Including FL and Michigan, Hillary only trails by 9 delegates

[Clintonista2]

After Penn, she will be ahead of Obama in delegates, including those two states. My bet is that both states will end up seated. http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/21/superdelegates-pick-a-winner/


You may return to your regularly scheduled "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH fest" now.

[lisa58]

1. too bad you can't count them - that would be cheating

[Clintonista2]

DU is like the Bush whitehouse sometimes

All the Obamabots only hear what they want to hear (since 98% of DU is Obama supporters). Thus, they end up sitting in the echo bubble, insulated from reality.

[Zhade]

38. How ironic, considering you want to cheat like b*s* does.

Thankfully, your prattle will be silenced once Obama becomes the nominee.

[merh]

62. LOL

you are such a hoot - :rofl:

[Colobo]

2. That's the problem. FL and MI don't count. Don't you understand?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

48. There is that, plus Penn is incapable of recounting.

There goes that prettied packaged beribboned corporate gift destined for HRH HRC again.

[tekisui]

3. LOL!!!

[ingac70]

4. Don't bother with MI and FL... they will NOT count. n/t

[VeraAgnes]

5. That is correct!

You know what the final play of the game will be! O8)

[Colobo]

9. Yeah- FL and MI won't count and Obama will be the nominee.

That'll be the end of the story.

[VeraAgnes]

55. You are in Stage I

The stages Kubler-Ross identified are:



Denial (this isn't happening to me!)

Anger (why is this happening to me?)

Bargaining (I promise I'll be a better person if...)

Depression (I don't care anymore)

Acceptance (I'm ready for whatever comes)



:grouphug:

[Radio_Lady]

63. OT: I've been told that Kubler-Ross had a difficult death.

Do you happen to know more about it?

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

[islandmkl]

66. the unidentified stage:

Action (I am tired of you fucking with me. I'm not angry. I am just putting a stop to you fucking with me. Now.)

[oviedodem]

6. Obama was not on the Michigan ballot hence it does not count; I will concede Florida

[BeatleBoot]

35. He should have showed up.

Leaders tend to do that.

Show up.

[John Q. Citizen]

80. China will put Hill way ahead and she didn't show up there. Same with N. Korea.

[BeatleBoot]

86. She'll Win Florida and Ohio and Pa.

and Michigan in November.

Mr. Sunshine (the one without a dawn or sunset under his belt)?

Not so much.

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[abbyg8r]

8. This is such a desperate argument. I think it deserves a Hillary cackle.

[newmajority]

10. Including the North Pole, Naboo, and the Rigel system, Hillary is ahead by 8,675,309 delegates!!

And every last one of them is legit as Michigan and Florida!!

[bigwillq]

18. HA!

This made me LOL! :rofl:

[Clintonista2]

24. Well, since Dean has stated that FL and michigan will probably end up being seated

You can have your North Pole, Naboo, and the Rigel system.

[Zhade]

44. You left out "in a way that pleases both campaigns".

So, again, you fail - like clinton.

[last1standing]

11. Including the flying monkeys that keep popping out of my butt...

I have an allstar baseball team.

Too bad your fantasies are about as realistic as mine, huh?

[davidinalameda]

25. you have a fantasy about flying monkeys popping out of your butt?

interesting

:scared:

[last1standing]

39. It's my new medication.

I guess I should have gone to the pharmacy that WASN'T located in the basement of an abandoned building.

[AZBlue]

12. So you'd like to cheat if that ensures a win? In that case, why not just keep Bush another 4 years?

How moral of you. Yeah, that's the kind of president we really need. Oh wait, we already have one.

[Occam Bandage]

13. Including the population of China, Hu Jintao leads by several thousand delegates. So?

[Clintonista2]

16. Is China an American state that voted in the Dem primary?

Didn't think so.

[Occam Bandage]

23. Just like MI and FL, China was not awarded delegates in the Democratic convention.

I don't see how you could count MI and FL, and not take China's desires into account.

[Clintonista2]

31. They won't end up being seated?

That's not what Howard Dean says: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/02/dems.campaign/

[Occam Bandage]

40. "To find a fair solution" means "yeah, will find a way to give them a token representation."

If you think that means, "yeah, we'll let them be the margin of victory," you're as deluded as your candidate.

[bluetrain]

45. They oughtta revote. /nt

[Zhade]

56. That chance was turned down several times.

NT!

[bluetrain]

67. I know, but it undermines to the outcome given the circumstances of those votes.

[CakeGrrl]

90. They will NOT be seated "as-is", which would be a coup for your candidate

seeing as she got a bunch of delgates as the only name on the ballot in an invalid Michigan primary. But Dean isn't into cheating, so she ain't gonna get those for nothin'.

