My house is like a morgue tonight...

[noel711]

My graduate student daughter came home to watch the returns
with us, and she is utterly devastated.

she was part of the ground game for Obama in West Philly,
she worked her butt off in the community, they were always on the phone,
and that team was tough on the volunteers.

She feels betrayed, not by the campaign, but by white people.
By comments she's heard and attitudes....our country still has so far
to go in how we live, and how we see ourselves...
(And we are white! She's very idealistic, and like many young people,
see beyond race and ethnicity, but she's getting an education about life,
that is painful for all).

But let's be honest: the undertone of this campaign, in the advertising and in comments
at the debates were underhanded, sly and divisive. Please don't take this as a critique
of the opposition campaign...just an observation. And the media! Let's not go there.

I'm trying very hard to remain objective, but my heart hurts for her
and for all the young people enthralled with the possibility of politics.

I wonder how this will effect all the young people who threw their hearts
into this new possibility?

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. What utter bullshit. "betrayed by white people"

[Kittycat]

4. So you dispute Fast Eddie?

[tabatha]

5. So Ed Rendell talks BS?

[smalll]

6. Some grad student with an over-developed sense of white guilt supports Obama.

Quelle surprise. :eyes:

[MattNC]

12. What is the matter with you?

[PoliticalAmazon]

158. We need to continue our fight against Hillary's pig-slop politics and old, corrupt thinking...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5641608

[RareLubbockDem]

18. what an ass you've shown yourself to be

[mrreowwr_kittty]

40. Dumb bigots who pee their pants at the sight of Osama Bin Laden support the GOP lite candidate.

That would be your candidate, Hillary.

Plus ca change. :eyes:

[aquart]

131. How...ignorant and ill-mannered. Like a losing playground bully

Reduced to muttered, irrational insults.

Since I live in lower Manhattan, I can tell you I don't give a flying fuck about that spoiled rich boy Osama bin Ladin.

And only a fool would think bin Ladin matters to anyone in this economy.

[grace0418]

80. Smalll... yes. Quite smalll.

Smalll-minded anyway.

[Ka hrnt]

82. lol

Hate to admit it--since it's an assumption--but that was my first thought too. :shrug:

[noel711]

118. Dear Small.... thanks for your 'understanding' comment...

It isn't so -called 'white guilt' that motivates my daughter,
nor thousands of other idealistic students, its the hope that
our nation can look beyond race, and do something better
than name calling and categorizing.

"White guilt"? Quite unfair. YOu don't know our family,
and you dont' know where we've lived or how we've lived.

Your comment is a blanket indictment of all those who want
our culture to get beyond such comments.

Why did she feel betrayed?
She knocked on thousands of doors,
in mostly African American neighborhoods
(IN West Philly, where she lives by the way)
and felt accepted and affirmed, and part of the community and the future.

When she came home to Bucks County to vote in her home
town, her choice to do what she did brought derision and
scorn from our neighbors... People who should know better,
people who are considered part of Obama's base: educated,
successful white people. Something's wrong in this equation.

How can so called 'progressives' advance our cause if we too easily
label and bait one another? If that's what we fall into, we're no better
than the repubicans.

[polpilot]

141. There were times during the American Revolution that were unpleasant and revealing. Denying the

'king' involves pain. 'Change' involves taking on the entrenched and privileged. Rock on!

[PassingFair]

151. She did good...

and she WILL get over it.

Politics SUCKS sometimes.
(Most of the time).

Let her know that her efforts were NOT
in vain. Hillary was touted to win by
over 20% before those volunteers got in
their and shared their stories.

At the very LEAST, we have shown our
disgust with the powers that be within
the democratic party, and that will put
pressure on them.

At BEST, we will have a president who is
beholden only to the PEOPLE.

Underneath it all, I vote by these words...

"I'd rather vote for something I want and not get it than vote for something I don't want and get it." E. V. Debs

[formernaderite]

168. what bothers me about stating race BETRAYAL

is YOU are making this about race. I voted for Obama in the primary as a second choice to edwards...and not because he was black. I actually can't stand Hillary. Not because I don't like women or white people.

[spoony]

170. "if we too easily label and bait one another"

You mean like starting a thread claiming an entire race betrayed your daughter because they didn't vote how she wanted them to?

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[oviedodem]

8. Well if she was walking around and hearing people saying they are

not voting for him because of his color; what else do you expect her to think?

[Justitia]

35. Actually, Old, Uneducated White People according to her voter demographic. -eom

[ruby slippers]

96. actually.....

Old, uneducated, deer-hunting, beer-drinking, flannel-shirted white people....

[PoliticalAmazon]

163. Please stop. Only losers whine and make excuses! Obama supporters are better than that!...

...Pull yourself together, put your shoes back on, and hit the streets for Obama.

Political races don't always go as smoothly as we wish they would, but I know Obama is worth fighting for, and making excuses for PA is dragging the movement down.

We need to move forward and look to NC.

We, as Obama supporters, are so fortunate to be part of this movement. It is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and we are not only lucky to have Obama as a candidate, we are lucky to have each other as his supporters.

Obama doesn't look back, whine and make excuses, and neither should we.

So let's get it together and get boots on the ground for the next primary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5641608

[quakerboy]

46. I dunno.

13% percent of all voters were White voters who said race mattered to them. Of those 75% went for Hillary. Seems like that might make a difference.

Actually, doing the math, adding all the votes for each candidate(from the state website) there are 2.1 million votes cast(at 92% reporting)

So 13% of those voters say race matters. That would be about 275k voters.

Of those 75% went for Clinton. That would be 205k voters.

Hillary is winning by 200k voters.

I guess race(racism) did make a bit of difference.

[AZ Criminal JD]

100. You left black voters out of your racism equation

[quakerboy]

107. ok

Well, Of all voters, 19% said the race of the candidate was important to them.

Given the current count is 2.3 million votes total, that means: 432K voters said that race was important to them in this race, among all voters black and white.

Of those 59% voted for Hillary. That would be 255k votes

Of those 41% voted for Obama. That would be 177k Votes

So amongst all those for whom race was important in their vote, Hillary gained a net 78K votes. That is 40% of her victory right there. If you subtracted all of the Racialy motivated voters from both sides, Hilllary would still win, 53/47.

Just to stir it up a little, if you took away those for whom Gender was an important factor in choosing their vote, she would loose another significant portion. I dont feel like Mathing that right this second, but she might well have lost. So Both Race and Gender worked in Hillary's favor in Pennsylvania.

