Bill Nelson again today said blood on the floor at convention if Hillary 7% or above.

[madfloridian]

Well, Bill, just relax now. She apparently hit that percentage. You have done your job well, keeping things stirred up here in the state.

Now you get to do it some more. You get more chances to threaten that blood will be all over the floor in Denver. I never saw anyone as obsessed with spilling blood.

First time you threatened it in early April. There is even a video of your saying it.

I believe your exact words in the video were "blood all over the floor."

U.S Senator Bill Nelson (D) Fla., spoke about a number of issues facing Floridians today. At his office in West palm Beach, Senator Nelson discussed a possible solution for the democratic delegate issue – and voiced concern that if something wasn’t done soon to reach a compromise there could be “blood on the floor” in Denver during this year’s Democratic Convention.

Today you promised again that blood would be on the floor of the convention.



From PBS today:

Florida Awaits Primary Results

TAMPA (2008-04-22) The Pennsylvania Primary may determine whether Florida's delegation gets to participate in the Democratic National Convention this August. If the race is close and the Democratic presidential contest continues, it may prolong seating Florida's delegation.

U.S. Senator Bill Nelson is a Florida super delegate who supports Sen. Hillary Clinton for president. He was asked what a narrow win for her would mean in Pennsylvania.

It's probably that it's over. If it's a big win, she's all the way to the convention, says Nelson. He defines a big win as 7 percent or more and a narrow win as 4 percent or less.

If the Democratic race is contested up to the convention, Nelson predicts, There will be blood on the floor. His theory if delegates from Florida and Michigan are not seated, it will be unlikely voters will support a Democratic nominee.

Nelson declined to say if he would ask Clinton to bow out if her Pennsylvania victory is not overwhelming.

Also this week you lashed out at the DNC and Dean again. I guess this is the way it will be all the way to the convention. :shrug:

Senator Nelson lashes out at DNC

I never expected these actions and behavior from my state, my senator, my representatives...nor did I expect it from the Clintons. I thought they would be better than that.

Your threats of blood are wearying me. Also that is your second threat to Howard Dean that Floridians will not vote for a Democrat if they don't get their way. That doesn't sound like a very reliable stance for a Democratic senator.

Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) warned the Democratic National Committee (DNC) Thursday that it is facing the “biggest train wreck you’ve ever seen” if a standoff is not resolved over his state’s pledged delegates to the party’s presidential nominating convention.

“If they go to the Democratic Convention and stiff-arm the Florida delegations, how in the world do you think Floridians are going to support the Democratic nominee on Nov. 4?” Nelson told reporters Thursday. “It’s in everybody’s interest to find a solution to this problem.”

A Democratic senator putting his loyalty to his candidate above his party and his country, and using vitriolic language toward the chairman. Something is really wrong.

[azmouse]

1. I'm really beginning to think the Dems want to hand this election to McBush.

[SoCalDem]

4. Is he going to slit his wrists and the convention? Pay-per-view, I hope

:)

[ayak9]

50. Is this guy off his meds?

Seriously, Dr. Bellows called and he and Jeannie are worried about Major Nelson's rantings. He may be about to rupture a vein or something, threatening to go all postal on the convention floor. Maybe we can get Larry Hagman to run for this seat.

[SoCalDem]

77. Too bad he didn't take a spacewalk with a leaky airhose n/t

[Skittles]

12. I thought same thing when the media picked our frontrunners n/t

[kenny blankenship]

28. Clintarchists do maybe. DEMOCRATS do not

[Donna Zen]

2. Wouldn't it be cool

If Bill Nelson would fight that hard for Democratic policies and against the republicans?

[madfloridian]

6. Yes. Trust me, it would.

I can not even talk to his aides anymore. Their attitudes are as arrogant as his.

[Jane Austin]

10. Boy, ain't that the truth.

And likewise for Clinton.

Where was this "fight" against Bush?

[Cassandra]

3. Maybe he's planning on slitting his wrists.

Just a thought.

[still_one]

7. Maybe his throat, it is quicker /nt

[still_one]

5. Other than nelson being an ass, even if they include the florida votes, Obama still is ahead

both in the popular and delegate count

What is he saying? He doesn't believe in Democracy?

