After Hillary's extremely dissapointing "win" in PA...

[adoraz]

Will Obama start raking up the endorsements?

I watched CNN for 2 hours. Listened to all their spin.

There is no doubt in my mind that tonight did nothing but keep Hillary alive.

The mood of DU and the media is COMPLETELY different from the night of the Texas/Ohio primaries. That was a much bigger "win" for her by the media.

Honestly, this is pathetic. I saw so many Clinton supporters on CNN offering spin, but it was so easy to see that even themselves didn't believe it. That wasn't the case on March 4.


The worst part for Hillary, is that even tonight (the height of the win), the response to her "win" isn't anything special.

Just imagine what it will be like tomorrow, and the day after that. It will only get worse. The narrative will change even quicker than it did after March 4.

Tonight is the best part of the celebration party for her, but once everyone realizes she picked up few delegates, the "celebration party" will be over. Expect this "party" to end tomorrow.


So my question is, who thinks the Supers will all start endorsing Obama now?

Its obvious that PA didn't do anything to change the race, despite all the spin.


I think once everything goes back to normal in a day or two, Supers will start heavily endorsing Obama. This race is going nowhere fast, and after tonight the Supers will realize that.

[tridim]

1. Word on the street is that the Supers are ready to move.

I would have been slightly worried had Hillary won by more than 15%, but at 6% she's in for a rude awakening tomorrow.

[DJ13]

2. There were a few reports on MSNBC earlier about a mass SD move tomorrow

...towards Obama.

Probably was dependant on Hillary not beating him by 20-30 points like some projected she needed to win by to still have any realistic chance.

[rainbow4321]

18. I hope they start calling her at 3 am.....

Just a suggestion, SD's :evilgrin:

[NJmaverick]

3. Time for the Clintons to pack up their tents, the show is over

[Austinitis]

4. She's winning by 10 points. She closed the popular vote. It looks REALLY bad for Obama.

I mean, really, really, bad.


And there were already questions about his ability to seal the deal to begin with...

[stevietheman]

5. It's by 8% right now, and no, there is no significant closing of popular vote. Sorry. n/t

n/t

[adoraz]

8. LOL, don't even try

please, don't try. I know exactly what I am talking about.

The margin won't be 10%, it will be lower.

Even if it was 10% though, that isn't enough.

Don't give me that "seal the deal" BS, just read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5611052&mesg_id=5611052

[mikekohr]

12. "She closed the popular vote" What?

She was behind 706,468 in popular votes before tonite.

link:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Besides it's delegates at stake here. Obama is up by approx 148 delegates. After tonite he will still be up by 140 or so. After NC and IN Obama will probably be up by 150 delegates or more.

Ther fat lady has not sung yet, but she's warming up.

mike kohr

[Dawgs]

20. Why don't you show us your calculation for the popular vote?

She needed to win by more than 14% to make a dent into the popular vote; and that includes Florida. I've actually done the math. Have you?

[Austinitis]

23. There's an RCP spreadsheet that will do the math for you

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/chooseyourown.html

Hillary can try for Michigan and Florida. If she gets Michigan she closed the gap tonight (she picked up 200,000). If she gets Florida she needs about 200,000 more votes. But all of that is easily possible.

[CoffeeCat]

6. I'll give her this...

She's turning 6 percent win (and a 20 percent loss in six weeks) into some kind of
unprecedented, victory celebration bash.

She can spin like a tarantula on acid.

[XemaSab]

7. She got the transfusion

but she hasn't closed the wound.

[elocs]

9. The reality is that it was not that long ago that Obama was behind in PA by almost 20%.

Spin it however you want, this was a great comeback in a short period of time for Obama considering that Clinton was supposed to wipe up the floor with him in PA, a state whose demographics are tailor made for her. Then, even this past week, it was spun that she had to win by 10% or more for it to be a real victory. She will not have a great net gain in either delegates or popular vote. The end result will be inevitable.

[aquart]

11. And now they adore him in Philadelphia.

The rest of the state, not so much.

[depakid]

21. Some of these counties are impressive

75% to 25% for Clinton.

Wow. I'll be interested to hear what people familiar with Pennsylvania politics have to say about that and what it might portend for the general election.

[aquart]

10. Oddly, I'm not a bit disappointed.

I'm ebullient and cheerful.

[dorktv]

14. Seeing someone win after being outspent three to one always puts me in a good mood.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

16. you know... I think I'll be those things too. Thank you.

[europeano]

13. Obama supporters were touting a PPP poll that had Obama up by 3%

Yet they say an 8% win by Clinton is "extremely disappointing".
Go figure.

[adoraz]

15. I was one of those people

however I constantly stated in my post that I still thought Hillary would win by 10%. It was nice to see a poll saying that, but I don't think anyone believed it.

Obama did better than I expected.

[2020vision]

17. There was a thread with almost 30 recs about the PPP poll

And it said that PPP was the most accurate, blah blah blah. Don't pretend that Obama supporters brushed it aside.

[adoraz]

19. yeah, I rec'd it

but like I said, I still knew Obama would lose by 10% (yet he did better than that).

Even though I didn't believe the poll, it was obviously a good sign. ANY poll in your favor, nomatter how good the pollster, is a good sign.

[Guaranteed]

22. Where do you get that it kept her alive? She STILL can't win. nt