[michreject]

142. Hillary gained a net 78K votes?????????

{Don't flame me. Just repeating what I've heard}

Culd this be the Rush effect?

[kwenu]

49. Sounds like that's her feeling why can't she express it.

[Dave From Canada]

56. Exactly. Apparently you HAVE to vote for Obama, or you're a racist white person.

[noel711]

122. No, but if you snarl in the face of people who are for Obama...

if you make racial slurs, 'anti-muslim' slurs,
and strings of verbal abuse that make your hair curl...

I guess you're not voting for Obama.

Vote for Hillary fine, no racial comments.

But... in the year 2008, for people who have been
nurtured in our 'democracy,' for people who have access
to incredible goods and services, for people who are aware
of the ethnic mix of our culture (even if its just from television)
this is demoralized.

This election could have been an opportunity to lift people up
to a greater understanding of one another.

We have failed.

[aquart]

130. Yes. You have.

Especially if you're spouting that condescending, superior "lift people up". I assume you also taught your daughter that she was so much more enlightened than everyone else.

[SaveAmerica]

144. I can't believe you said that - you can understand that Hillary campaign's smears and lies about

Obama worked? This is the only way she was able to get votes from a certain segment of America and it's disgusting. You can allow this and call someone 'condescending' as though (if she was) this is worse than the racial hate in the post you've responded to. It's DISGUSTING that you will accept this from Hillary Clinton's campaign just so she can get votes. That's all she's got, hate, lies, smears, and now fear. This is the first time I'm writing this anywhere and I hate that her actions have led to this, but she is working just like the Republican party.

[FlaGranny]

61. Betrayed by the 20%(?)

at least who will never vote for Obama because he is black, by the white people like my relative who calls Obama "that jigaboo." That is not bull shit. That, my dear, is the God's honest truth.

[AZ Criminal JD]

102. What about the black voters who voted 92% for Obama?

Are they pure at heart?

[CTLawGuy]

198. could you credibly say that they voted for Obama

becuase of their unbending contempt for white people?

[AZ Criminal JD]

200. When they vote for someone with no experience simply because of skin color

They would have voted for Obama if the other candidate was FDR and JFK combined.

[CTLawGuy]

218. how do you know that?

1. Many black candidates have run before and have never gotten this level of black support.

2. He DOES have experience, more legislative experience than HRC.

3. They didn't start turning until comments like "did he deal drugs?", "shuck and jive", and "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina as well."

[Nedsdag]

76. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

It was white women over 50 who put her over the top.

[jackson_dem]

190. Did she get 96% of them like Obama did with black males?

The hypocrisy of Obama supporters is limitless.

[DemVet]

161. No kidding. Let's blame the whites for not voting for a weak candidate, is that it?

[flowomo]

2. well, I was her age in 1972...

and saw Nixon crush.... crush... McGovern. She'll get over it and move on to the next fight like we all do.

[LisaL]

3. Oh good lord. Betrayed by the white people? WTF does it even

mean?

[Catherina]

48. Exactly what it says. Deal with it now or deal with it on Nov 7. Your choice n/t

[goletian]

7. shes done well, tell her to cheer up.

hillary was supposed to win huge in pa. this was supposed to be her best shot to possibly overcome the delegate lead, thats next to impossible now. this is pretty much what the obama camp expected to accomplish. they didnt expect a win, its all going according to plan. cheer up.

[truedelphi]

88. I know. Obama did well. Hillary did poorly and she had to have a

Cartoonish ad featuring Osama Bin Laden to make her point.

[AZ Criminal JD]

103. All going to plan? Losing every big state?

[libbygurl]

9. Ah, them racists in PA! 'Not a critique, but an observation.' LOL! nt

[Rex_Goodheart]

10. I'd bet you're putting words into her mouth

"Betrayed by white people"???? You've got to be kidding.

[noel711]

126. Well Rex... I could haul her outta bed and she could rage at you for a change...

'betrayed' is exactly her word....

We've live in multi-ethnic areas for many years...

Although we've heard the ire of African Americans,
nothing... nothing compares to what she heard from
white people during this campaign.

Have you never been totally embarrassed and dismayed
by the words and deeds of your weird racist uncle
at Thanksgiving? Multiply that a few times...

[LibraLiz1973]

I am sorry that she is down

Even though I think feeling "betrayed by white people" is nuts.

[Rabrrrrrr]

11. How will it affect the young people?

Hopefully they will have learned that if you believe in something, you fight and work and do what you can, and that even so, you don't always win or get your way. But that you don't give up, you go back and give it another shot, because if it's important, it's worth doing.

I hope that's what they learn from all this.

[RiverStone]

13. Why so glum?

Hillary's road got tougher, not easier. Anything less than a 20 point win in PA made the % she needs to prevail even more daunting.

Relax - Obama will still get the nom.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

14. I feel betrayed by the women who vote for Obama,

*rolls eyes*

[swishyfeet]

26. Beat me to it

I was feeling betrayed by women voting for Hillary.

*rolls eyes*

[FlaGranny]

64. I feel betrayed by the older women

who voted for Clinton because many of them voted for her just because she's female.

[AZ Criminal JD]

104. Did you feel betrayed by black people voting for Obama because he is black?

[FlaGranny]

139. That was "tongue-in-cheek" on my part, but

I do think it would be stupid to vote for Obama only because he was black. Now, if I had two perfectly equal candidates, one a woman, one a black man, THEN, and only then, do I think personal racial or gender bias could legitimately be your deciding factor.

[OzarkDem]

128. No, because she's committed to health care reform

and has the best policies for improving the economy, providing affordable education and getting out of Iraq.

In addition she has the most experience.

I feel she's the candidate who cares most about what happens to all of us in this country.

[OzarkDem]

124. Voting against their own best interest

Its always frustrating to see people voting blindly for a candidate who won't represent their interests if elected.

[uponit7771]

15. Place it in perspective for her, a single digit win for Obama is a knock out of the park

[GoesTo11]

16. Don't worry, it'll be like a baby shower in November

It is so cool that so many young people are getting involved. They'll stay involved and be rewarded with a win in November. That will make one primary state loss seem pretty insignificant.

[Writer]

17. The young people of this country need to understand that sometimes you lose.

They're not told that enough in today's environment where "everyone is a winner."

[RBInMaine]

19. CHIN UP ! Go back to work tomorrow. Long way to go. This is POLITICS. TOUGH BUSINESS !

Thanks for all her work !

