Race and the polls.

[hiaasenrocks]

If the exit polls are correct (and they look similar to previous polling data) what does this say about race in America?

Whites
Clinton 60%
Obama 40%

Blacks
Clinton 8%
Obama 92%

EDIT: MSNBC (tv) just had polling data that closely resembled these numbers, off by less than roughly 5% on each count.

[goldcanyonaz]

1. No gender polls?

[hiaasenrocks]

6. Here

Men
Clinton 47%
Obama 53%

Women
Clinton 55%
Obama 44%

[FrenchieCat]

2. That all kind of folks like Obama.....

Hillary, not so much? :shrug:

[hiaasenrocks]

9. All kinds of folks?

No racial divide?

[Triana]

3. America is racist. It's also sexist, ageist, and classist. Any more Questions? (n/t)

[hiaasenrocks]

8. Yes.

According to the polls, who is more likely to vote along racial lines?

[JeanGrey]

4. It says what we ALREADY KNOW - that there are a bunch of

racists dickheads out there, and believe me Hillary knew it too.

[hiaasenrocks]

7. Based on the exit polling?

[JeanGrey]

13. Based on the "no way will I vote for a black muslim" shit I've

heard enough to make me puke.

[hiaasenrocks]

16. Any concern over the racial divide indicated in the exit polling?

It lines up with previous data from states with similar demographics. 92% is certainly interesting, isn't it?

[JeanGrey]

69. Yes of course.

[Texas Hill Country]

5. looks like whites arent voting along racial lines to a significant degree?

[johnnydrama]

11. but women are voting for Hillary by 20+

[hiaasenrocks]

12. Not by a huge margin.

Men
Clinton 47%
Obama 53%

Women
Clinton 55%
Obama 44%

[Texas Hill Country]

21. more like 10.... it is certainly not a 8 to 92 split.

[GoldieAZ49]

14. Yes it does

interesting considering all the charges of racism

[Texas Hill Country]

15. interesting isnt it? hmmmmmmm......

[hiaasenrocks]

17. Very interesting. And we're seeing someone attempt to make the case in this thread.

This should be interesting....

[Texas Hill Country]

22. i dont think a case needs to be made, i think any dunderhead that looks at the results knows already

it makes me very sad. even if the numbers ran the opposite way, it would make me sad.

[hiaasenrocks]

24. I agree. It's obvious racial preference voting. And it's pathetic.

It would be just as pathetic the other way, too.

But it's amazing watching the PC crowd twist and turn trying to explain how this is OK.

[Texas Hill Country]

27. i think it is understandable, it just makes me very sad.

[Binka]

51. I'm Sure It Makes You Inconsolable

:cry:

[EffieBlack]

66. Why do you assume it's "racial preference voting"

Just because a majority of black voters this time around are voting for the black candidate against the white candidate?

In 2004, 80% of black voters voted for white candidates in the primary, even though two black candidates were in the race. On the other hand, 99% of white voters voted for white candidates, against the black candidates. Was that proof of "racial preference voting" by white voters?

It is crazy to just look at one election cycle and assume that the fact that a demographic votes a certain way is proof of any kind of racial preference. Black voters have for years voted for white candidates in large numbers, even when black candidates are running. If black voters were engaging in "racial preference voting," this would have been evident in past races. But it's not. Which means that it's very likely that the fact that black voters this time around are voting in large numbers has to do with something other than race, since if race were the determining factor, it would affect other elections as well.

This argument reminds me of the "why do all of the black kids sit together in the cafeteria" question that often comes up when someone notices ten black kids sitting at one table. They fail to notice that the white kids are also all sitting together - for some reason, the sea of white people who are all clumped together doesn't appear to be a "group" since they are in the majority while the small group of blacks is more obvious because they stand out.

White voters have been voting in blocs for white candidates against black candidates for years, but no one seemed to care - they just assumed that the white voters were voting the issues and that they believed the white candidates were more qualified. And black voters have also been voting in large numbers for white candidates against black candidates for years, and no one seemed to care - it was just assumed again that black voters were voting for the white candidates because they thought the white candidates were more qualified.

Yet, all of a sudden, when black voters do what white voters have always done - voted in overwhelming numbers for a candidate of their race (although the numbers are not as overwhelming as the percentages in which whites tended to support white candidates) - folks seem to have trouble believing that this could be because they actually think the black candidate is more qualified. Something must be wrong - why else would they all vote for the black guy if it weren't because he was black?

[stillcool]

10. But what about the Hispanics?

and the Chinese? How about the Jews, and the atheists? The Irish and the Poles?

[sandnsea]

18. Black people weren't duped on Iraq either

They're a helluva lot better judge of character than I ever realized. That's what those numbers tell me. White people will put a bag over their head in order to support their 'god' of the day. It's pathetic.