What really is at stake is who cares more for the country over their personal interests

[provis99]

8. Bill Nelson ain't a Democrat; damn DINO

he's like Zell Miller without the charming Southern duelist mentality.

[RB TexLa]

9. Not everyone lives by the phrase "Everyone should do as Howard Dean orders them to do."

[madfloridian]

11. This is how Hillary will get to the convention. Breaking the rules.

She doesn't care if she is breaking the rules. It truly does not matter.

She will destroy Obama rather than lose.

[joshcryer]

Dean better hope the superdelegates swarm to a candidate for the presidency.

Honestly now.

[RB TexLa]

21. They don't have to decide until it's time for them to cast their votes

nothing Howard Dean says changes that.

[BzaDem]

13. I know it's hard to hear, but it's the honest truth. You can't expect FL to go dem if you ignore the

will of its voters.

[Beregond2]

17. Who's ignoring them,

except their own party leaders?

[madfloridian]

18. Yes, I can. Most will put their country first.

Most Democrats here will vote for the Democrat in spite of their sorry ass senator.

[BzaDem]

25. The question is not most. You should know how close FL always is. If this affects anything by 2%,

forget it.

[madfloridian]

26. My question...are you defending Nelson's stance?

That the party will be bloodied and Floridians will not vote for Obama unless they get their way?

[BzaDem]

31. I'm not saying the party -should- be bloodied, or that Floridians shouldn't vote for Obama.

I just happen to think that enough of them might do it to flip the election in FL, if Obama comes close in the first place. The fact is that Floridians did not get to take part in actually choosing the nominee. I know you think the rules are much more important than giving everyone a voice, but regardless, at the end of the day, the Floridians didn't get their votes to count towards the nominee selection. I'm not saying the state party isn't to blame, I'm just stating a fact.

So I certainly hope all FL democrats who feel disenfranchised will vote for Obama, but I don't think they will all do it. Just like I will fully support Obama and put time into his campaign if he is the nominee, but I don't think he will win the EC.

[madfloridian]

33. It is their responsibility to inform themselves.

Not to parrot the media and the party leaders. That is their job as voters.

[my3boyz]

14. Maybe it will be his blood. nt

[madfloridian]

15. Those who say he is right....care more about Hillary than their country.

That is the biggest problem we face now.

I have been accused of being a party loyalist. What the heck is that?

My state openly and knowingly broke the rules and then taunted the DNC and its chairman.

I have never seen anything like it. A senator choosing his candidate over his country and party.

[Beregond2]

16. I think he means

he'll be having his period then.

[kwenu]

19. I just decided that I'm not vacationing in Florida this year. Hawaii here I come.

[mcollier]

Contribute to Obama if you can

we need to continue... While Hillary pays her campaign managers $200,000 per month and still owns Mark Penn $10 million to run the old politics type dirty tactics, the Obama campaign is rightly focusing on getting the message of change and hope in addressing the challenges that all Americans face.

Your support is needed to continue to keep the momentum... We have a fight with John McCain a month from now...

[kwenu]

23. I donate to Obama's campaign monthly and certainly will continue.

:applause:

GOBAMA!!!

[madfloridian]

24. We did tonight.

If it's going to drag on and get bloody, at least we will have done our share.

[mcollier]

22. Contribute to Obama if you can

we need to continue... While Hillary pays her campaign managers $200,000 per month and still owns Mark Penn $10 million to run the old politics type dirty tactics, the Obama campaign is rightly focusing on getting the message of change and hope in addressing the challenges that all Americans face.

Your support is needed to continue to keep the momentum... We have a fight with John McCain a month from now...

[madfloridian]

20. I can't wait to see how many defend this senator.

I will be very interested to see.

He is advocating for his candidate above all else. He is threatening that the voters will not vote for the Democrat if they don't get their way in breaking the rules.

I am very curious to see. Going to kick back. I have already today been said to be party loyalist, and playing to my "fan kid" base here.

I guess a few more titles won't hurt. I guess I just want to see how far total complete loyalty to Hillary goes.

[IndianaGreen]

27. Bill Nelson, a living example that zero gravity does affect one's brain

Florida is the state that can't count the votes when it matters.

[madfloridian]

29. Heh Heh...

and wasn't it only one trip into space?

