran.

[Occam Bandage]

11. No. OP claims that Hillary voted "to go one step further" towards invading Iran.

I'm not against her K-L vote, but I think that's a fair interpretation given her recent "obliteration" obsession.

[Lerkfish]

15. thanks for understanding my point

reading comprehension is a lost art to some other people.

[sandnsea]

4. November 2003, We need to "stay the course"

Fuck yes she voted for war. It was clear when she was talking to Code Pink. It was clear when she went to Iraq in Nov 2003 and said we needed to "stay the course". She criticized the CONDUCT of the war, not the war itself. She didn't say she'd end the war until she started running and new Dems would never elect her otherwise.

Why can't people see what is right in front of their noses.

[Vinca]

7. Apparently she figures she's lost the left wing of the party no matter

what, so she might as well root out the warmongers on the far right. Strange days indeed.

[Major Hogwash]

10. She wants to be George's female counterpart soooooo badly.

If she doesn't get to bomb someone, she is going to be really pissed off.

[electropop]

14. Does blowing up her own campaign count as bombing someone?

If so, she should be very happy now.

[mod mom]

17. DLC ties to PNAC (neocons to newbies)

Al From is founder and chief executive officer of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), a dynamic idea action center of the "Third Way" governing philosophy that is reshaping progressive politics in the United States and around the globe. He is also chairman of the Third Way Foundation and publisher of the DLC's flagship bi-monthly magazine, Blueprint: Ideas for a New Century.

As a founder of the DLC -- birthplace of the New Democrat movement and the Third Way in America -- and its companion think tank, the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), From leads a national movement that since the mid-1980s has provided both the action agenda and the ideas for New Democrats to successfully challenge the conventional political wisdom in America and, in the process, redefine the center of the Democratic Party.

-snip

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=191&contentid=1131



Will Marshall, the head of PPI signed PNAC letters.
(Called "Bill Clinton's idea mill," the Progressive Policy Institute was responsible for many of the Clinton administration's initiatives...)
Starting right after 9/11.
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Along with such neocon stalwarts as Robert Kagan, Bruce Jackson, Joshua Muravchik, James Woolsey, and Eliot Cohen, a half-dozen Democrats were among the 23 individuals who signed PNAC's first letter on post-war Iraq. Among the Democrats were Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution and a member of Clinton's National Security Council staff; Martin Indyk, Clinton's ambassador to Israel; Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute and Democratic Leadership Council; Dennis Ross, Clinton's top adviser on the Israel-Palestinian negotiations; and James Steinberg, Clinton's deputy national security adviser and head of foreign policy studies at Brookings.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0522-10.htm

More about Will Marshall
Note the PNAC link to the left.
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295