[newmajority]

85. Hillary apparently thinks so

All those years she spent on the board of WalMart obviously paid off for the Chinese.

[sandnsea]

14. She isn't even winning with cheating

:rofl:

[islandmkl]

15. leaving out the last 4 minutes of the Super Bowl...

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS....SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS!!

math is not your friend....

[davidinalameda]

17. someone forgot to take their meds today!

[Hepburn]

32. That is an everyday event with this one....

...gawd, please activate IGNORE!

[RB TexLa]

19. Shhhhhh! They tried to get uppity and disturb the "White Primary" can't talk about them

[truthpusher]

20. oh puuuuullllleeeeeezzzzzzeeeeeee shut the FUCK UP!

[burythehatchet]

seconded

[cali]

21. lol! tough shit for you whiney hilldroid.

they don't count. now quit your whinging. it's a bore. and unless hily wins by 10+ she's still fucked, bot.

[CatsDogsBabies]

22. She is still losing even if she cheats

what does that say about her?

[John Q. Citizen]

26. With Mexico included she's way ahead. Add China and North Korea and she's untouchable.

[Pastiche423]

77. You forgot Iran

[John Q. Citizen]

79. With Hill nuking them I don't think there will be that many votes left to count

[Pastiche423]

84. Oh lordy!

I din't think of that!

But! Even if she agreed not to count the votes of the remaining Iranians in the beginning, she'd change her mind again.

She'll take a SD where ever she can find one.

[rox63]

27. What part of "MI and FL don't count" didn't you understand? n/t

[BeatleBoot]

28. Michigan has already picked their delegates..

Saw it in the Detroit Free Press.

And every intention is that they will participate in Denver.

See you there!

It's going to be a blast!

[David Zephyr]

29. Don't forget to add the Martian delegates and the Disney delegates.

If you are adding fantasy to your numbers, why not go all the way.

Make believe is a wonderful salve when reality is too hard.

:hi:

[burythehatchet]

42. not to mention Sarek and his delegation

[kwenu]

30. Hillary will not get to claim the FL and MI votes AS IS.

[Zhade]

33. They will not be seated.

Keep dreaming, Obama will be the nominee once you wake up.

[GetTheRightVote]

34. I am from Florida and we do not need this state to screw up another

election wasn't the last 2 stolen elections enough for you ??

They should be.

[AldebTX]

36. How do you figure 9?

Even if they are seated...

40% of Michigans delegates are uncommitted.

Hillary does not get all the florida delegates either...

so how to you figure 9?

[Name removed]

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[AldebTX]

50. Thought so

I have seen all the calcs even with the delegates seated..and the only way she can win is a huge shift of the supers...

[Seen the light]

59. I wish there was an option to unrecommend threads

This thread is based off a blatant lie and has had this much of a response and has been sent off to the Greatest page. Same thing with the thread that declared that Clinton had taken over the popular vote with tonight's results...another lie.

Driving me insane tonight.

[Zhade]

52. clinton and her supporters aren't interested in honesty, but power.

Fuck her and her lying supporters.

[blonndee]

41. "If you include X" IF you only go by electoral votes" "IF you only count female votes," IF we ran

our primaries like the repukes do."

What a sad commentary on the Clinton campaign. If only EVERYTHING were different, they might have a chance. Except that the Obama campaign would have adjusted their tactics accordingly. Seems like his campaign has kicked her ass as is. No wonder she and her supporters want to change the rules now. Just like a bratty, spoiled elementary school child.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

43. wait til NC

[Kesaco]

46. Not supposed to mention Fla. and Mich. to Obama supporters.......

Big states that are crucial in the general election make them nervous.

[RiverStone]

47. Right - count a state where Obama was not on ballot and another that did not count

Will never happen as is!

I'm for a redo in both states.

But the votes you refer to were not cast in a legit primaries.

[JerseygirlCT]

49. Except that FL and MI don't count.

So that doesn't matter.

[Austinitis]

51. Who cares about delegates? Popular vote!

That's what we go to the super-delegates with. That's where the democracy's at.

[Zhade]

64. Then they'd STILL go with Obama, considering HE HAS MORE POPULAR VOTES.

I swear, clintbots can't do basic math.

[HooptieWagon]

53. HillBots don't do math.

[JasonHill]

54. and if 10 million extra voters voted for hillary

she would have 10 million extra votes. In other words, this line of reasoning is completely faulty because both Florida and Michigan Primaries are completely illegitimate by the process established by the Party and agreed to by all candidates beforehand. To change the rules after the process is started in order to favour one candidate over another, especially when their illegitimacy no doubt had an impact in their function, is completely unethical and should be rebuked by all members of the party.

