Nothing short of a disaster for Obama

[Seeker30]

Outspends Hillary 3 - 1 and still loses by 10 points. He has yet to win a big state except his home state.

Dems do not win General Elections by winning small red states, Hillary has won all of the states that needs to be won in a GE and the Super Delagates want the White House, Hillary is our best option.

[anonymous171]

1. She needed a 20 point win.

PA is a blue state that went blue for Kerry and will go blue for Obama (Rendell said it himself.)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

46. McCain is ahead of Obama by 10 pts & Clinton by 3. He's also beating O in Mass. Hill. wins by a lot.

I think Rendell was being gracious.

[Hawaii Hiker]

61. They're both ahead of McBush in PA, & Obama has small lead over McBush in MA

http://electoral-vote.com/

[truedelphi]

50. The Clinton supporters can't or won't hear you. n/t

[Condem]

2. Seeker

You better get a hold of your bullshit.

[TwilightGardener]

3. Mmm, no. Hillary already lost the nom. So I'd say the disaster is all hers.

[Seeker30]

23. Link?

She lost?

[TwilightGardener]

26. She will. I'm clairvoyant.

[mkultra]

34. sure, heres a link for you

http://www.math.com/



She made up 10 delegates today putting her 138 behind with only 408 left to get.

She needs to get 67% of the remaining delgates to win. That means she must average 67% in the remaining primaries to break even with Obama.

[scheming daemons]

4. 20-point lead a month ago... 10 points tonight.... and he bankrupted her campaign....

Not a bad night .... for a "loss".

[hogwyld]

42. She has no money left to campaign

In the red for April, and I would be interested to see what her fundraising numbers look like compared to her debts.

[truedelphi]

51. Not once did I hear one of the M$M shills mentioning that Barack

bankrupted her campaign.

[peace13]

5. Yes with her financial expertise I vote Hill to drive the bus

'America' off of the cliff.

[jgraz]

Nothing short of a disaster for Obama will give Hillary the nomination.

And Hillary dropping a 20 point lead during a primary doesn't count as one.

[washingdem]

6. It's a party primary. That's different than a general election. Makes no sense to draw a correlation

[cliffordu]

7. Wrong answers!!!!!

Go study the way this party works and then come back when you can count delegates.

Here's what I think about your 'Morning Joe' talking points, too, suckah.
:hurts:

[rocktivity]

8. He was supposed to lose by 20 points. She needed to win by 30 to impress the superdelgates.

You can't help but outspend someone who has nothing to spend. And "small states don't count" thinking hasn't worked for the Dems in more then ten years--it certainly didn't win us Congress in '06.

:headbang:
rocknation

[BootinUp]

9. I feel pretty good about her

chances at this point. I give her a 40-50% chance of being the nominee. When you hear or read superdelegates or other party officials talk about finding a way to bring this to an end, I have two acronyms for them: FL, MI.

[Condem]

14. A sawnote, Jim4Wes?

[BootinUp]

20. If I had it

it would go to her campaign, lol.

Tell ya what, just for bragging rights we will revisit this "bet" later.

[Condem]

28. I'm with ya, Jim

[Zhade]

44. I'm a witness! You will lose all bragging rights.

NT!

[BootinUp]

22. I'm not sure

what a sawnote is, to be honest.

[Condem]

30. In this case, a $100

[krkaufman]

38. Or abbreviations, perhaps. n/t

[BootinUp]

53. Whoops,

thats better.

[Condem]

10. I see that the Elizabeth rumors are fading fast.

[MercutioATC]

11. God, you people make me laugh...

...thanks!

:)

[goletian]

lol, obama shouldve lost by 20 points.

hes running against the clintons, a household name. and hes a newbie AND hes black. hillarys not lookin so hot right now. plus, lets not forget obama actually has the money to outspend hillary, hahaha.

[yourout]

12. Ignore is back......just in time to add one.

[Seeker30]

59. Do you call your ex's and tell them you're going to ignore them too?

Or are you old enough to have any.

[my3boyz]

13. Keep telling yourself that. LOL nt

[Elidor]

15. Is it really?

:popcorn:

Tell me more.

[davidpdx]

16. Keep repeating the talking points

You fail to realize, Obama has out raised Hillary 2-1 last month, she was favored heavily in PA and has pretty similar demographics to Ohio. Also this is not a popular vote race, it's a delegate race. How many more delegates will Hillary win over Obama? By my estimation it will come out 87-71.

By the way, Obama won Texas as it was a Primacaucus (99-94).

408 more pledged delegates left. How many more truly BIG wins does she need?

Here's the next five:

Indiana-close
North Carolina-Obama
West Virginia-Clinton
Kentucky-Clinton
Oregon-leans Obama

Even if she won 3 of the 5 (which is unlikely)

[brindis_desala]

17. you do understand there will be a general election in November

psst... it's not just for president

[Milo_Bloom]

He sealed the deal tonight. Clinton has no path left to nomination.

[XemaSab]

18. Going into Pennsylvania Hillary needed to win 60% in every state plus 60% of the SD's

Going out of Pennsylvania, she needs to win 61% in every state plus 61% of the SD's.

How did this help her? :shrug:

[GetTheRightVote]

19. Right I see a lady who puts herself first before our real choice

Obama, I will never vote for her, not in a millions years.
So perhaps you had better re-think that one, what you say.

