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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:21 PM
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So now what?
I'm an Obama supporter and I just got back from 4 days of volunteering for him in Philly. I feel proud because I helped to achieve the huge turnout there that gave him a bigger margin than expected in the city. I felt an enormous amount of pride helping to get out the vote in dilapidated parts of the city with mostly African American neighborhoods, where there was clear economic distress but yet Obama's candidacy brought so much pride and hope. But I have a heavy heart, because I have a sinking feeling that this country is just not ready.

A conversation I had today while canvassing an Italian neighborhood in South Philly forced me to accept that there may be just too much racism in this country to overcome. A young Italian guy who was doing roof repairs stopped me and asked what I was doing, and I got into a lengthy conversation with him about Barack. He said he did not like any of the candidates and did not plan to vote today, but I thought I had made progress convincing him to go out and vote for Barack. But when I asked him at the end of the conversation, he thought about it for a minute, then said point blank that he just could not bring himself to vote for a black man. He knew that Obama was only half black, and claimed not to be racist, but he said "don't you think we give black people enough for free in this country?" and said that he just couldn't vote for a black candidate. He claimed his grandmother would disown him if he did.

As much as I support Barack, and as much as I had been hoping he would decide to run, sometimes I wish he'd waited. If only he'd waited 4 or 8 years, more people from the Jim Crow era would have died off, more people like my 17-year-old cousin who came canvassing with me would be old enough to vote, and Obama would struggle less with the perception that he lacks the right experience to be president (a notion I fiercely disagree with, but that's another conversation).

I am in no way renouncing my support, but I don't want him to get the nomination if he can't win the general. If we are going to lose I'd rather Clinton be the nominee so Obama will get another chance in 4 years. Maybe a Clinton/Obama ticket is a win/win for him...either he becomes VP and gets to run again in 8 years with more experience (and after more people from the Jim Crow era have died off), or he spends 4 more years in the Senate and is basically the presumptive nominee four years from now with 4 more years in the Senate under his belt.

I know that Obama has the lead in pledged delegates, but I think we need to evaluate whether the nomination will be a prize worth winning if things continue to go the way they did tonight. If he simply runs out the clock he'll go into the convention lacking momentum, and a divisive convention will make it that much harder to unite the party. Getting the first African American president elected is not going to be easy (nor would it be easy to elect the first woman president), and if we are going to succeed we need all hands on deck. If too many people are bitter because they feel their candidate was wrongfully denied the nomination, it's not going to happen, and we won't stand a chance in November.

This is painful for me, because I have never had a candidate I respected and admired so much, and yet I am terrified of him getting the nomination, because I am terrified that this country is still too racist and close-minded to vote for him. I want him to be president more than anything, but deep in my heart I have a sinking feeling that there is no way it will happen this year. So I don't know where to go from here, or what to do. I don't want to give up on Obama...I will never give up on a candidate I believe in so much. But I am afraid of succeeding in the nomination fight only to lose the general, and that's the worst of all worlds for everyone.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:21 PM
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1. Now he goes negative and obliterates her.
Bunker down. It's going to be a long primary. :hide:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:22 PM
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2. Completely expected result.... and we bankrupted our opponent.....

Lost a battle... but won the war.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:32 PM
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11. Exacty the point many here miss
It's how we ultimately won the cold war with the Soviet Union by bankrupting them.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:25 PM
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3. I am very sorry you seem to care about the wrong issue.
You a Racist asshole said he could not vote for a Black man. Well guess what. From reports I am getting there are alot of assholes in PA.

He is out of that area now and into Indiana.

And in the GE he will do fine against McCain.

Just chill and keep your spirit up! He will do fine in the GE!
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:26 PM
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4. He needs to win PA in the general though
And after tonight I am afraid it won't happen.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:28 PM
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7. It will happen.
Forget about the bullcrap. Once we are no longer divided democrats will win big.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:30 PM
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10. Why? Losing to a Democrat in PA has nothing to do with how he'd do against a Republican....
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:26 PM
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5. Does Obama have to win all 50 states plus Puerto Rico to convince
people he's not the loser, or what? Sheesh. PA was Hillary's state--I called her victory there 6 weeks ago. He closed the gap by a reasonable amount, even after 6 weeks of relentless pounding from ALL sides. He's proving his mettle. He'll lose some, but in the end, he'll have won MORE of everything--and he didn't get blown out in any "big battleground states", either. The SD's know that. Calm down.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:28 PM
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6. There is no way we can move ahead unless we challenge the culture.
This is what change looks like. Be so very proud of your work. Thanks!
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:29 PM
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9. Bingo!
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:29 PM
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8. You helped him nab 10 points!
Congratulations and thank you.

PA was a stinker, but I think your fear will be lessened in 2 weeks. Plus, you're forgetting a bunch of his western (and he will take CA this time), mountain west, and midwest states wins.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:13 AM
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12. I'd like to think I made at least a little bit of a difference
I know my mom netted him at least one vote, by driving a 91-year-old woman with a broken hip who wasn't going to be able to vote to the polls to vote for him. And I think I got a few people to come out and vote who might not have otherwise, and I may have convinced a few people who were planning to vote for Hillary to switch. I feel good about the work I did yesterday, but shitty about the outcome.
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