[saracat]

20. So white people have an obligation to vote for Obama whether we like him or not?

I am sorry your daughter is disappointed but no one has an obligation to vote for anyone regardless of the color of their skin. I take offense that she feels betrayed by "white people". I can understand that she may feel betrayed by Democrats but by "white people" ? Don't you think that sounds a bit racist?
And I would advise any one to look at both campaigns.beither was pristine and it is unfair to assume that Obama was blameless.

[woolldog]

34. noel said she feels betrayed because of comments she's heard

from voters and attitudes she's witnessed from voters.

[Justitia]

45. DU tells me I am obligated to vote my vagina every day, or I'm a self-loathing woman. -eom

[jackson_dem]

191. Then they whine when Ferraro makes a comment about this type of thing

Here are Obamanation's demands:

1) 100% of blacks have to vote for Obama. The 10% or so that don't are traitors (just ask Nutter, Tubb-Jones, and even Tavis Smiley who didn't vote for Hillary but merely criticized Obama once).

2) 50+1% of whites, Latinos, and Asians must vote for Obama. If they don't this is prima facie evidence they are racist groups.

3) Each state Obama loses is immediately declared to be racist. Why else would the messiah lose?

[NeedleCast]

21. Cheer Up

Losing 15 delegates means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Obama wasnt going to win PA. It's a state tailor made for a Hillary win. Hillary will win West Virginia, probably Indiana. Obama will crush her in North Carolina, and beat her in Oregon and the other remaining minor states. We go to convention with the delegate count right about where it is now.

[Maven]

22. Betrayed by white people?

Tell your daughter to get a grip.

[Iris]

162. No shit. Life is hard enough without making crap like this up.

[TTUBatfan2008]

23. Tell her to cheer up...

Philadelphia County went 65-35 for Obama. So she did a good job and should be proud of her effort.

[depakid]

24. Lots of us who've been in the trenches over the past 25 years understand

It's tough to watch.

Yet as a grad student, she has the means to do some analysis about angles that run deeper than racism.

And keep on contributing to the candidate she believes in

[Dreamer Tatum]

25. Did anyone inform the white people of the expectations of them?

Maybe they just didn't know they were supposed to fulfill someone else's expectations.


:eyes:

[GetTheRightVote]

I know what your daughter is going thru, I am there with her, yes the white people

who are racist and do not care how they effect those people around them who detest that attitude.
Those around them who thought that we were or should be beyond them. I deal with those attitudes due to my friends of any other color but white.

Tell her that some of us are changing and growing beyond those belief systems, that it is like we are taking one step forward to only have someone else make us go back two steps. Her experience will only make her stronger in her beliefs that all people should be treated the same so ignore those who think somehow that it does not happen because it does, every day, but like Obama says we will move forward and ignore those who would steal our freedoms from us, our shared community from us and that we should hope for them to join us one day as well in our search for, our creation of a better future together.

[ScarletSniper]

27. Tell her to focus on the big picture..Hilllary can't catch Obama..he will be the nominee

[ecstatic]

28. I know how she feels--you said it perfectly

Yes, it is a feeling of betrayal and anger towards certain groups, and bitterness because the DNC is standing idly by while Bill continues to race bait and whisper all across the country. Everyone rallied around our frontrunner, Kerry, in 2004. But not Obama... noooo...

And now I'm off to converse with people who actually understand.

[splat]

29. I was crushed when McGovern lost, too,and that's why I want Hillary to take it to the GE

We got Richard Nixon again.

No more beginners. We'll need everything that machine can bring, and all those women and older voters.

[Cha]

202. hilary's a Loser with a capital L and no more

LIARS in our white house.

[blue sky at night]

30. was she under a rock back in 2004....

I couldn't sleep for days.....still can't fly the flag, still pissed and very bitter, but I am hopeful now.

[MADem]

31. Oh, PLEASE. She feels BETRAYED BY WHITE PEOPLE??????

Fuck that shit. No embarrassment on your part, either...that's the real SHAME.

Who's playing that RACE CARD?????

Shame on you. Shame on anyone that takes anecdotal evidence and makes it an excuse to divide people along racial lines.

Which is what YOU are doing.

Keep this shit up. Go on, do it. You put the GOP to SHAME.

LAME. SHAME.

'My heart hurts' for YOU, pulling this crap out and trying to tar Obama's opponent with a racial smear. "Ewwwwww, feel sorry for my CHILD because some 'racist fucks' aren't supporting Oh-BAAAAAH-MAAAH!!!"

How fucking sick. And not "sick" like the kids define it.

How disgusting--that's probably still universal.

And that isn't a "new possiblity"--it's just pathetic.

I can't believe that your "graduate student daughter" is that stupid. I doubt she is. Unless she's in the Romper Room Graduate School.

Let's be honest. INDEED.

You threw HER "under the bus" to make a lameass point. A false point, too.

If anyone wants to be ashamed by "undertones"--it's you. With your dispicable, insinuating post.

Eh! How OFFENSIVE!

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[Swamp Rat]

75. What an awful reply MADem

x(

[MADem]

85. Oh, PLEASE--what is so awful about it?

REALLY.

Without PREJUDICE, mind you...

Or is that too much of a challenge?

See, the name of the game is PREJUDICE.

And it is an UNFORTUNATE game, all around.

If you aren't of "indeterminate" ancestry, you can't be "amused" by it, though. If you are, though, it's a fucking hoot.

[Swamp Rat]

87. Wow!

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[MADem]

174. Obama isn't the problem here.

It's people who scream RACIST!!!!!!!!! at people who don't support Obama who are the problem. And they're the RACISTS, too.

And "cute cartoons" aside, calling me a racist is probably your lowest moment here. You don't even know what hue I am, so that makes it a bit amusing to me, but 'Big Picture'--it ain't funny, you aren't funny, and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

[Swamp Rat]

175. I did not call you a racist nor did I even imply it.

If I wanted to call you a racist, I would have simply said, "you are a racist and you disgust me," like I said to 'Herman Munster' before he was TSed.

"you aren't funny, and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself." - MADem, I am quite proud of myself for who I am and what I have done to survive in this world.

"You don't even know what hue I am" - And I do not care what hue you are, which is why I never asked you.

I believe you have some serious issues with which to deal, and I hope you work them out.

Peace to you.

[MADem]

177. I think you, too, have some "serious issues with which to deal" too.

What WAS your point, then? You put up a racially charged cartoon, and then, wide-eyed, say you aren't slamming me?

Please. I was born at night, but not last night.

[Swamp Rat]

178. This thread is about race and the reaction to the OP's daughter's perceptions about race.

And my comment about your 'serious issues' regards the sheer number of your antagonistic posts, as I believe you are unhappy, for whatever reason. Try passing an olive branch instead.

