She's still trailing

[MadHound]

Even after a primary contest that saw thousands of Republicans crossing over to vote for Hillary, thus insuring her a win in PA, Hillary is still trailing in all of the meaningful categories. She is still a hundred plus behind in the delegate count. She's still a half million behind in the popular vote count. She's still millions of dollars in debt.

And she is not going to win in North Carolina, and at best she might eke out a win by a very slim margin in IN. Nor is it looking anymore promising in the states coming up after that.

But she's going to continue this primary death march. Her ego, her greed won't allow her to quit, no matter that it is an impossible task that she's set for herself, no matter that she's tearing the party apart.

It's really become a sad and pathetic spectacle, a candidate begging for money on national TV during her "victory" speech. But hey, Rush still likes her, as does Coulter, Murdoch, Hannity, Buchanan, and millions of other Republicans. When will she figure out that these sort of victories are hollow ones, that she's not riding on the shoulders of Democrats, but on the shoulders of Republicans who want her to win only because they know that McCain will beat her like a gong in the fall.

But I suppose we'll continue this death march. It is, after all, her right. No matter that it is foolish and counterproductive, sad and pathetic that Hillary is willing to sacrifice so very much on the altar of her greed and vanity.

[LibertyorDeath]

1. Thanks for the Sanity

[MadHound]

3. No problem,

After listening to all the talking head last night and this morning yammering about what a great win this is for Hillary, even though she saw half of her lead disappear, a thought that some facts were needed.

[sandnsea]

2. And he's won 28 states to her 12

By every measure, he's whooped her. Matthews, of all people, called it exactly right. The only reason this continues is because the media is creating the delusion that she can win.

[MadHound]

5. Good point, forgot that one

I need more coffee;)

This is media driven and it is also driven by Clinton and her backers. Lots of influential people and organizations are still wanting to ram Hillary down our throats, and with their heavy influence they can lean on the media also.

[sandnsea]

6. I just did a double take

She's only won twelve states - TWELVE. Are you shitting me, we're going to think about giving a nomination to a candidate who will have won, at the most, 15 states total?? It's crazy. I was going to create a post, but I've hit my 24 hours limit.

[MadHound]

10. Truly sad

I actually saw some talking head on CNN last night stating the Puerto Rico just might do the trick for Hillary.

It is getting ridiculous what the media and Hillary supporters are stooping to in order to justify her ongoing death march.

[C_U_L8R]

16. I thought Obama's won 31 states

hmmm i'll go check

[Eagle_Eye]

4. Obama still can't put her away

With all of his advantages in money, media, and vocal support, Obama cannot exact a clear victory over Hillary.

Obama is going to get pasted by the ruthless, professional, lying, blackmailing, republican hit machine McCain is going to field against him.

[d00mzday]

7. And Hillary still can not win!

And with all her so called experience and name recognition and big money backers she is still not leading? She will wake up today realizing she was worse off before the primary ;)

[Eagle_Eye]

12. Obviously Obama can't win over Hillary

[MadHound]

15. Are you blind?

He has the lead in delegates, popular vote, campaign cash, states, he is winning this contest. Yes, he is winning. Sure, this contest is going to probably, unfortunately drag out to the convention. But Obama will win.

How is Hillary going to win this? Is she going to blackmail or bribe the superdelegates? That's her only option at this point, because the math for the rest of the pledged delegates doesn't go her way. She's going to lose in NC, SD, and OR. The rest of the contests will be close, with Obama having a real chance to win in all of them. So tell me, how is Hillary going to win?

[Eagle_Eye]

19. Hillary is going to be eve-up going to Denver, the real question is: How is OBAMA going to win

He has every advantage you list, except a clear, crushing victory over Hillary.
If he can't show a clear victory over Hillary, what performance will he show over the ruthless thugs McCain is going to field against him?

[MadHound]

25. Even up how? What sort of muddled math are you doing to make that statement?

Do you honestly think that Hillary can get 65 plus percent of the popular votes in the states that are left? In NC, IN, OR, SD? You are tripping.

And tell me, what qualifies as a "clear crushing victory over Hillary". He's handed her her ass on more than one double digit occasion, what, you're wanting a shutout?

[Eagle_Eye]

30. The numbers will require a floor vote at the convention.

Our candidate will be selected by the rules of the convention.

Hillary is even-up enough to go to the convention for a vote.

[sandnsea]

8. No, there just isn't any way to make her leave

She's Lost. Is there something about more wins that you don't understand? More delegates. More popular vote. More states won. More primaries, more caucuses. She just won't face reality and go away.

[Eagle_Eye]

13. Hillary and Obama seem to be about even-up, yet you declare she has lost

Sounds like you are saying "My candidate should be the winner because I like him best."