[hiaasenrocks]

19. Got any data to support the idea that the racial divide is over Iraq?

Thanks in advance.

[sandnsea]

20. That isn't what I said

I said black people weren't duped on Iraq, go check the polls at the time. They aren't being duped by Hillary either. They see her clearly and vote accordingly. White people on the other hand, will tolerate any amount of shit and stick with their white god of the day. It makes me sick.

[hiaasenrocks]

23. Ah.

So the fact that 92% of one racial voting bloc voted for their own race, while only 60% of the other voted along their racial lines, it shows that the latter group is stupid.

Un-fucking-believable, the lengths to which some will go to excuse obvious racial preferences. Pathetic.

I imagine you'll respond by carrying on with some other nonsense, so go ahead. But while you're at it, can you link some polling data that shows how blacks and whites stood during the run-up to the war (as you suggested)?

[sampsonblk]

39. Here you go

NY Times
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A06E0DE1030F935A15750C0A9659C8B63

CommonDreams.Org (from the Boston Globe)
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0226-07.htm

"BLACK FOLKS do not want to invade Iraq. The question for Americans is whether to view this as unpatriotic or as a tweet of sanity that warns us we are about to walk into a horrific explosion. According to a poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, 44 percent of African-Americans support the use of military force in Iraq. That compares with 73 percent of white Americans. Other polls show black support to be far less..."

---/-/---

Gallup also did a poll. Its out there if you want to find it.

[hiaasenrocks]

46. Could that be related to this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5625340&mesg_id=5626054

Just more partisan opposition, as the author of that posts suggests?

I see nothing there indicating the substance of the opposition.

Interesting.

[sandnsea]

44. Anybody voting for Hillary at this point is fucking stupid

or just not paying attention. Sorry, you just don't vote for someone who says they ran from sniper fire, when they didn't, unless you've got some screws loose. If you were paying attention before the war, you wouldn't need those numbers, you'd know what they were. You could pay attention now and get them yourself.

[hiaasenrocks]

49. See my post above. And, for the record, I have no interest in Hillary.

I'm dissatisfied with both of these duplicitous clowns.

[Zynx]

26. Nah, no racial stereotypes in that post at all.

For the record this white person always opposed the war.

[sandnsea]

40. Hey, the numbers don't lie

They got it, white people didn't.

:shrug:

[JVS]

25. Hillary's Southern Strategy would just barely catch up to Obama if only white people voted

But since black people do and will vote, she can't catch up!
If these numbers are true, she's done.

[hiaasenrocks]

30. Hillary's and Bill's race-baiting isn't working, that's for sure.

But what do you think of 92% of one race voting for a person of the same race. Is there some similar strategy label to the "Southern Strategy"?

[JVS]

37. 92-8 is a split not unheard of in the black community in favor of Dems over republicans.

Black people vote overwhelmingly for democrats in every election, it's just that this time they knew which democrat they wanted from (not long after) the beginning. Furthermore, Clinton had to expect low levels of support after dismissing electoral defeats on the grounds that it was black voters who didn't support her. Blowing them off like that was not a good move.

Obama has proven his ability to reach white voters as well with his smashing victories in the upper midwest.

[hiaasenrocks]

38. Why don't we hear more about this racial identity voting? Too hot a topic?

The earlier Obama victories you cite may have turned out differently if those voters had known more (or ANYTHING) about him at the time. Back then, just a few months ago, he was running as a motivational speaker.

[JVS]

45. I disagree. I think that the polarization is because Clinton ran a conservative campaign...

in which rather than try to reach out to demographics outside of her strong area, she just beat the drum to rally them.

Obama has made consistent efforts to appeal to all demographics and tried like hell NOT to be pegged as the "Black Candidate" for the simple reason that Black voters are not numerous enough to carry an election.

Hillary's strong suits (Whites and Women) are both majorities in electoral terms and thus she catered to them and ignored the concerns of other groups. She has no right to expect any black support after doing this.

[EffieBlack]

67. Black voters have almost always voted for white candidates over black candidates in the past

They didn't get transfixed by Sharpton's or Moseley-Braun's or Wilder's race that they followed them blindly in lockstep. So why do you assume that the fact that they're voting for Obama in large numbers this time is because they all of a sudden got struck color-conscious?

Hey, maybe this time around, a substantial majority of black voters believe that Barack Obama would make a better president than Hillary Clinton - for reasons other than his race - just as a substantial majority of black voters thought that John Kerry and John Edwards and Howard Dean would make a better president than Al Sharpton in 2004.