Yes, I have serious issues too, like unemployment in an area with the highest unemployment in the USA, no health insurance and health problems, living in a house damaged by Katrina in a city with devastated infrastructure, rife with crime and little to no protection... to name just a few.

[MADem]

181. No, this thread is about trying to paint Clinton as a racist and using an anecdote about

the OP's offspring to do it.

It's what's called a "cheap shot" in most places.

All that other information is regrettable, but not even tangential.

[Skittles]

109. harsh tone

but I understood the sentiment

[Swamp Rat]

171. I also hope you understood the sentiment of noel711's daughter.

We here in New Orleans have often felt the same way, notwithstanding the generous help we did receive from kind and caring 'white' people.

America has a long way to go to amend its racial (and economic class) divide. The above post, while perhaps correct on one level, was inappropriate in form.

[aquart]

127. I thought it was damn near perfect, myself. Refreshingly truthful.

[Swamp Rat]

173. Dysfunctional behavior negated the quality of the rebuttle... pass the olive branch instead.

[Beregond2]

32. She'll bounce back.

Right now she is tired and disappointed, but in a few days she will see that this is, in fact, a win for Obama.

I don't know PA well enough to comment on the racial aspect of this situation. But I think it is a mistake to assume this was all about race.

[crankychatter]

33. Ever notice how some Clinton-ers on DU (not the world) go into "Auto-Cruelty" mode?

when the day is over... we'll get our ignore functions back and not have to endure the REPUBLICANs.

[Hobarticus]

47. How hopeful and change-y of you to say that. eom

[MADem]

185. I notice that the racists or the voting machines are always blamed when Obama loses It's a theme.NT

[jackson_dem]

192. Yup. It is idiotic to think PA, RI, and OH are more racist than WI, VA, and AK

[Jamastiene]

36. Betrayed by white people, huh?

Well, you might want to sit her down and let her know that not all white people vote for the black candidate just because of their skin color. Just as he does deserve an equal opportunity to run, he also does NOT deserve the vote simply because of his color or the voter's color.

Some of us would have voted for him if not for his own attitude toward the working poor and his pandering to homophobes, Republicans, Reagan, and everything else right wing under the sun. A couple years ago, when I knew much less about him, I would have seriously voted for him. Not now. Come May, in the NC Primary, your daughter is going to be "betrayed" by yet another mostly white person. She'll have to learn from this to not blame an entire race for not doing what she wants. That's not how life works.

[GetTheRightVote]

41. You must love your Hillary, that young lady heard some hard stuff

and she had her rose colored glasses taken off her face.

But now what is your problem with realizing that there are racist white people in this world.
I deal with them all the time, please get over to the other side of town someday and see that
part of the world some time then and only then will you understand it or perhaps only come to
understand it in some little way beyond your pearly glossy gates.

[Jamastiene]

149. It's about time some of you idealists start seeing the big picture.

It's NOT all about race. It's about who is best to run this country. Obama just can't close the deal. Impotence is no way to run a country.

If you let your daughter jump into politics, you also need to let her take the good with the bad. There's no crying in baseball and all is fair in love and politics. :nopity:

[MADem]

183. Spot ON. Well said. NT

[Rosa Luxemburg]

37. the young will have to suffer the actions of the likes of Bush and Clinton in the furure

[QC]

38. My first campaign was 1984. I busted my ass for Mondale and watched him lose 49 states.

Somehow I survived it. So will your daughter.

[Aloha Spirit]

39. If anything, she was "betrayed" by women.

From CNN exit polls: Obama won among voters for whom gender didn't matter.
Clinton won 71% / 29% among voters for whom gender was an important factor.
This is mainly due to the 24% of women for whom gender was an important factor and voted for Clinton, 77%.

[DangerousRhythm]

77. White voters who thought race of candidate was important...

According to MSNBC, 75% of them voted for Clinton, 25% for Obama in PA.

I'm not sure what percentage of white voters this represented or where they were polled, but it's what I saw on TV a short while ago. *shrug*

[Pushed To The Left]

Cheer up! Senator Obama picked up 45% of the PA delegates.

Your daughter and the volunteers she worked with did make a difference! Obama didn't win, but the hard work of volunteers like your daughter probably caused him to get a larger share of delegates than he would have without them.

One thing I've noticed about the Obama campaign is, like the Dean campaign, he has inspired a lot of young people to get involved in politics. Regardless of whether or not he is our next president, the young people who worked on his campaign can continue the legacy of his campaign by remaining politically active with the progressive movement and the Democratic Party.

[spoony]

42. This thread is even dumb for GDP

And that's saying something.

[zulchzulu]

43. Tell your daughter I appreciate all her hard work and Obama WILL BE the nominee

The campaign certainly has gotten ugly with a myriad of non-issues thrown at Obama.

He has millions like your daughter that have worked hard and believe it or not, have changed people's lives with her hard work. It will pay off in the General Election. Hillary Clinton will not be the nominee. Barack Obama will!

Tell her not to give up. There's much more work to be done and we need her dedication!

[cooolandrew]

44. It's OK Obama is still ahead her work real helped she knocked back 15 percent. The media is spinning

It started out Hillary was 20 percent ahead so her hard work paid of. Just tell her a loss it just a lesson how to be more successful next time. Tell her stay FIRED UP we need her for the GE.

[Zachstar]

50. It is because of the combined efforts that it was not a Clinton Blowout

Yes Clinton won but only a few delegates in a state she desperately needed to win a TON from.

Indiana will be better! It will be a WIN for Obama!!

[Catherina]

51. Cheer her up. HRC is still the loser. The math and voter bitterness are against her

And thank her too because she made a bigger difference than she thinks. Hillary is still losing.

[BlooInBloo]

52. It's funny because everybody knows it's true, but white folks continue to lie about it.

[splat]

53. Actually, there are a lot of people voting FOR a woman, not against a black

And there are more women than blacks.

[Aloha Spirit]

54. agreed--check CNN exit polls...

Obama won 51% / 49% among voters for whom gender didn't matter.
Clinton won 71% / 29% among voters for whom gender was an important factor.
This is mainly due to the 24% of women for whom gender was an important factor and voted for Clinton, 77%.

[spoony]

57. That chip on your shoulder is affecting blood flow to your brain

Just because all YOU do is post and, apparently, think about race and how evil the global white conspiracy is, doesn't mean other people similarly obsess on the matter. White voters in PA crossed the colour line far more than black voters, so stuff your race-baiting up your arse.

