"No way in HELL I'm voting for a black Muslim."

[BeachBaby]

That's the reply I got from my brother, when I asked him if he was voting.

Our phone call started with the typical brother/sister banter....how's your job; how are the kids; whatcha got planned for the weekend, etc. Then I asked him if he planned on voting, since he's never bothered to register before. He told me he registered in January and that he was, in fact, putting in his vote.

So I said "So....can I ask you which one you decided to go with?"

Answer: "Well, if you ask me, there's only one TO vote for."

Having no idea where he was going with this conversation, I said "Oh yeah, who?"

He says "Are you kidding? You don't know? I'm voting for Hillary. Bill did a good job - and besides, there's no way in HELL I'm voting for a black Muslim."

I tried to correct his massive amount of misinformation, but he had already tuned me out. When I finally YELLED his name, and asked him where he got that information, he said "Michelle, you're so naive. Yeah, I don't watch that much TV, but neither do you, and you could probably stand to watch a little more." So I said "Really? And where have you been gleaning this eye-opening information?" And his horrifying answer was "I don't have time to watch the news, but mom and dad told me enough to know who I'm NOT voting for."

I'm so bitterly disgusted right now. I'm going to go for a walk with my son and look for some critters. Just needed to vent.

[jackson_dem]

1. People claim Obama would be able to respond to swiftboating

Yet 10-15% of people still think he is a (radical) Muslim over a year after this BS began. Where is his great response?

[redqueen]

6. A response to that?

Do you really think you can reason with unreasonable people?

Those aren't votes that can be won over. They're not voting on issues.

[jackson_dem]

15. He has done it subtly in the past but has to do it consistently

With references in things like ads to "my Christian faith, which taught me we need to... X". He won't get all of those people but he needs to get the number down.

As an aside, he doesn't do as bad with those who think he is as Muslim as we expect. He does "only" 16 points worse than Clinton among them. They are mostly rethugs and they both lose that bloc. Clinton gets 42%, Obama 35% but Obama has a lot more firm McSame voters among that bloc and hence the 16 point gap.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. I'm reminded of something somebody once said re: Emmit Till.

"It's just like a n***** to go for a midnight swim in a swamp with an electric cord wrapped around his neck."

[ProSense]

12. Why is another Democrat (Hillary) giving them the impression that he is, and that he

is unpatriotic and tied to terrorists?

Don't you think people are going to believe it more coming from someone in his own party, a colleague, than from a Republican?

[jackson_dem]

17. Come on ProSense she hasn't done that

[redqueen]

19. She has. (nt)

[jackson_dem]

25. When? The ad? The ad also has images of the USSR, the Cuban missile crisis, WW2, and gas lines

Does that mean she is implying he is a Soviet plant? Crises happen. The question is who do you trust to be up to the job? That is a perfectly legitimate question. The furor over this shows how weak Obama is. His polling must show that few people trust him on security so he is terrified about this issue coming up. Well guess what, Barack? This will come up in the GE and you can't hide from it.

[redqueen]

26. No... not the ad. Ayers.

It's not that he's terrified. It's that it's on the same level as going after her about Vince Foster's murder.

It's scurrilous and has no place in politics. That crap should be the fare of Rush and his ilk... not debates and Dem candidates.

[jackson_dem]

28. Ayers isn't a Muslim

[ProSense]

34. Why are you pretending to be ignorant? Hillary is using Ayers to claim Obama is linked to terrorists

You know that.

[beachmom]

"As far as we know", she hasn't done that. Hillary has not been helpful,

but this is bigger than her. We need a united party to fight the lies, which means this primary needs to end soon.

[jackson_dem]

37. She doesn't have to help her in the primaries

Where was Obama when she was being swiftboated on race by his cronies and his campaign?

[beachmom]

30. 15 % of the populace are racist one GOP consultant said.

8% according to a recent poll, and that's where they admitted it. 15% is not enough to mean Obama cannot win.

[jackson_dem]

39. If true that means Obama needs a Reagan-style landslide with the remaining 85%

I agree that roughly 15% are racist but I hope--and don't believe--that 15% would vote based on race. Some of them will bite the bullet and vote for Obama on the issues over McSame. I would say the number of people who will vote against O solely on race is in the single digits. If it is higher than that we are fucked if he is the nominee. He would need 59% of that remaining group, which is what Reagan got when he won 49 states. The last Democrat to get that much support was LBJ when he received 61%.

[MadBadger]

2. I'll only Vote for Black Muslims n/t.

[mmonk]

8. .

:rofl:

[TexasBushwhacker]

3. The question is, will he get a clue by November

and vote for the "black Muslim" if he's the Democratic candidate?

[nichomachus]

4. Welcome to my world

I get this type of crap from my sister all the time -- except she's a Fox-Rush-O'Reilly addict, so you can imagine the garbage I get.

[babylonsister]

5. I haven't talked to my brother in a few years because of politics.

We never agreed on a thing, so we both thought it was for the best. It's been working! I'm wondering about your parents though. Where'd they get their info?