[HooptieWagon]

83. Space...

The final frontier....


When it comes to space, Nelson has plenty between his ears.

[Divine Discontent]

30. where was this BLOOD-LETTING he mentions

when John Kerry was running and Nelson could have HAMMERED shrub's horrible record with these vicious words and helped sway Florida away from the teat of the BFEE and into a place of understanding Kerry was the far better choice?

BILL - STFU! I cannot stand this man anymore. Hillary has brought out the worst in her backers - the choices they are using for wording, to large audiences, is appalling.

I will not vote for him ever again.

[grantcart]

32. too bad we can't put this guy on 'ignore'

[BayjanDem]

34. I voted for this guy

His senate voting record and some of his comments lately have made me wonder. The party is already divided, this doesn't help.

[Evergreen Emerald]

35. Clinton is AHEAD IN THE POPULAR VOTE

They better not GIVE it to Obama and subvert the will of the people.

[karynnj]

40. No she isn't

1. Look at the real clear politics charts.
2. It makes no sense to sggregate popular vote over states using caucuses and primaries. This is just another nasty Clinton effort to create chaos if people don't give her the election.

[madfloridian]

43. No, that is a lie. DU should not permit that here.

I even sent the mods a link to show them.

[truebrit71]

36. DINO Bull needs to STFU and go play shuffle-board...

Jag off that he is...

If the Fl Dems hadn't broken the rules this wouldn't be an issue...they broke the rules, they pay the consequences...

[moondust]

37. I love those arbitrary imaginary numbers.

They carry so much meaning. :sarcasm:

[madfloridian]

38. Very angry today.

This is not sitting well with us. His threats are making us more upset.

I think I can't look at her face anymore. Nor Bill's.

That's it. That is how I felt when I woke up.

If she can destroy Obama I guess she will be happy.

[progressoid]

39. Lieberman/Nelson 2008 for President!

[zerostar]

41. HE KNOWS IT IS HIS OBLIGATION

to try to get us seated, a huge number of us Floridians have been protesting & flooding his office with these cries. We can find a fair way to do this, but dumping millions of PEOPLES votes for something a few in suits did to us is WRONG and he will be held responsible if it is allowed to go down that way.

[madfloridian]

42. His propaganda worked. Hillary's propaganda worked. You support Hillary over country.

People are not caring about truth.

I hate them both now with a passsion.

I don't like her face on TV. Hubby turns the channel quickly.

I hate them.

[hayu_lol]

44. Obviously past time to send...

Bill Nelson, Ben Nelson, Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman off to Sadr City for an inspection tour--unaccompanied by troops.

[PVnRT]

59. Hillary didn't care last September, either:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3134

"We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process. And we believe the DNC's rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar."

[madfloridian]

45. Hillary has convinced people the DNC broke the rules. Amazing, isn't it.

She has convinced people that delegates don't matter, just popular vote. Amazing, isn't it?

A Democratic senator puts her ahead of his own party and country.

VP Bill Nelson...coming up?

[InfiniteNether]

46. He must have popped a woody after last night.

[MessiahRp]

47. Both Senator Nelsons are DINOs

I'd want neither in the Senate if I had my druthers. Of course this also means I require progressive replacements.

Rp

[liberal_rxstudent]

48. AARRRGGGHHH!

:puke: I,too am weary of hearing him and this "blood on the floor" crap! HE (Nelson) is ridiculous! This guy calls himself a democrat....and maybe he is forgetting who voted him into the senate (yeah...that is correct...a lot of democrats). But to say what he is saying seems like he is ENCOURAGING Hillary's supporters to abstain from voting for Obama (if he comes out to be the nominee, which is likely) in the general election! He is nuts...it's almost as if there is some vile conspiracy to put McCain into office (the chills run wildly down my spine) if Hillary doesn't get her way. This is making me feel embarrassed by some in my beloved party. Grrrrrrr...it hurts me to admit that. :mad:

[madfloridian]

49. I just felt sad and angry when I got up today.

Her PA win is just enough to keep her going to the next state, and she still can not win.

Nelson sold his soul for Hillary.

