Current DISCREPANCIES between CNN and PA Dept of State

[FlyingSquirrel]

County ............. State ..... State ....... State ........ CNN ....... CNN ....... CNN
......................... % ....... Clinton ...... Obama ...... % ........ Clinton ..... Obama

Adams ............ 97.96% ...... 6,348 ....... 4,559 ... 100.00% ..... 6,541 ..... 4,708
Bradford ........ 100.00% ...... 3,750 ....... 1,908 ... 100.00% ..... 3,733 ..... 1,895
Bucks ............. 98.34% .... 71,830 ...... 42,869 ... 100.00% ... 71,830 .... 42,869
Clearfield ....... 100.00% ..... 7,844 ........ 3,596 ... 100.00% ..... 8,167 ..... 3,763
Dauphin ......... 100.00% .... 18,357 ..... 25,679 ... 100.00% .... 18,332 .... 25,529
Delaware ......... 98.35% .... 41,408 ..... 51,349 ... 100.00% .... 41,288 .... 51,255
Indiana ............ 95.59% ..... 6,877 ....... 3,891 ... 100.00% ..... 7,832 ..... 4,392
Lackawanna ..... 98.77% .... 42,333 ..... 15,017 ... 100.00% .... 43,067 .... 15,272
Lancaster ....... 100.00% .... 22,710 ..... 40,628 ... 100.00% .... 22,710 .... 27,126
Lawrence ....... 100.00% ..... 12,581 ...... 4,349 ... 100.00% .... 13,202 ..... 4,541
McKean ........... 95.24% ...... 1,861 ......... 994 ... 100.00% ... .. 2,240 ..... 1,166
Northampton ... 100.00% .... 18,296 ..... 12,215 ... 100.00% .... 31,583 .... 19,893
Philadelphia ...... 97.62% ... 149,657 ... 279,921 .... 97.00% ... 149,686 ... 280,147
Pike ................ 66.67% ...... 2,421 ....... 1,524 ... 100.00% ..... 3,620 ...... 2,250
Potter ............. 60.61% ........ 572 .......... 286 ... 100.00% ..... 1,047 ......... 567
Somerset ....... 100.00% ...... 8,407 ....... 3,192 ... 100.00% ..... 8,510 ...... 3,235
York .............. 100.00% .... 29,112 ...... 23,542 ... 100.00% ... 28,768 .... 23,248


Total -- CNN gives Clinton 17,792 more votes and Obama 3,663 fewer votes.

SOS site puts percentage at 54-46% while CNN calls it 55-45%.

In particular, note Lancaster difference of 13,502 votes missing from Obama.

(Edited to improve formatting)

[Diane R]

1. Thanks for staying on top of this. I think CNN got their marching orders...a 'big' win for HC tonig

[chknltl]

2. Needs links, here is one of them

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

[Eurobabe]

3. MSM needs to make it look like double-digits

Why honor the will of the voters? Spin SELLS!

Matthews: Media Created The “Delusion” That Clinton Could Win
During Tuesday’s Democratic presidential primary coverage on MSNBC co-host, Chris Matthews, declares the race between Obama and Clinton to be essentially over before the polls closed in Pennsylvania and blames “the media” for creating a horse race he says doesn’t exist.

“…But I really do think it’s a strange time because we’re all watching to see who won, but as Nora pointed out, 4 out of 5 ,or so, of the Hillary voters today believe she’s still in the running. That this is still up in the air and I think that was probably a mistake of the media. I think in the effort of the media, to try to keep this game going, we’ve created the delusion that somehow this race is still open. I don’t think it is open. I think if you look at the numbers Barack has to really blow it in the weeks ahead to lose.”

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/22/matthews-media-created-the-delusion-that-clinton-could-win/

[Guaranteed]

5. OUCH. That, sir, deserves its own post. nt

[Eurobabe]

7. I'd love to, but I've reached my 3 for the day.

Feel free to copy it and post in GD P

[jbardin]

4. lancaster webpage consistent with CNN

cnn results are consistent with the lancaster county results (from their webpage, http://www.co.lancaster.pa.us/lanco/site/default.asp):


Candidate Votes
Barack Obama 27126
Hillary Clinton 22710
Write-In 0
by District 49836

[FlyingSquirrel]

6. Here's the Secretary of State website on Lancaster

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ElectionsInformation.aspx?ElectionID=27

[DerekJ]

9. Yes, but the county website is reporting it as CNN is reporting it.

I wish state site is right of course. However, at this point the county website is probably a more credible source.

We will see in the morning.

[jbardin]

10. lancaster posted election results as well

check the lancaster webpage and click on "primary election information" then "2008 primary election results" then "democratic" then "federal". The results for president are consistent with CNN's reporting. note that other elections on the ballot had close to the sum of total votes reported on the PA SOS website for democratic candidate (>60k).

[John Q. Citizen]

8. What's weird is the totals for Obama on both sites don't show the Lancaster discrepancy. In fact

CNN shows a little over 1000 more votes total for Obama than the state site does.

[jbardin]

11. cnn has been updated more recently.

[FlyingSquirrel]

12. True, but both sites say that Lancaster is 100% counted.

Perhaps the County site is more accurate than the Secretary of State site? If so, why?

[jbardin]

15. the reason that the lancaster discrepancy does not show up in the CNN totals

is that it is buried in the noise as other results have boosted both candidates totals. If you were to add 13000 votes to the totals for Obama on CNN, you would find that the percentages agree much better. (SOS-O 45.7%, CNN,adjusted-45.6%).

I want to trust the SOS data, but as it is inconsistent with other voting data in the region, feel it is safe to say that the county data, which is consistent with CNN, is most likely the correct data.

Nonetheless, this small difference will have a only small effect in the long run. It might not be such a bad thing if the primaries drag on some more; DEMOCRATS ARE REGISTERING IN RECORD NUMBERS and this will certainly play a role in the general election! Clinton needs 69% victories in the remaining primaries to come out ahead in pledged delegates, which Pelosi and other top democrats have been vocal in supporting as the group that will decide the nomination. So far, she has only gotten above 54% six times (PA-55%, NY-57%, RI-58%, OK-55%, AR-70%, and MA-56%). Furthermore, she has only broken 69% once. Therefore, it makes sense for Obama supporters to stop worrying about a brokered nomination and embrace the 'tight race' as an effort to register more democrats.

[jordi_fanclub]

13. Look & compare turnouts, specifically the Lancaster turnout...

There are something "fishy" with the turnout numbers there.

[FlyingSquirrel]

14. Northampton is actually quite different as well.

Both sites say 100% counted


SOS: Clinton 18,296, Obama 12,215

CNN: Clinton 31,583, Obama 19,893

Clinton gains 13,287 while Obama gains 7,678


Interesting.......

Well, this may just be a tempest in a teapot. I guess the county sites are probably right. I'm gonna go to bed.

[SunsetDreams]

16. Thank you, I knew something was up! K&R

[SunsetDreams]

17. kick