[BlooInBloo]

62. Chip on my shoulder about something I benefit from? hahaha! DUzy.

[spoony]

67. Do you ever have more than an unfunny subject line?

You don't have to be a particular colour to have a chip on your shoulder about race, nor to be a race-baiter. I've lost count of the number of times you've breezily thrown in some dubious claim of racism or "white unity" or something similar, offering nothing but a subject line grenade with nothing inside. All duds. In a real way, it sums up your general posting style.

[Usrename]

79. Racism is just a figment of everyone's imagination.

It doesn't really exist. It never has. Or if it did exist at one time, it disappeared before today's election.

:crazy:

[spoony]

101. Your strawman is very sloppily constructed

You might want to get a refresher course on proper strawman building from others in GDP before trying that nonsense again.

[Usrename]

115. Strawman? WTF are you talking about now? Strawman...

You have a serious denial problem, so severe that you see a sarcastic comment as a strawman. I was directly on point. A home run.

[spoony]

116. Poorly executed sarcasm and poorly executed strawmen are not

mutually exclusive. Posting a little sneering remark about racism in general when I'm talking about specific instances of it being alleged, irresponsibly and solely for political points. You were arguing something that I never said. So, no home run for you. You were standing facing the wrong direction at home plate with the batting helmet backwards covering your face. And you weren't even holding a bat.

[Usrename]

121. You are trying to put your fantasy world over onto me. It won't work.

I'm talking about a specific instance, and so is everyone on this thread. Open your eyes and take a look around.

About one in five voters said the race of the candidates was among the top factors in their vote. About as many said that about the candidates' gender. White voters who said race was a factor supported Clinton over Obama by 3-to-1, while whites who said race wasn't a factor divided between Clinton and Obama more evenly.

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/early-pennsylvania-exit-poll-results/n20080422200709990005?ecid=RSS0001

[spoony]

132. Actually, no.

You really must take off that helmet. Then you'd be able to see that you were replying to my post about another poster's history of race-baiting. It's called a "subthread" and oft veers off from the main topic to related topics. If you meant to take issue with something else, you should have replied to another post, because your rambling is not related to the one to which you replied.

And as to your idiotic statistic, it's something only a pollster could have made up. Ask people if race matters to them in a candidate (curiously, only white voters), then when they say it does act suprised when they vote for the candidate of their colour. Basically, that white people who were voting on race voted for the white candidate. That's approaching a tautology, there. But your and other attempts to cast that pall over white voters in general (also curious is the lack of a number attached to that, maybe you could find how many voters that really was) and say that they en masse "betrayed" anyone is just foolish.

[Usrename]

133. Right, racism is just a figment of everyone's imagination.

We've come full circle. This time there should be no misunderstanding about the context.

[spoony]

134. Yes, full circle, with you making up mouldy strawmen

about some nonexistent person claiming racism doesn't exist, whose posts I cannot for the life of me see anywhere.

[Usrename]

138. Now you're saying it's moldy too?

You do have a good imagination.

[jackson_dem]

193. Obamites fail to grasp the implications of their excuse

If Obama can't win Dem primaries because of racism how can he win the GE when there will be more racist voters (indies and rethugs) voting? Obamites can't be that stupid. This is a lame attempt to gin up guilt among whites, Latinos, and Asians who vote for Clinton. Notice 0 complaints about Obama winning 80-92% black support in every state?

[sandnsea]

60. I would never lie about it

But since I don't live back east, I don't think it's fair of me to say it. I would say that it's interesting 65% of white men vote Republican, and nobody has a problem with that.

[GetTheRightVote]

66. Sorry to say, it but I agree, seen to much in my life time.

Racism is alive and well in some people and places in this nation.

[FlaGranny]

70. Isn't that the truth? n/t

[kwenu]

55. It's going to be okay. Obama could not have reduced a 26 point lead to 10 without her

and other volunteers who were willing to spend their time giving our country its best chance to move forward. Pennsylvania is just one important battle among many. She shouldn't feel bad at all. Tell her to cheer up, take a brief break and continue the fight to ensure Obama becomes the nominee. That's the goal for now.

[sandnsea]

58. She can come out to Oregon

and help us bring in a win if she wants. They did a terrific job cutting the margin. If we had an honest media, this would have been over a long time ago. The kids need to understand they have to protest the media.

[MonkeyFunk]

59. fucking white people.

[yodermon]

84. only the racists. n/t

[jackson_dem]

194. 62% of them must be racist. They voted for Clinton, after all!

Meanwhile Clinton got 8% of the black vote and Obamites have no complaints about that. 92%=Obama is just that great a candidate. 62%=prima facie evidence of racism!

[Jamastiene]

153. ...

:spray:

[BigDDem]

172. "typical"

[madrchsod]

63. reality bites

but she should`t despair it`s up to her generation to move this country forward. i felt the same way she does in 1968 while watching the democratic convention and the police riot in the streets. she`ll have to suck it up and get ready for nov 4....some will fall by the wayside but the rest will carry on....they know it`s their future.

[kenny blankenship]

65. PLease give her our thanks for her work on Obama's campaign

[Milo_Bloom]

69. Why despair... the door closed on Clinton tonight.

She needed a 20 point victory, she got less than 10%.

It is because of the hard work of people like your daughter that OBama was able to close the gap so much and effectively end her run for office.

[JVS]

145. We wanted it to close harder and faster on her. That's all.

[Gore1FL]

71. The only devesatted people should be Clnton supporters

Hillary has to win 69% of the remaining pledged delegates and 50% of the remaining super delegates.

Since Feb she has not come clopse to that pace, and has no money to remotely expect she will.

[truedelphi]

89. I'm thinking you are speaking the truth.

Funny how the M$M doesn't seem able to mention thee facts of yours.

But I'm glad to hear them.

[FlaGranny]

72. It's odd how some

people immediate assume your daughter was in despair because some people did not vote for Obama. It never occurs to some that the despair was caused by the racist comments. You might think no white person has ever heard a racist comment - I have to listen to them every time I talk to certain family members. I felt some despair myself after talking to one of them yesterday. Fundamentalist Christian poor, uneducated, bigoted white person that cousin of mine. I still love her and that's why it is so depressing.

[Skittles]

110. it that was the intention

it certainly was not worded well in the post

[FlaGranny]

137. It could have been worded better, yes,

but that's what I took from it.