[dutch-Eddie]

51. Keep the soap opera going, guys :)

[ShortnFiery]

52. So what! You broke the DNC rules Bill Nelson. Stop crying and blowing snot when it's YOUR fault ...

that your state will not be counted. I'm confident that the delegates will be seated 50:50 by the convention in August. Considering all your covert shenanigans, that's generous. Plus 50:50 would still allow the FL (and MI) delegates to be seated.

What part of "YOU BROKE THE DNC RULES" do you not understand?!?

[Tippy]

63. Yep he broke the rules but FL apprently don't play by the rules...n/t

[iamjoy]

53. Maybe It's Not A Threat

Maybe it's a warning, or prediction. It doesn't mean it's something he wants or supports. Most voters aren't paying enough attention to know the whole story of Florida's primary debacle; and many don't care. If Florida voters feel they were shut out or excluded from the selection process the rancor they hold (and it doesn't matter whether they blame they DNC, the FDP, the candidate or all three) will affect their vote.

I try to picture myself canvassing and talking to voters and one says, "Well, the DNC screwed us, so screw them." And I say, "Oh, no, it wasn't Howard Dean, it was the Florida Democratic Party." Do you think that makes them feel better about their feelings of abandonment and disenfranchisement?

You are full of enlightening facts, madfloridian, but pay less attention to perceptions and emotions. In elections, it often seems that the latter two carry more weight with voters than the former. If you disagree, explain how Bush beat Kerry.

Oh, and Nelson isn't the only one concerned about "blood on the floor" at the convention, although most don't use such graphic language. Why do you think Chairman Dean is pressuring the undecided Super Delegates to make up their minds and wanting it wrapped up by early June?

[redqueen]

55. Uh... it's Bill's hyperbolic / inflammatory rhetoric

that is INTENDED to get people's emotions all worked up to begin with.

[madfloridian]

57. I care about truth.

"You are full of enlightening facts, madfloridian, but pay less attention to perceptions and emotions. In elections, it often seems that the latter two carry more weight with voters than the former. If you disagree, explain how Bush beat Kerry."

I do disagree, and it has nothing to do with Bush beating Kerry. It has to do with a campaign that only is about itself, not the party and not the country.

I just posted how well the Clinton propaganda has worked. It has worked better than truth has.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2022

They have used propaganda against Dean. It has worked. We could lose in November because of it.

[iamjoy]

79. Of Course

I care about the truth too, but sadly it seems most people do not (or do not care enough to find out the truth or acknowledge it when they see it).

Bush vs. Kerry was an example of how people fell for rhetoric and smears over the truth and facts.

The anti-Dean rhetoric has worked and we very well may lose in November because of it, but simply telling the truth in this case is not a remedy for rancor. Tell the truth because facts matter, but don't expect it to change the outcome or people's feelings of being screwed. I don't belive most people understand the distinctions between the national party and state party, to them, it is the same entity.

[Why Syzygy]

54. If the Democratic race is contested up to the convention ...

It won't be contested. The SDs are going to put an end to it.

[LSK]

56. Bill "I cant stop voting with the GOP" Nelson

Thats your Hillary SD's people.

[JVS]

58. Message to bill: Bring it on you motherfucker!

[livetohike]

60. The Democratic Party will alienate an entire generation of young

voters if they don't recognize Obama as the frontrunner now. Just my opinion.

Clinton is old politics. Time to get out the broom and sweep in the new politicians

[cd3dem]

61. Who decided the people of Florida should be the sacrificial lamb for Obama?

Everyone whines about the "young voter" the "black voter" and the "Obama" voter... what victory is it when all the votes are not counted? It sounds like some democrats are following in the footsteps of George W. Bush and the Supreme Court, by not counting the votes in Florida, for the good of the people and to be done with it!

shame on all of you who think a victory at whatever cost is worth it!

If Obama had won Florida, he would be claiming it as a victory and insisting they be seated. Do not forget, Obama spent 1.3 million on TV ads in Florida. The only person to do so.

Obama can spend every last dime of the people on public assistance who send him money but he still is not going to win these states. And Florida will not vote for a man who disenfranchised them.

[madfloridian]

62. Racist statement: "the people on public assistance who send him money"

I am posting your comments in full so people can see the wording.

shame on all of you who think a victory at whatever cost is worth it!