[MadHound]

17. No, I'm stating that Hillary cannot win this thing

The delegate math, the money math are all going against her. Unless she has some sort of way of blackmailing or bribing all the super delegates, she's going to lose. Tell me, how will she win?

[Eagle_Eye]

24. She can win at the convention in Denver

You make the assumption a win can only be on the first round of voting.

Hell, we may throw both Hillary and Obama out and nominate Edwards.

(Think about it)

[MadHound]

29. If Hillary wins at the convention, it's the end of the party, at least for a decade.

Overturning the will of the people as expressed in both the delegate count(which Obama leads in) and the popular vote(which Obama leads in) would be a sure ticket to tear the party apart and give McCain the win, and the Republicans dominance for a decade or more.

As far as Edwards goes, you are getting further and further out there.

[d00mzday]

21. about even?

about even? How much does she have to win in every single state now to be about even? Get real lol

[Eagle_Eye]

27. The nomination will be decided on the floor in Denver

Real politics by negotiation is going to take place.

I hope Obama has good experience in political negotiations.

[MadHound]

32. In other words you and Hillary are counting on the decidedly undemocratic,

Smoky back room tactic. Niiiiice. Way for a Democrat to be undemocratic. Way to ignore the will of the majority. Way to tear the party apart and flush it down the toilet. Neither you nor Hillary apparently give a shit about any other Democrat running for national office this fall, because if you did, you would realize that your solution will kill all Democrats' chances at the polls this fall.

[Eagle_Eye]

28. The nomination will be decided on the floor in Denver

Real politics by negotiation is going to take place.

I hope Obama has good experience in political negotiations.

[MadHound]

9. Given the fact that when this whole thing started,

Hillary was considered invincible and inevitable, I think that Obama is doing quite well. Sure, it's playing out like a boxing match that's going to be decided on a technicality, but the simple fact is that unless Hillary has some way to either bribe or blackmail hundreds of superdelegates to vote for her, she is going to lose. Where's she going to make up the pledged delegate number? Where's she going to make up the popular vote number? Where the hell is she going to get the money to do either of the above?

And frankly if you think that Obama is going to lose to McCain, you're hallucinating, badly. National polls show Obama either even with, or winning over McCain, while they show Hillary losing to him, badly.

[Eagle_Eye]

14. So you agree with me that Obama now has all of the advantages over Hillary

He just does not have the mettle to win.

[MadHound]

18. You need to stop putting words into people's mouths

Of course you're a Hillary supporter, so you're following her lead, I understand that. But please, don't try that shit with me.

[Eagle_Eye]

22. Excuse me? I didn't read post #9 that I just replied to

[thoughtcrime1984]

23. Media? give me a break!

They are definitely rallying around your girl. He has more money because he has more ardent supporters that put their money where their hopes are. Vocal support? Hillary has some pretty loud supporters. He will not get pasted by McCain, although like many Hillary fans, I imagine you hope so....

[SunsetDreams]

11. I totally agree, the Math is still not there!.

[Jawja]

20. She plans to get the nomination

by destroying Obama between now and the convention and getting the Party to give the nomination to her.

[MrCTLib]

26. ...

Hillary is up 100,000+ in the popular vote if you add Florida and Michigan. Every vote counts!

[Blarch]

31. She already agreed that their votes DON'T COUNT.

[MadHound]

33. If you honestly think that after trashing Democratic party rules

That Florida and Michigan are going to be counted, as is, you're hallucinating. At best those states will be seated with their votes split fifty-fifty. At worst, they won't be seated until after the voting is done. And frankly Democrats in both states have nobody to blame for that but their own state party leadership.

[dommyluc]

34. Hillary is delusional

She is screaming about her huge victory in PA, not mentioning she blew a 20-26 point lead and has bankrupted her campaign in the process. CNN and the rest of the media are trying to keep this alive but we know the truth: her campaign is through. I don't care if she did raise $2.5M after this primary (almost enough to pay Mark Penn and his McCain-lovin' firm) - Obama will raise more, and his campaign will now use everything in its power to finish her off. She has squandered everything on one primary win. She has alienated a huge amount of voters in the Democratic Party. She has won a less than double-digit victory in a state that she should have been able to practically ignore just a few weeks ago. She now needs to win EVERY upcoming primary with at least 68-70% of the delegate count, which can basically be done by machine-gunning every potential Obama voter. The only way Hillary can win the nomination is by stealing and intimidation, which will ruin her - and the Dems' - chances in the GE against McSame. So go ahead, Hillary. Keep living in your little dream world. Get Edwards or whatever other person you can to try to help you out of the hole you have dug. Try denying your Iran remarks and your Iraq War vote and your deep and abiding love of John McCain and your insults to the hard working progressive base and NetRoots of the Democratic Party. I'll just sit here and watch the meltdown. It will be quite fun watching the end of you and your husband's political careers.