[high density]

57. Including the space alien vote, Hillary wins by 12340981254 delegates.

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[AldebTX]

58. I'll take the popular vote too

Even with the popular vote of both Michigan and Florida and Pennsylvania figured in with a 12 point win she still trails in popular vote...

So now how does she win again?

[FlyingSquirrel]

60. FALSE and MISLEADING (proof below)

OMG a false statement from a Hillary supporter who's usually on my ignore list? What a shocker.

Obama 1483 236 1719
Clinton 1431 270 1701
Edwards 31 -- 31
Uncomm. 55 -- 55
Remaining 566 343 909

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/

In other words, she's behind by 18, but only if you ignore the 55 "Uncommitted" delegates in MI. Since the only way MI could possibly be counted (as she was the only one on the ballot and it was declared unconstitutional) would be to give Obama all 55 Uncommitted delegates, the statement that she's behind by only 9 is clearly not true.

[Blue_Roses]

61. YOUR 3 are up

and the night's just starting...:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[smalll]

68. Excellent post. Nice point!

I think your OP, particularly seen in the light of this OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5626741
make it clear. This thing is far from over!

[RBInMaine]

69. Change your meds. SlickHilly AGREED to the rules ! FL and MI will be seated, but FAIRLY !

[ScarletSniper]

70. Delusional

[stillcool]

71. LMAO

If at first you don't succeed try, and try, and try, and try, and try...

What's next on this list? "Elitist", "Race", "Rezko", "Ayers", "Flag Pin", "Reverend Wright", "Gender-card"?

[Zhade]

75. With the OP, like clinton, it's "if at first you don't succeed, lie and lie again".

NT!

[ProSense]

72. That's BS. The total MI and FL delegates for Hillary would be 178 and for Obama 122

Assuming that Obama gets the uncommitted delegates.

Current pledged delegate count: Hillary 1250 Obama 1416

Add MI and FL
Hillary 1428 Obama 1538

Add PA by 10 pt for Hillary:
Hillary 87 Obama 71

Hillary 1515 Obama 1609

Obama + 94

But then again, MI and FL don't count.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

73. With a ladder, I'm taller than Yao Ming.

[SoCalDem]

74. OMG!!! IF YOU INCLUDE NEPTUNE & URANUS, SHE'S AHEAD 3 BRAZILLION

All Hail !
Hillary Queen of the Universe

[BlooInBloo]

76. Clinton supporters love to think about cheating.

[mod mom]

78. She signed a pledge. You can read it here:

This is a direct and unequivocable violation of her pledge to the DNC and Democratic voters.  She signed a pledge not to campaign OR PARTICIPATE.  Here's the relevant section of the pledge (pdf):

THEREFORE, I (Hillary Clinton), Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules, pledge to actively campaign in the pre-approved early states Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina. I pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window (any date prior to February 5, 2008).

By her own admission, she has broken her pledge.

-snip
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/13/11136/3289/192/475758


Hillary's word: It's worth nothing


Tuesday, Jan. 29, 2008

COURTING VOTERS in Iowa and New Hampshire, last August Sen. Hillary Clinton signed a pledge not to "campaign or participate" in the Michigan or Florida Democratic primaries. She participated in both primaries and is campaigning in Florida. Which proves, again, that Hillary Clinton is a liar.

Clinton kept her name on the Michigan ballot when others removed theirs, she campaigned this past weekend in Florida, and she is pushing to seat Michigan and Florida delegates at the Democratic National Convention. The party stripped those states of delegates as punishment for moving up their primary dates.

-snip

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=0853268a-d982-4190-81e8-740ae942f510&headline=Hillary's+word%3A+It's+worth+nothing

[PseudoIntellect]

81. Those states won't decide the outcome.

They can be seated without deciding the outcome. Understand that. They were ruled unconstitutional.

[Raine]

82. LOL they don't count but you already know that

(cause you really are smarter than that). So try again and use states that actually are included because they followed the rules...and stop being so silly. :silly:

[bigbrother05]

83. Terry? Terry? Is that you, Terry?

If Grandma had wheels, she'd be a camper.

[DefenseLawyer]

87. If you count the straw poll at the annual Rodham Family Reunion

Hillary gains no additonal delegates but is +27 in the popular
vote.  

[The Stranger]

88. But we aren't going to include FL and Michigan. IT'S OVER.

[Medusa]

89. Hillary and her enablers are math impaired

they also seem to live either in Fantasyland or in the state of Denial.