[1776Forever]

73. Share this link with her - NYT Editorial - Fab! Tell her Obama is 10.4% ahead in all polls!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5635027&mesg_id=5635027

[Name removed]

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[Downtown Hound]

81. LOL! Thanks for dropping by to say hello.

And remember to take your meds before you go to bed tonight. Bye!

:hi:

[Unrepentant Fenian]

83. This thread is giving the TROLLS a good laugh. See the link

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=701989

The keyboard commandos at AR-15 are having a good laugh at this thread. I wonder how loud they'll be whining when Clinton or Obama are being sworn in. I own guns, but it's people like them that put gun rights WAY down at the bottom of my list of priorities.

[Snarkturian Clone]

135. Your one post is probably the best description I've seen of DUers

in the longest time... especially the GDP population.

[Ellen Forradalom]

78. What is this, an identity-politics race to the bottom?

There is all kinds of racism and sexism all over this campaign, unavoidably so because of who are leading candidates are. Why is she surprised?

[Ice-9]

86. Maybe you really can't teach some old dogs new tricks

From the New York Times:

"In a campaign where demographics seem to be destiny, one of the most striking factors is the segregation of voters by age. In state after state, older voters have formed a core constituency for Mrs. Clinton, who is 60, while younger voters have coalesced around Mr. Obama, who is 46. Age has been one of the most consistent indicators of how someone might vote — more than sex, more than income, more than education. Only race is a stronger predictor of voting than age, and then only if a voter is black, not if he or she is white.

"Age is likely to play a particularly strong role in the Democratic primary Tuesday in Pennsylvania. The outmigration of young people has left the state with the second-highest proportion of people over 65 in the country, after Florida. Fifty-eight percent of registered Democrats are older than 45, a consistent dividing line in the race.

* * *

"John Peterman, 85, a former Navy engineer, said he supported Mrs. Clinton because 'the world is not ready for a black president.' His wife, Mary, 81, agreed with him.

"Noel Stein, 72, and his wife, Judy, 67, both like Mrs. Clinton. Mrs. Stein said she liked her 'because she's a woman' and Mr. Stein said he liked her because of her husband."

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/us/politics/22age.html?em&ex=1209096000&en=72d0428dc016414c&ei=5087%0A
__________________

Although I'm a supporter of Senator Obama, I can't help but feel a little bad for Senator Clinton. Even if she ekes out a win in the primary and GE, I don't see how she takes a second term. A quarter of her base will probably be dead in four years. Plus, you'd have to stoop pretty low to seek the support of people (like Mr. and Mrs. Peterman), who think "the world is not ready for a black president." That's a vote I'd rather not have. But maybe that just shows why I'll never be a politician. ;-)

I also feel bad for Hillary because of this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinion/23wed1.html?ex=1366603200&en=25460e9924d12741&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

[2rth2pwr]

90. I don't know how she could have been surprised, Obama told us all

about those typical white people.

[Neshanic]

91. "white people?"

[RememberWellstone]

92. "Betrayed by white people?"

So we should vote for Obama because of his race? I cannot do that, I am sorry, I will vote the most qualified to recieve my vote and I did.

[backscatter712]

93. Read my thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5637745

Yes, I am celebrating an Obama victory tonight.

We kept the margin within ten points - she has at best, a Pyrrhic victory tonight, which depleted her funds and ran her deep into debt, without delivering enough delegates to solve that delegate math problem.

So maybe we lost one battle, but we're gonna win this war!!!

[ruby slippers]

94. tell her to....

go to the Obama website and donate 10.00. It will offset the 5.00 Hillary is asking for. It worked for me.....I feel better now.

[billyoc]

95. Thanks to people like your daughter, Clinton lost her 20 point lead

and bankrupted herself. Please thank her for me. :hi:

[Pacifist Patriot]

97. It's really disheartening to see so many people dismiss someone's feelings so easily.

Whatever the personal experience, your daughter's feelings are her own and therefore a valid response to whatever she has witnessed. I hope she takes the time to explore her reaction both in terms of emotions and thoughts. My heart goes out to her. I hope her idealism and activism withstand the disappointment.

:hug:

[ruby slippers]

98. Looks like West Philly voted for Obama according to this.....

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#PA

Just tell her she did a good job! He won that area.....

[TragedyandHope]

99. Obama is still well ahead on the path to the White House

He did an excellent job narrowing the gap in state that was a "Clinton stronghold" and where she had the backing of the Governor, big city Mayors and their political machines.

PA was never a win on the Obama campaign's tactical plan. Of course, it would have been nice, but the campaign did an excellent job of getting the message across to voters and limiting damage in a state whose demographics favor Clinton.

Don't let the media horse race spin get you down. Obama put in a good showing and is still the front runner. He did a great job of sidestepping a potential "blowout."

Clinton won today's battle, but Obama will win the war.

[Barack_America]

105. Tell her that we won West Philly by 57%

Without Barack ever stepping foot there and with Hillary visiting 4 times and Bill and Chelsea twice each.

That should soften the blow.

;)

ETA: We actually won West Philly by much more than that. The 57% includes half of Center City, which isn't as Obama-friendly.

[ruby slippers]

111. I don't have enough posts yet to PM you, but

if you have any leftover Obama signs or things, we may need them here in Florida. Do you have any to recycle?

[Eurobabe]

106. Phila county TROUNCED Clinton

you daughter has nothing to be crying in her soup over -- tell her to buck up. :hug:

Barack's got this whole thing in the bag now. Not to worry.

[Skittles]

108. honestly, this is a bunch of nonsense

it's flame bait - Obama got PLENTY of "white people" votes - it's just that NOT EVERYONE IS ENTHRALLED WITH OBAMA

[coyotespaw]

112. Tell her to look at the big picture...

She, and those like her, cut a projected lead of over 20% down to less than 10%. Hillary was forced to spend more money that she didn't have to run bullshit negative ads against Obama. Tell her that she may have lost a minor battle, but that Hillary's victory was a Pyrrhic one, and the fight will soon be over; the good guys will win, and she can hold her head up and smile at the good work she has done.

[KillCapitalism]

113. I'm white, but...

I tell ya what I really wish blacks were the majority in this nation.

I think if that were the case, we would have never had a Nixon, a Reagan, or either Bush in the White House. We would have had some awesome progressives in there like Jesse Jackson & Martin Luther King Jr. (if he would have have been murdered).

[DrCory]

120. Be Careful...

Endowing racial groups with universal inherent qualities, whether positive or negative, is not rational.

[Clintonista2]

114. Racist

[susankh4]

117. I join you in your concern.

"I'm trying very hard to remain objective, but my heart hurts for her
and for all the young people enthralled with the possibility of politics."