[gcomeau]

21. Keep telling yourself that. I'm sure it's comforting in your hour of need.

In the meantime, here in reality, we're just continuing to watch Obama roll right along with Clinton utterly unable to dent his delegate lead, overcome his popular vote, take more states, or touch his fundraising capability. But you do what you need to do to keep from collapsing into the fetal position at the thought of Clinton's prospects of actually winning.

[cooolandrew]

24. The big states are blue states that's Democrat Obama is Democrat, so false argument...

It's a delegate reace Barack has a 150 lead and still hasopular vote lead. If Hillary somehow bizarrely wins enjoy even higher oil when Iran is bombed.EOM.

[cui bono]

25. spin spin spin

Losers.

[Hope08]

27. Except ...

He leads in pledged delegates.

He leads in the popular vote.

He has a consistent lead, outside the margin of error, for the last month at least, in national polling by Gallup.

But just so we can put to rest this "electability" thesis to rest (I wish), study the state-by-state polling numbers available on electoral-vote.com:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/Apr22.html (Obama vs. McCain)

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/Apr22.html (Clinton vs. McCain)

You will see that either Senator Clinton OR Senator Obama defeat McCain. Combine that with the enormous fund raising advantage by Senator Obama and I don't see how Senator Clinton can pull off the nomination with any claim of legitimacy.

[RBInMaine]

29. Spin spin spin. She had HUGE demographics and machine help advantages. She was SUPPOSED to win PA.

[JeffR]

31. I'm sure you're smart enough to know this is disingenuous.

No matter if you don't, of course. Lots of people will, though.

[mattomjoe]

32. "Outspends Hillary 3 - 1"

Huh. Wonder where he got all that money to "outspend" her?

[GoldieAZ49]

33. you got that right!

[IsItJustMe]

35. LOL

[Usrename]

36. What you're saying isn't true at all.

She cannot win the general without Illinois or Massachusettes and Wisconsin.

She lost all of them.

[johnnydrama]

37. whoops

Dems don't win by losing huge in Philadelphia. She lost by 30% in Philadelphia.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

39. It looks like he can't win the midwest - how can he win w/swing voters who are to the right of Pa.?

He can't win the older voters and the middle-class voters. They probably will vote for McCain instead of Obama.

If he can't win with all of that money and loses by double digits - he can't win in the fall with all of the people who are waaay to the right of the ones in Penn.

There are some who are racist, sure, but there are also people who are not into the "soaring" rhetoric. They want meat and potatos.

[InfiniteNether]

64. Yeah, and McCain is just the candidate to deliver "meat and potatoes"....idiot.

[RBInMaine]

40. Another blunt-minded post comparing primary to GE. Kindly get educated.

[VotesForWomen]

55. it's O-ists who ignore the GE; O's wins in WY, UT, GA, etc won't amount to a hill of beans in the GE

[Zhade]

41. Keep dreaming, Obama will be the nominee when you wake up.

NT!

[Terran]

43. why do so many HRC people insist...

on correlating primary wins with the GE? Any idiot can see there is no such relationship.

[Zhade]

45. Simple desperation - they need to feel she still has a chance where she has none.

NT!

[Seeker30]

48. Who won again tonight?

Well?

[Terran]

66. non sequiter

Thanks for nothin'.

[joshcryer]

52. It's based on the assumption that defections will occur with the more working class voters.

That is, that if Hillary isn't nominated her supporters won't go to Obama.

But if Obama isn't nominated his supporters will go to her.

The overall polls illustrate this to be the case.

[VotesForWomen]

56. it's the O folks who claim O's wins in little red states correlate into GE victory, no? nt

[Terran]

67. No n/t

[truebluecollar]

47. Kinda wish Ol' Hot Flash's enthusiasts would stop flogging that

particular dead horse. The big blue states that touch water are going to be big blue states in November regardless who the Democratic nominee is...even if the candidate is the proverbial yellow dog (or at least the female designation thereof) I think Ol' HotFlash's main strength in the big blue states is nothing more than good old fashioned "brand" loyalty. That, and the guttersnipe way she conducts a campaign.

[DemGa]

49. The "presumptive nominee" loses PA

Doesn't look good at all for Obama.

[VotesForWomen]

54. yep, but O-ists will continue to insist that his wins in WY, UT, SC etc. are what really matters. n

[Justitia]

57. LOL - "has yet to win a big state" You mean like TX or Alaska? Oops. -eom

[TragedyandHope]

58. I beg to disagree

Obama did an excellent job of narrowing a 20+ point gap down to less than half that in a state where all the odds were against him (demographics, support of the Governor and big city mayors along with their political machine, a shared media market with Clinton's "home" state and name recognition).

He is still decisively in the lead across the country in the race for the nomination. Unless record numbers of Democrats betray their party in the General Election, he will combine the record numbers of Democratic votes and have a great chance to do extremely well in all big states where he has made a strong showing.

[Blarch]

60. Only a stone cold idiot would think....

Obama can't win NY and CA in the GE.

[indimuse]

62. Obama CAN'T WIN!

.

[Bentcorner]

63. More importantly, she's pull ahead in the popular vote.

It's good to see that money doesn't buy an election.

[PVnRT]

65. So, you assume that those who vote for Hillary will not vote for Obama?

Hmmmm....