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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:57 PM Original message |
Bitter? Obama's class problem. What would Obama do in the GE with a diminished affluent base? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. Penn is a Hillary home state and she can only win it by single digits |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. This is about Obama. Our nominee, wink wink, right? |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. You got that right your nominee |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. Hey, I'm bitter. Gas is $3.56 a gallon. What if we nuke Iran... then what?? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. I have more faith in real Democrats to vote Obama over McCain than you |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I know political history. You apparently don't |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Channeling Tom Cruise, eh? |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
56. lol |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. If you knew politcal history you would cease supporting the loser |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. I support the one candidate remaining he can win the GE |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. He can, indeed, win the GE. So if you support Obama, why do you keep posting in defense |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. Down by 20 4 weeks ago, prolly by 4 by the end of the night. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. Given that he strongly outperforms Clinton in head-to-head polls against McCain, i'd say the |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Losing Wyoming by 10 instead of 20 won't do us any good in the GE |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Nope. Winning the popular vote by 5% instead of losing it by 10% will, however. You can |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
44. That ignores history and political gravity |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
8. What will Hillary do when young people, new voters, independents, and especially |
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MidwestTransplant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. She can make up for it with her high positive ratings....oh never mind |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
45. O is far more liked yet he is less electable. Many folks like him but won't vote for him |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
30. McCaskill is a DINO, Sebilius - meh |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Hillary has proven to be the DINO of this campaign. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
42. Obama is not going to win older white women. Period. |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
11. The working class would chose McCain in the GE? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Obama would need 48% of the white working class to win according to John Judis |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
12. Obama folks: Don't feed it. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. cali owned by the facts again and runs |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
15. Hillary got 8% of the vote from the Democrats most loyal voting bloc. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. So did Dukakis against Jesse Jackson. In the GE he got 9 out of 10 black votes |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. Thanks for not answering the question. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. That is why the popular vote is vital |
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MattNC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. "Unless she wins the popular vote" |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
16. You make a very good argument, jackson. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. If you want to make that sort of claim, |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. We have more of a chance of luring high-income whites to our coalition under Clinton |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Which is why Obama consistently beats Clinton in head-to-head matchups against McCain? |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. National polls mean nothing in April. n/t |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Except for defeating claims of unpopularity. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Obama does 1-2 points better but worse in the electoral college |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. It is a false hope. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Right now--and that is because he doesn't lose as badly in red states |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. We have to weight the two. Those groups shrink in the GE, hers grow |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Er, yeah. Except for the fact that GE polling shows the opposite trend you suggest. |
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chascarrillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
19. What do all Democrats do with a diminished affluent base? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. We win. Affluent folks vote rethug in the general |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Then why does Obama outpoll Hillary in head-to-head matches against McCain? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
22. Obama's base is the $150K and higher crowd... |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Funny how Hillie is so much like Georgie in every way, huh? |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. No, it's BHO who is like GWB, right down to the smirk. |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Now, who's the neocon who wants to "obliterate" Iran, again? |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
63. Don't forget these people!! |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
25. I'm happy you can count those numbers, unfortunately you seem to |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
29. By running too soon, Obama has hurt chances for blacks for |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. He can run in 2012 |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Yep. Four years of Presidential experience, to be precise. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. Why isn't there a head exploding smiley when you need one? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
57. So, he should get his ass to the back of the bus? For your "girl" who's entitled to it? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
61. Disagree. If he's the candidate, he's the president. |
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JasonHill (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
33. These figures are confined within the party |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. These demographics shrink in the GE. That is the point |
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JasonHill (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I hear ya |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. This is the most alarming and scary fact in the race. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Yup and the superdelegates have to be aware of this |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
59. Obama is the corporate elitist capitalist canidate. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. So says an idiot. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
65. Does anyone know how he makes up roughly half of his Starbucks base vanishing in the GE? |
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