My heart hurts for my own kids as well. They all went for Obama in a big way. I warned them... but the young must dream, so I cut them their slack. And I will be here in the end... to encourage and explain.

"I wonder how this will effect all the young people who threw their hearts
into this new possibility?"

No doubt it will have the same effect it did on many of our generation. And... many of my peers drifted away into apathy after McGovern. Humphrey. But it doesn't have to be that way! We, as parents, can stem the bleed by being honest. By telling them how we keep up the good fight. Year after year. The importance of the downticket offices. Congressional power. The way the presidency works in this country (or doesn't.) The hope that B.O. will be back on our top ticket when he is seasoned a bit more.

All of these things need to be said if and when the real disappointment comes. Be it next month, or in November.

[Vinca]

119. I'm concerned about something different and I hate to even say it

because I know what the response is going to be. It's the exit polls again. They were mysteriously way off. That bothers me.

[aquart]

125. Obama only loses if that nasty woman cheats.

No real breathing human being has ever, will ever, vote against Obama because he is the messiah. Except, of course, for all those racists.

[Vinca]

129. I knew exactly what kind of post would follow mine. Mean and nasty.

IMHO, these things always need to be in question. If something funky is happening in PA, it would be nice to know before McCain's programmers get to the machines.

[MADem]

184. That wasn't "mean and nasty." That IS what you were insinuating.

Don't run a bullshit riff and then get annoyed when you're called on it.

That's called "lame."

And the gratuitous "My guy didn't win so his opponent must've CHEEEEEATED" is getting a bit old, too.

[jackson_dem]

195. Exactly and then they wonder why they are called a cult...

[aquart]

123. "Betrayed by white people."

So your daughter only sees people in terms of their color? I'm sorry, but she is NOT seeing beyond race and ethnicity. That, it's clear, is ALL she is seeing.

Would she be for Obama if he were five shades darker? Or half-Laotian?

Or a woman?

I wouldn't give a penny for ideals like hers.

[Snarkturian Clone]

136. Ugh, another self-hating white people thread.

I don't mean the OP in particular, I mean a lot of the responses. There's no reason to hate what you are. That's just dumb.

[minnesota_liberal]

140. My morgue is like a house tonight

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Your daughter helped her candidate close a 20-point gap to fewer than 10 and only lose a little ground in terms of his advantage in pledged delegates. Obama still has good momentum going into the final 9 states.

It's tough to see the big picture while working on the front lines, but here it is: Obama lost this battle but should still win the war!

[Maribelle]

143. Betrayed by Obama

Obama has thwarted all chances of a revote in Florida and does not want the votes of those that did come out to vote for him on January 29th to count.


The stats of three Florida districts where Obama won - - whose votes Obama wants to throw in the trash can

1. Congressional District: 3 Obama 58.1%
   
   Race alone or in combination with one
   or more other races:
   Black or African American . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 298,183 50.8%
   
   http://censtats.census.gov/data/FL/5001203.pdf
   
   
   
2. Congressional District:17 Obama 55%
   
   Race alone or in combination with one
   or more other races:
   Black or African American . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 366,030 63.4%
   
   http://censtats.census.gov/data/FL/5001217.pdf
   
   
   
3. Congressional District:23 Obama 52.1%
   Race alone or in combination with one
   or more other races:
   Black or African American . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 363,519 58.7%
   
   http://censtats.census.gov/data/FL/5001223.pdf
   

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/index.asp?ElectionDate=1/29/2008

[jackson_dem]

196. Wait how did Obama manage to do that? I thought know one in FL even heard of him

I read it on the netroots!

[SaveAmerica]

146. Noel, I just can't believe some of the replies on here, I don't know if they're being obtuse on

purpose, but I understood perfectly what you were talking about when you said betrayed by white people. I'm sorry she had to have this revelation about racism in such a time when she was feeling so high and pumped up about the election. I'm mostly sorry that there are people on this very board who see nothing wrong with the racist tactics the Hillary Campaign used, just to get votes. I'm sickened that Democrats will approve of actions that will further divide our country.

Tell you daughter that she did good, we need her help by calling in NC or Indiana. I know this was painful for her, I was just like her when I was her age.

[jmg257]

148. She must have heard some really racist comments, or seen some really

nasty attitudes to feel she has been betrayed by white people.

Anything specific, or just a general ill feeling (because Obama came out behind)?

[SaveAmerica]

169. She explains upthread that some people in her neighborhood berated her daughter for

voting for Obama, there was talk of not voting for a muslim (now where did that start I wonder?), and other racist smears. There are a couple posts up there that give more details.

[durrrty libby]

150. OMFG Betrayed by white people?

Sounds very immature and bigoted

I can't imagine any of my sons uttering such idiotic bullshit

[JimGinPA]

152. Reading Some Of Your Posts I'm Sure You Can Relate "To Immature and Bigoted"

[durrrty libby]

156. No I do not relate to you at all or any of the BO BIgots. Never fed my children Kool-Aid

Besides decaying teeth, it obviously decays brain cells.

Sad for you bub that necrosis is irreversible

[Clintonista2]

154. If I had any children, I would disown them for being so bigoted.

If they acted like the OP's children. The OP must be a terrible parent.

[Jamastiene]

155. Wonder what kind of parenting teaches that kind of

"lesson?"

[durrrty libby]

157. Agree. I sure wouldn't advertise such horrible parenting. Quite shameful

[SeaLyons]

159. Oh please....

I can't believe your post. Betrayed by white people???? Does Barack Obama have any ownership in his ability to connect with the working class? He has to be able to do that in order to win the GE. Why do you blame this on white people. Does Barack Obama have no responsibility? Does he not need to examine why he is not winning these votes? Is it possible that he has been a bit arrogant in his thinking, a bit arrogant in believing that his speeches should win him the nomination.

Do you think he did not use every underhanded and negative trick he could to win PA. It just didn't work for him. He outspent her 3-1. The media!!! I don't remember a candidate ever having more media in their corner than Obama.

[PoliticalAmazon]

160. They will learn from us that good can win over evil, but the fight is never easy...

...I, too, wish this would have been over last night so we, with Obama, could move on to fight McCain. But that's not the way it happened.

Take it from me, someone who has decades of political activism under her belt: this happens in political races. It doesn't all move ahead smoothly like we wish it would. That's not how it goes.

But tell your daughter and others to take heart, take a deep breath, and get back to work for Obama. He is truly a great leader, on the level of JFK, but is so much better at this stage of the game than JFK was, it makes my head spin.