Black people aren't stupid. We're just as capable as white people of discerning who best will carry out our interests and voting accordingly. It's rather insulting to see people assume that the same black voters who have voted for white candidates for decades are voting for a black candidate solely based on his race.

[beachmom]

28. What? 40% of the white vote is really fantastic. That is not a polarized stat.

MS was like 28% of the white vote for Obama. This is a marked improvement.

[JVS]

32. Now if we can factor out all the old people who will be dead in 15 years...

maybe we can see how the future of white voters being willing to accept black politicians would be like.

[hiaasenrocks]

34. Any opinion on the polarized stat that does exist?

[JVS]

41. This is what happens when someone goes around for 6 weeks praising "small town"...

and "Blue collar" white voters as the greatest thing ever. Just as everyone knows that "urban voters" is code for Black, "Small Town" and "Blue Collar" are code for White (Country-style) and White (low income city style)

[hiaasenrocks]

43. So, once again, it's excusable.

At least on one side. Got it.

[JVS]

47. Why should black people vote for Hillary?

She's ignored them at best and insulted them at worst.

It's not excusable because it doesn't need an excuse at all!

[hiaasenrocks]

52. Why should race be a factor at ALL?

Shouldn't blacks and white and hispanics and everyone else be voting on who best addresses the issues of the economy, health care, etc?

You'd think that people would, but I guess not!

[JVS]

55. If you don't want it to be a factor, quit complaining about the race of the voters and how they vote

Color Blind stat for you: PA 52 Clinton, 48 Obama. Happy?

[hiaasenrocks]

57. It is a factor, whether I want it to be or not.

Nice try with the "if you don't like it, shut up" tactic. Sorry, doesn't work.

[JVS]

59. You're the one making it a factor when you break the stats down based on race

Take you 57 as answer to your 52

[hiaasenrocks]

61. LOL. Okay...

[sandnsea]

63. Because the Clintons made race a factor

when they started blathering about Obama the drug dealer back in Dec, and Obama's wonderful middle name "Hussein", and "shuck and jive", and "cool black friend", and dismissing black votes the way you just did.

[EffieBlack]

68. Why do you assume that "people" aren't? Do you assume that black people are

voting for Obama for reasons other than his qualifications? What proof do you have of that other than the fact that they're voting for Obama and they're black and he's black?

[Texas Hill Country]

35. i dont think it was the white vote the OP was pointing out...

[Pisces]

29. It says that Clinton has offended African Americans, and myself with her race baiting

[hiaasenrocks]

33. So they (and you) vote for Obama based on that?

Hmmmm. OK.

[indimuse]

31. again...very telling..and sad!

.

[Levgreee]

36. It shows that unless you think many black people have poor judgement, that her campaign has been

offensive to them. Bill's comment was a large part of it, also Ferraro and Hillary's reluctance to denounce her comment about Obama being an Affirmative Action candidate.

I am white and believe blacks tend to have a better handle on knowing who is being respectful towards them and who is not. And I think the polls are a very clear indication of how their campaigns have been handled in regards to race issues.

And also Obama's speech on race and how he respectfully dealt with right impressed AA voters. There was definitely racism going on during the whole Wright debacle, Obama's church and Wright were truly being crucified unlike any white person has been in a very long time.

[goletian]

50. when hillary address blacks, what do they get?

a patronizing, fake, country accent and talk of plantations to incite emotion instead of reason. when obama addresses blacks what do they get? same thing white folks get -- the truth.

[brooklyndemo]

42. I'm surprised Latinos are not included

I am Latino and I would like to see us counted. Jeez, at least pretend we exist.

[Binka]

48. Ugly Ugly Ugly & Blatant Attempt To PIMP The Reverse Racism Meme

Read Tim Wise and then get back to DU. Not surprising the people supporting your premise.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/selfnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1024893033,80611,.shtml

[hiaasenrocks]

56. The "meme" meme strikes again.

Yawn.

Ignore the numbers if you wish. I'd expect nothing different.

I've seen Tim Wise speak. He's light on wisdom, heavy on the misplaced guilt. I'm sure it's made a good foundation for his career but he's not worth a second look.

[kwenu]

53. That Obama has won his natural constituency overwhelmingly and Hillary hasn't.

Every candidate is supposed to do this by the way. Recall GORE and his home state of Tennessee.

[harun]

54. It says blacks don't buy the bullshit as much as whites do (n/t)

[hiaasenrocks]

60. And on that racist note, thanks for the discussion everyone!

Time to get some supper!

:hi:

[Binka]

64. Go Eat Some Jim Crow n/t

[tekisui]

58. Blacks historically vote in block.

And they are needed for a Dem Win. Hillary can't bring them.

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[EffieBlack]

65. Nothing, unless you compare it to previous years - there's no context here.