So basically this is the worst possible outcome for our party.

[Warren Stupidity]

Clinton has won a clear victory in Pennsylvania, 54-46, but that will result in around a +6 delegate shift for her side. This is nowhere near what she needs to overtake Obama, unfortunately it is enough of an emotional boost to keep her in the race. It is the worst of all possible outcomes as by ending any hope for a pledged delegate lead, Clinton will have to continue on her destructive kitchen sink strategy as her only hope is to convince the super delegates that Obama is unelectable and that they should therefore overturn the pledged delegate results. Congratulations Senator Clinton on a convincing victory. Now please do the right thing and stand down.

[XemaSab]

1. I'm generally in agreement

She's going to keep sniping at him for weeks, if not months, and she's not going to win. She's just going to damage him in the GE.

[BeatleBoot]

2. Wow.

Have you never been through a primary before?

This isn't out of the ordinary?

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Well yes I have,

I did not say anything was out of the ordinary, so what exactly is your point? Please explain.

[Somawas]

6. I've been through a bunch of primaries.

And I think it's out of the ordinary. Hillary's rule or ruin strategy is disgusting. She has been disloyal to the party and does not deserve its nomination, for that reason alone.

[Warren Stupidity]

13. It isn't important if it is ordinary or not.

Clinton wants to win, and this is her only path to victory, so I understand why she is taking this approach. All I am saying is that she should recognize that it is not going to work, even if she somehow manages to flip the SDs, the end result will be a party so fractured that it will not win a race that it should win by a landslide. Clinton should reach for greatness here, she should transcend her ambition and do what is right for our party, our nation, our planet. It is in fact ordinary to put ambition in front of all other considerations. So I guess I am asking Senator Clinton to be extraordinary, and I agree that is a lot to ask.

[BeatleBoot]

17. Your post assumes

that Obama will win in November.

Huge assumption.

Huge.

[Warren Stupidity]

26. Look nobody knows who is going to win in November.

You can have one opinion, I can have another. But those are just opinions. What we do know is that Clinton cannot, now that she has failed to win by a landslide in Pennsylvania, overtake Obama in pledged delegates. So, as I said, her only strategy remains the one she is on: try to so damage Obama that the super delegates all flip to her side and hand her the nomination. That means six more weeks or relentless negative campaigning. In the end it will not work, but it might make your prediction correct. So, as I said, the right thing to do is for Senator Clinton to gracefully withdraw and announce her support for Obama. That is, if what is important is winning in November. If on the other hand, what is important is Clinton winning the presidency sometime, she will stay in, but she will have put personal ambition above all other considerations.

[Zhade]

28. We'd better hope he does, since he'll be the nominee.

NT!

[BeatleBoot]

14. So, just askin', what's a "bunch of primaries"

is a bunch 20 to 30, or 30 to 40.

just a range would be good.

just wondering.

[Somawas]

31. I started in teen Dems when I was 14.

And I turned 59 last month. You do the math.

[Exultant Democracy]

9. Yes it is. We haven't had a cluster-fuck like this in a quarter century

Basically this is the second time something like this has happened under the current democratic primary rules, and the only other time was the very first time before they had finalized many of the current rules.

[Warren Stupidity]

21. As I read this thread her delegate lead has slipped to 3.

As her vote lead has increased to 10%. It really is an awful outcome.

[madrchsod]

18. the problem with this primary is

the democrats in Florida and Michigan trying to move their primary dates with out permission from the dnc. add to the the stupid super Tuesday fiasco and the the 4 week(?) delay between Ohio and Pennsylvania.

hillary would have kicked obama`s ass in pa if pa was within one or two weeks of ohio.

i hope they deep six the super tuesday crap and make it a real race to the finish

[Usrename]

30. It's ordinary for the loser to concede in one of these things.

At some point she will have to do that. I don't see how it will get any easier after she loses North Carolina.

[RichardRay]

3. Yep. n/t

[Aloha Spirit]

4. 2.2 million people voting Democratic? I'd call that pretty SWEET.

[onehandle]

7. Me too. No matter who gets the nomination, the party won big tonight.

Some just don't get that fact.

[rhett o rick]

12. Not if 54% voted for someone that bowed to Bush and supported his war and responsible for

a million dead, and more. Bad day for America

[marshall]

8. Too low to amount to anything, too high to convince her to get out

It does seem like a scenario for a very nerve racking convention.

[Beregond2]

10. She stopped doing the right thing the day she

announced her candidacy. she's not about to start now.

[Guaranteed]

Totally agreed. This should be a slam-dunk election for us

but the Clinton idiocy might just have us lose.

Enough is enough, do the right thing for once, Clinton.

[kenny blankenship]

11. It was blow out or bow out. She failed to get the big win, the nom is out of reach & so naturally..

it's on to the next state and the eventual Clinton defeat. But not after hinting that her opponent is a secret gay Muslim who has links to terrorists and a white woman on the side.

Ok. We'll do that.

[earthside]

15. A Suicide Campaign

After all the sound and fury, old Hill is almost exactly at the same place she was six weeks ago -- except for the negative hits she has placed on herself with her negative, Rovian campaigning.

Same number of pledged delegates, nearly the same popular vote,and losing super delegates.

If she somehow manages to wrest away the nomination from the delegate leader, Obama, she will take the Democratic Party into a general election suicide campaign.

Because without African-Americans and young people voting for the Dem nominee, and staying home out of justifiable anger, she will lose the White House and Democrats down ticket will lose in a landslide.

So, indeed, because of Clinton selfishness and narcissism, this is probably the worst possible outcome -- unless there is an avalanche of super delegates coming out for Barack and ending this thing real soon.

[MrSlayer]

16. Well she is nearly broke.

So it can't go on too much longer.

[madfloridian]

19. I have been trying to tell you that is what FL and MI were about.

They have been her trump card to get her to convention.

:shrug:

Yes, this is a terrible outcome.

[madrchsod]

29. that`s up to the supers to decide with in the next few weeks

the party can not let the florida or michigan delegates vote at the convention. the state parties screwed their state and national democrats and they screwed the candidates.
it will be resolved in the next few weeks

meanwhile grampa gets a free pass on the lunacy that is his campaign

[cliffordu]

20. Yes. This sucks.....

[depakid]

22. Stomp feet.get mad. My candidate didn't win. the sky is falling

Another way to look at this is that it continues to take the wind out of the Republican sails.

They don't know who to attack- all the while Republican policies come home to roost.

Even in the event Obama is the nominee- her campaign has stolen their thunder. No big "revelations" to break. Not only that, but any one deal that they and their media surrogates do try to pin on him ends up "agreeing with Hillary Clinton!"

Now that's some beautiful irony.

[EFerrari]

23. If super delegates hand this to Clinton, they will be making a huge mistake.

Maybe we'll see what some of them are thinking between now and the next blood bath. :(

[Triana]

24. yep. The WORST. So we end up with WEEKS more fighting between them INSTEAD....

...of fighting McSame - like we NEED to be doing.

Egh! :banghead:

[progressoid]

25. more like a +3 delegate change.

That can't be much of a consolation. But, ya, this is not a good thing. The longer this draws out, the worse for all of us.

[Zhade]

27. Yup. McLame gets to keep coasting while clinton continues her delusional quest...

...which will still end in her being forced to accept her loss.

[mzmolly]

32. We may end up with an unity ticket out of necessity?

I wonder how such a ticket would do in the GE?

[rocktivity]

33. The more often Hillary fails to get at least 65% of the vote

the lower her stock with the superdelegates falls. They know which bottom line to keep their eyes on.

:headbang:
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