Be grateful for your fellow Obama supporters and their willingness to work for real change, and for an end to the old Bush/Rove politics. Without moving beyond that kind of politics, there can be no change.

I also want to thank you for being part of the movement to carry Obama to the Oval Office. It is the participation of each and every one of us that has made our movement what it is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5641608

[BigDDem]

164. "She feels betrayed, not by the campaign, but by white people."

Sounds like she's got some serious growing up to do.
Are PA voters typical white people?

[NC_Nurse]

165. There is nothing tougher than being young and idealistic only to have some

dark realities hit you hard. That said, congratulate her for her work, let her know we all thank her and support her.
There's been a LOT of shit in this campaign, the powers that be don't like to give up easily. We have to fight to take
them down and every little victory is a cause for celebration.

I am not at all surprised by Clintons' win. She was ahead by 26 points 6 weeks ago. She had to get down in the mud, get
further into debt, and burn a LOT of bridges to pull out a single-digit victory. Big deal. She's already lost, she just won't
admit it. Ignore her spin and keep the faith.
Hugs to you and your daughter. We love you! :hug: :grouphug:

[Romulox]

166. These vote for Obama or you're a RACIST! threads really should be locked. nt

[Zodiak]

176. That is not what this thread is about

But thanks for trying.

It's about the comments that this girl had to hear from people in her neighborhood for supporting Obama.

[Romulox]

179. It's about a young person's lack of appreciation of irony, apparently..."betrayed...by white people"

[Zodiak]

180. You say tomato...

If you choose to focus on only a few words to maximize your outrage, feel free.

Let the rest of us take the post for it's totality.

[MADem]

186. Ah, but "The Anointed One" goes by a different set of rules, you see! NT

[CatnHat]

182. There are

millions of young people who campaigned their butt off for Clinton. What's your point exactly. If you want to blame anyone, blame your candidate instead of feeling "betrayed by white people". Get a friggin' grip already. Typical Obama supporter, put the blame on anything or anyone except your candidate. Just another "excuse" from the Obama camp, he can't hold up to debates, he can't hold up to scrutiny, and most importantly, he can't carry states that are vital in the GE.

[BooScout]

187. When all else fails....play the race card .....AGAIN

Pretty much a lot of us are sick of this shit. Obama and his campaign has gotten away with it far too long.

[demokatgurrl]

188. Well hopefully it will give them strength

I have backed MANY a loser in my 30-some years of voting. And a candidate who won and had his rightful office stolen.
You have to go on. Otherwise you could become, dare I say it, bitter.

[Raejeanowl]

189. They'll Learn About Reality n/t

[jackson_dem]

197. Somebody send all these "whites are racist" threads to Ferraro

These complaints, which were made even by Obama's surrogate on Larry King to "explain" him losing PA after spending $16 million in 6 weeks, go to the heart of what Ferraro said. She basically said Obama benefits from so-called "white guilt" and the country is "caught up in the concept" of electing a black man to correct the country's original sin. Here we have Obamites, seeing Obama tanking with whites (and Latinos too, he lost them 66-32 in TX. Latinos will be receiving their memos by the time Puerto Rico rolls around like they did after Nevada and before California and Texas) and what do Obamites do? Try to induce white guilty to salvage him.

[CTLawGuy]

199. this makes what Geraldine Ferraro said extra harmful

clearly designed to foment this sentiment, an anti-black, anti-affirmative action sentiment (even though there is no affirmative action running for president).

Blacks have it easy huh?

[Anexio]

201. I Support

Barack Obama because:

A: He is a black man like me that has the same sort of ignorance and racism projected at him that I do.
B: Hillary Clinton is a crook, a lier, and will say and so anything to become President.
C: It's the right thing to do.


It would be nice if I could raise our daughter in a world that doesn't make judgments on people simply because of the color of her skin, width of her nose, and the straightness of her hair.

[TK421]

203. Did I let her down with my Hillary vote?

I apologize......NO I DON'T ! Fuck this argument, it's total crap :mad:

[PBS Poll-435]

204. I think you did. And my soul needs healing...

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:



:rofl:

[TK421]

205. You know what? This type of crap has gone COMPLETELY too far!!

I'm sick of it! SICK OF IT!!! FUCKING PISSED!

Perhaps St.Barack can give you a new soul...full of hope and change! :D

[PBS Poll-435]

206. My soul was fine pre-Obamenon...

And I think it still is today.

Although...

I feel different today. His unexpected victory in PA (per his friends at NRO) has shaken me to my core. This was a state that Clinton should have won. And she lost. Why? Why? Why?




:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

[TK421]

207. Oh fuck!!!! He actually WON it? Where the hell have I been?

I could have sworn that she won my state by 10 points ( now I'm hearing it's 9.4...whatever makes them feel better ) I really have to pay closer attention to this place!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[PBS Poll-435]

208. Please re-connect your hose to the nitrous oxide.

Obama won a STUNNING victory in PA. Hillary was devastated & started drinking. Again. Get with the program!

[TK421]

210. I was off my Obama-Aid for a moment....let me take a couple of sips here, wait a sec

.......ahhhhhhh!!!!! Much MUCH better! I see trees with the most vibrant green these eyes have ever been accustomed to!!!! The birds are larger, too!! and their song carries a melody that makes my heart want to jump out of my chest and dance on its own!! I feel HOPE Ladies and Gentleman!!! YES I DO!!!!

[PBS Poll-435]

212. Oh dear...I think we found our next code words...

"The birds are larger. I repeat: The birds are larger."

[TK421]

213. The Aid is grape...I repeat...the Aid is grape!!!

:pals:

PS- the eagle shits on the owl since the owl only looks to its left and right.....

[PBS Poll-435]

214. Oh no...

...the eagle shits on the owl since the owl only looks to its left and right.....

Does that mean bad weather is coming? Or do I have a previous revision of The BOOK?


Edited for this:

:pals:

[TK421]

215. That means a "shit-storm of Biblical proportions is heading your lily white-ass way"!

[PBS Poll-435]

217. I will prepare with the necessary duct tape and vinyl tarps.

Thanks for the heads-up!

:pals:

[FrenchieCat]

209. Please understand,

See the video for real proof!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwd88C25J-0&feature=user



Dem's the facts. :shrug:

[PBS Poll-435]

211. She can, and she will.

Deal with it. Soon.

[midnight]

216. Noel I hardly know what to say. Is your daughter studying

political science, and has some fact or other information for her to feel "White people" are responsible for this current event? I know many people in my community who are white and supporting Obama.