Does anyone else find this suspicious?

[nxylas]

For the last few days, the Clinton campaign has been touting 10% as the threshold they need to win by in order to justify staying in the race. Lo and behold, Clinton wins by...10%, after being ahead by only 8% for most of yesterday evening. I can't prove anything, of course (that's the whole problem with electronic voting machines - nobody can, one way or the other), but I have to say, I'm totally getting a clue right now.

[blogslut]

1. She didn't win by 10%

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

[Lucinda]

42. These numbers don't match yours - from the same site

Pennsylvania Department of State Election Returns
http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us /

Candidate Votes Percent
CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM) 1,237,696 54.58%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM) 1,029,672 45.41%

_______________________
Total votes
2,267,368

[kmsarvis]

44. so she only won by 9 ?

[Lucinda]

45. Under 50 rounds down - over 50 rounds up.

SOP

[Tarc]

2. TINFOIL TIME!

:tinfoilhat:

Face it kiddo, not everyone loves St. Obama as much as you do. More voters than you care to admit were pissed off by the "bitter" comments, for one.

[shadowknows69]

3. She didn't win by 10 yet two MSM websites are saying she did

[Tarc]

7. Another pathetic nitpicker because it may be 9.5 rather than 10?

:eyes:

[shadowknows69]

14. She's the one that said the bar not me

And also? She lost Texas, which Bill said she had to win. Just empty words?

[futureliveshere]

17. 9.4% which rounds to 9%.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

19. Math is hard, isn't it?

8.5% is a lot closer to 8% than to the 10% being reported by the media.

It's not going to matter anyway, since she needed to win by 30% just to keep from losing ground.

[TorchTheWitch]

13. Doesn't matter what the MSM says

Superdelegates aren't going to be getting the numbers from the tv. The official number is an 8.6 point Clinton win... not what she needed. Close but no cigar. The MSM can say whatever they like, but it's the official numbers that matter. Clinton was supposed to win here by +20 and she didn't quite make half that. All this did was keep her from bailing out now although I don't see her ever bailing out and staying in as long as she possibly can.

[Jamastiene]

22. CAN'T TOUCH THIS!

cue music...

[Bucky]

4. No, I don't. I think you're being paranoid.

[nxylas]

9. Maybe I am

I still think electronic voting machines with no verifiable paper trail need to go, though, in order to erase such suspicions once and for all. Elections should not only be democratic, they should be seen to be democratic.

[Bucky]

41. Oh, absolutely the EV machines are the tool of Republicans. But never Dems

If there was a Dem who'd benefit from the abuse of electronic, paperless voting, it wouldn't be Clinton

[nxylas]

43. Do you think?

I'd have thought that of the two candidates, Clinton would be more likely to benefit than Obama. She had the PA political machine *and* Rush Limpballs backing her.

[flpoljunkie]

5. She won by 8.5%, yet they continue to say 10%. They "pimp themselves out" for Hillary, particularly

"Morning Joke" Scarborough and Pat Buchanan who are disingenous jerks still hoping their party will be facing Hillary Clinton and not Barack Obama.

[NightWatcher]

8. they also still say that she won Texas

[PerpetuallyDazed]

6. To be honest, I was thinking the same thing!

I didn't even realize the Clinton camp had been touting the 10% thing until this morning when I looked up the results... but now apparently the 10% is being disputed, so I really have no idea. But I still perhaps do share your suspicions. :)

[City Lights]

10. She hasn't won by 10% yet, but apparently she doesn't need to.

The media made up the difference for her by taking 8.5% and rounding it up to 10%.

The corporate hoore media at their finest! :puke:

[Window]

12. Disgusting. And all this for +10 delegates??? Laughable.

[merh]

11. maybe those superdelegates she is courting will

be savvy enough to recognize how she stretches the truth and gives herself more credit than she is due, add to that her desire to obliterate an entire people and they may stop returning her phone calls.

One can hope that reason will win out over emotions. It doesn't with her campaign or her supporters, that's for sure.

[NJmaverick]

15. The FACT of the matter is the Hillary couldn't even achieve the margin

they thought was a slame dunk. 9% is below the threshold, time for her to say good bye.

[baldguy]

16. She really needed a 20-25 point win to stay in the race.

And now she needs 40-point margins in the remaining states to win.

[ClassWarrior]

18. She didn't lose by 10. She lost by 12.

At least according to her campaign's on metrics on PA.

NGU.

[BlooInBloo]

20. Except that she didn't win by 10%.

[Jamastiene]

21. If ya can't prove it, then how do ya know?

:P

[nxylas]

24. That was kind of my point

That's the whole problem with electronic voting machines with no way of verifying the results. It may have been a legitimate victory, it may not. We just don't know. I'm opposed to electronic voting on principle, unless there's a way of verifying the result independently. I'd be saying the same thing if Ed Rendall and the rest of the PA Democratic machine was backing Obama and he had got a 10% victory.

[RememberWellstone]

23. Here come the excuses

LMAO! Has the thought ever crossed your mind, maybe there are a lot of people that don't think Obama is qualified? Maybe? Could it be we are not all heaing towards a cliff of the unknown? Maybe?

[nxylas]

26. Maybe, but we have no way of knowing

Doesn't that bother you, or don't you care how your candidate wins, as long as she wins?

[Life Long Dem]

30. And maybe there are a lot of people that know how unqualified Clinton is. n/t

[WinkyDink]

25. No. That would be just you. Get over it.

[TwilightGardener]

27. Yep--it's the Ohio phenomenon. Wherever she's got the gov and the state machinery, she

wins by about that margin--exactly the margin she says she needs. Funny how that works.

[Poll_Blind]

28. I have got SUCH a CLUE! n/t

PB

[Life Long Dem]

29. Right now the official count is at 8.6%

But keeps moving slightly. http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

[H2O Man]

31. No.

I don't. I think that her win is something that her campaign can be happy with, and it is a level that the Obama campaign can be happy about. Obviously, Clinton would have rathered to win by 18 points, and Obama to lose by under 5. But both sides come out with something from PA.

[NC_Nurse]

32. Nope they saw the internal polling and decided to make their "magic"

number what it needed to be. It's still a fall of 16 over 6 weeks. And 10 million in debt.
But don't mind that - the numbers were what we predicted...:shrug:

[BigDDem]

33. Right!!!

and did you hear the govt invented HIV to wipe out blacks?

[nxylas]

35. That sounds like the Bush supporters in 2000

They tried to dismiss anyone who harboured suspicions about the Florida result as a kook, too. As it happens, other posters on this thread have done a great deal to allay my initial fears, but posts like this don't help.

[BigDDem]

36. it sounds like Barry's spiritual mentor for 20 years

[nxylas]

37. Barry, huh?

I hear there's another site that calls him by that name.

[BigDDem]

38. and so did his high school yearbook

[nxylas]

39. Delete

Dupe

[nxylas]

40. That was when he was 18

He's now in his 40s

[pipi_k]

34. Whatever the percentage was....

The thing that made me nearly spit a mouthful of coffee at the TV screen this AM was to hear her proudly exclaim "The tide is turning!!!!"

WTF?????


It's not a tide, Hill-baby

It's one state....your HOME state.

And whether it's 8.3% or 9.4% or even 10%

the win wasn't all that impressive



If I were Hillary, I'd be wondering why the percentage wasn't more than that