[uponit7771]

9. It prolly be good for Obama to play the Christian card IMHO. Just for a little while, this Muslim...

...thing has been the main reason LIVs are voting against him.

Why don't Hillary voters like Muslims?!?!

that's wierd

[Bucky]

10. Is he a *black* Muslim? I thought he was a just a regular mainstream Muslim.

Certainly Comrade Adolf bin Ladin wouldn't have sent in a sleeper Manchurian candidate from such a radical fringe faction of fascio-islam!

[LisaM]

11. That's really too bad.

Even though I was supporting Edwards, now Hillary, I have sent the debunking email on to two friends who support Obama and got the obnoxious right-wing email from other friends.

[BlooInBloo]

13. Par for the course in America. No matter how much white folks try to deny it...

... And it's the "good whites" who allow it to continue, by pretending that it's only "a few bad apples" (because if it's only a feew bad apples, there's really no need to do anything).

We have a REALLY good system, ensuring that racism will live FOREVAH!!!

[Faygo Kid]

14. I'm sorry you have such an ignoramus for a brother. But he is an ignoramus.

I trust he's a "good guy." But he's an ignorant racist.

So sorry to say it, but as a middle-aged white guy, I am sick and tired of the ignorance and hate of so many of my peers.

[Raine]

16. I didn't know that a "black Muslim" was running...

:shrug:

[Auntie Bush]

18. How can anyone hold that ridiculous position

after all the millions Obama has spent to correct it? Are they deaf and blind to the media and MSM? How's he going to defeat the RW Rove machine if he can't even convince 100% of the population that he is indeed a Christian? He needs another big speech in front of a row of flags. That ought to do it!

[redqueen]

22. You don't honestly think anyone can convince 100% of anyone of anything, do you?

[Auntie Bush]

40. Wellllll....make that 98% to be more exact.

If anyone believes that...they should not be allowed to vote as they are too stupid to comprehend to ballot. Sometimes I wish people had to pass an easy test to show they know a minimum of information about the election. I guess I'll have to take that back too in a couple minutes. I already know that's not democratic. But.............

[unc70]

31. Has the latest version of this actually been debunked?

The original version was so over the top that it was easy to debunk and easy for us to dismiss. The current version has a lot more detail and AFAIK has not been debunked.

The current version focuses on when Obama attended public school in Indonesia and claims he was registered as a Muslim and received religious training as a Muslim at the school, that he sometimes went with his stepfather to prayers, and sites articles in various articles to back up these claims. Since he has categorically denied ever being a Muslim, then if there is anything that supports these claims, then we have a problem. Does anyone know of this version being debunked?

BTW I had just posted about seeing a lot of this type stuff here in NC recently coming from the RW.

[blue sky at night]

20. its just an easier thing to say than...........

a word that rhymes with Bigger. Hope your bro don't loose too much skin from the knuckles, and hope he is ready for four more years of Bush World.

[Love Bug]

21. I live in Minnesota and I DID vote for a Black Muslim

And y'know what? Everything is cool. :-)

[Dr Fate]

23. Sounds like someone who could be easily fooled into voting for McCain over Hillary.

n/t

[Johnny__Motown]

24. Be happy you got the brains in the family...

[Texas Hill Country]

27. you brother is representative of the large majority of the country, sad to say.

[beachmom]

36. No, about 15% of the country, to be exact. We're not THAT bad, for crying out loud. nt

[beachmom]

29. I have concluded that some people aren't interested in the truth.

They have internalized the propaganda, and there is no way of convincing them otherwise. What we need to hope is that a higher percentage of folks are smarter and more open than that.

[TahitiNut]

32. Sounds like the Hilly demographic to me.

:shrug: :eyes:

[Life Long Dem]

33. He's not taking this seriously.

[Zachstar]

35. Obama has told us time again it was not going to be easy.

Let us face it. There is going to be a number of Americans who can't stand the thought of a Black man becoming president of the United States. And they are going to fight tooth and nail to keep that from happening.

The Muslim part is just bullshit that mostly died after pastorgate. Only the idiots use that now.

However because he is black the "Good ole boy" system is going to make itself apparent this year. We have already heard about Church houses being used to spread Operation Chaos.

And before you say "HA that is why Obama can't be elected!" Well the fact is there is just as much that can't stand the thought of a woman being president. They BOTH have the problem with discrimination.


This is why the Internet is so important. Assholes who lie can be caught on media and exposed in accordance of law. When you see people forming networks to try to spread BS and discriminatory crap about the democratic nominee you interrupt the network with debunks and reporting it to the net. It makes it harder for them to get support by people with a name to hold that way.

As for your parents. I urge you to spend as much time as possible on the phone with them debunking their crap and if they dont want to listen you just give them positive stuff over and over again. You have to be the one to break the cycle of racism.

[unc70]

42. I asked above, have the latest versions actually been debunked?

All I see are the earlier, over-the-top ones being debunked. If so, where?

[rucky]

38. He's just pushing your buttons.

right?



right?

[Owl]

41. Tell him to vote for Mr. Obama instead!

[TragedyandHope]

43. How about a white muslim?