If Obama had won Florida, he would be claiming it as a victory and insisting they be seated. Do not forget, Obama spent 1.3 million on TV ads in Florida. The only person to do so.

Obama can spend every last dime of the people on public assistance who send him money but he still is not going to win these states. And Florida will not vote for a man who disenfranchised them."

Shame on you.

[cd3dem]

67. there is nothing racist about it! I have seen it posted and heard from white friends on assistance

who are sending their SS money to Obama while living on disability... it is YOU who assume when I say a person is on assistance that I infer they are of color.. you must think only people of color are on assistance to jump to this conclusion!

[madfloridian]

73. Then perhaps against those of low income? Democracy matters to them.

I alerted, but I see your post is still there. You can call it what you want, but it is an ugly statement.

[madfloridian]

64. I hope someone else is alarmed at your racist statements.

.

[redqueen]

65. Is that a slam at poor people, or minorities, or what?

Either way... :puke:


I'd much rather have the support of the downtrodden than fatcats and evil assholes like Scaife.

More :puke: for you.

[madfloridian]

66. I think both race and minorities are included.

Quite an ugly post.

[Name removed]

70. Deleted message

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[madfloridian]

75. Wait. You are now calling me a racist? Those who support Obama as racists?

I am quoting you....

"this is why I would never vote for Obama! he is nothing but trouble for this country! he would create a bunch of angry people rather than people who actually want to create equality!"

[cd3dem]

68. why do all Obama supporters think everything is racism?!

there are more white people on assistance than persons of color! get educated!

[redqueen]

69. Why do you think I said POOR PEOPLE first... DUH!

:eyes:

Whatever way you want to slice it... if you think that wasn't an ugly, and very TELLING post you made there, you've got a lot of learning to do yourself.

[cd3dem]

71. I hear all the time people posting here and elsewhere.. people sending in money they do not have

and Obama spends it like a sailor on shore leave! I am sorry but this race is ugly and Obama is one who has made it so! He acts like he is above it all but he is taking money from people when our country is in a financial crisis! he spends millions upon millions without regard... when our state had its caucus the money he spent was uncalled for!

I don't believe elections should be ruled by money! and to keep asking poor people for more and more makes me sick!

my first exposure to the Obama campaign was from a fund raiser who called my house asking for $100 and I said I had no job and was a single parent of 4 kids... the women then asked me if I could afford $50 instead!

[redqueen]

72. If you don't think we see right through you...

you're only fooling yourself.

[cd3dem]

78. I think you fail to think at all!

Most Obama supporters are so to a way of thinking they are beyond help! I am sure you are one of them... you think you know everything therefore you need not listen to anyone!

anyone who fails to share your opinion is evil!

[madfloridian]

80. I think you are going to...

go on my good by list.

Say good by now.

[SoCalDem]

74. hey Bill.. You can get a really good deal on razor blades at Costco

but then you probably prefer Sam's Club

[madfloridian]

76. Instead of addressing Nelson's words....attacks are me and Obama

I find that amazing, I really do.

[madfloridian]

81. Now MI is joining Florida is appealing to the DNC. Is a lawsuit next from them?

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/floridapolitics/entries/2008/04/23/michigan_files_companion_to_fl.html

"Michigan DNC member Joel Ferguson has appealed a decision from the party’s Rules & Bylaws Committee to eliminate all of the state’s convention delegates. Ferguson said his two-part complaint is nearly identical to one Florida DNC member Jon Ausman filed on March 14.

Both are awaiting word about whether the committee will consider the pleas. But Ferguson isn’t holding his breath.

“These guys want to run the clock out,” Ferguson said. “They’d like to see this thing decided and make a rule that doesn’t mean anything and doesn’t offend either campaign. And by doing nothing, they offend everyone.”

Ferguson’s timeline might be about right: Asked about Florida and Michigan delegates earlier this month, DNC Chairman Howard Dean told CNN that, “The nominee will set the rules.”

[LibGranny]

82. Get him a straitjacket!

[marshall]

84. It's an extension of Hillary's Rocky analogy

To show that the campaign has balls, they threaten blood and pummeling (and obliteration of Iran).
It's like some kind of death wish--because everyone knows Rocky lost the fight to the charismatic black guy.