Clinton did NOT win by double digits in PA, +9.4 or, not a 10 point win w/ 2% outstanding in Philly

[usregimechange]

54.7
-45.3
=
9.4

rounds to:
9

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/PA.html

Plus votes are left to be counted in Philly (98% in). Results from http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ indicate Clinton won with 8.5%, which also does not round to 10.

Please respectfully correct anyone saying that Clinton won by 10.

[blogslut]

1. 8.5%

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

[Alhena]

Kos says the official site is wrong.

[blogslut]

11. link please?

Navigating DailyKos is a freaking nightmare

[Changenow]

31. He says it because it is being reported,

but the reports don't explain the difference. Maybe there are absentee ballots in the state results that aren't in the press results?

Repetition doesn't make it true.

[Changenow]

32. He says it because it is being reported,

but the reports don't explain the difference. Maybe there are absentee ballots in the state results that aren't in the press results?

Repetition doesn't make it true.

[mod mom]

45. Also PROVISIONALS which will favor Obama (usually new voters + urban) NOT COUNTED YET!

[Tarc]

2. My god, theO-Bots are fucking pathetic this morning

Quibble about some damned rounding now? :eyes: 9, 9.4, or 10, it is still a clear and convincing victory for Hillary Clinton last night.

[DemVet]

7. Indeed. They're whining because O got his ass kicked. Pathetic.

[usregimechange]

23. Yes, discussing the actual returns and margin of victory = whining, what BS

[usregimechange]

17. No one said it wasn't, just telling the truth about the margin of victory

[Eurobabe]

3. Let her and the HBs have their 10 flippin' %

Hillary is not getting the nomination anyhow, so the whole point is rather moot.

[tekisui]

10. 10% and 10 Delegates. Not nearly enough.

[BayouBengal07]

4. But...but...

But NPR said she needed 10 and got 10!

The media is going to tell you what they want you to hear. I haven't heard a peep about Clinton's campaign debts, only that "OMG she lives to fight another day how did she do it?!"

[Changenow]

5. With 99.07 in it is 8.5%

54.3%
45.8%
------
8.5

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

[onenote]

8. state numbers are not correct.

As has been pointed out elsewhere

[flpoljunkie]

9. Really? Why not? Aren't they the results that count?

[blogslut]

14. link please?

?

[onenote]

20. link here

Kos is reporting (you'll have to scroll down a bit) that one county's numbers got screwed up on the state's site, and that the AP numbers (used by CNN and others) match the county's own information.


http://www.dailykos.com/

[Changenow]

34. Maybe the counties reported absentee

separately, it's not unusual. Or overseas?

There should be more than this.

[blogslut]

40. Maybe

But he's got some folks disagreeing with him in the comments. Time also is saying 8.5%

http://thepage.time.com/2008/04/22/fox-clinton-wins-pennsylvania/

[bbernardini]

6. But that IS double digits!

A 9 and a 4! ;)

[BeyondGeography]

And even if it's 8.5 she still won by 13

[onenote]

12. a request from an Obama supporter: stop whining

Whether its 9.6, 9.4, 8.8, whatever.

Its done. Do you think the average person gives a rats ass as to whether it was 10 percent or 9 percent?

PA is over. NC and Indiana are on tap. Focus.

[usregimechange]

19. I am just pointing out the correct margin of victory, how the hell is that whining?

[onenote]

24. because losing by 9.3 rather than 9.6 , or 9.8 or 10.1 isn't really significant

The fact that the numbers are being rounded isn't anything new, although some here act like its part of a conspiracy. If you round the individual totals you get 55/45. If you don't round the individual totals you get a 9.3 difference.

We're talking about differences of a few tenths of a percentage point. It looks silly to argue that its signifcant.

[usregimechange]

29. I said nothing of its significance, simply pointing out the correct margin of Clintons's victory

[Changenow]

25. Why not say she won by 25%

or 2% if the margin doesn't matter?

[lapfog_1]

42. As I pointed out with Texas... and many other times

the MSM always reports this like its winner take all GE for President for each state. And it isn't. In fact, I could give a rat's ass about the vote totals in the state. What matters is pledged delegates. how many for each candidate. That's all.

So far, I've heard that it's Hillary +9 to Hillary +14. And now there are 158 fewer delegates to fight over.

[Mass]

13. Lazy media are too ready to accept memes.

[GCP]

15. Does it matter?

He lost yet another big state. Deal with it.

[NJmaverick]

16. Single digits don't cut it, time for Hillary to say good bye

[HereSince1628]

18. As an Obama leaner IMO this line is simply the beating of a dead horse

Sen Clinton is NOT going to be dropping out over the results of the PA primary.

The result is in the "tween" not small enough or large enough to sway many SD's either way.

So how about we say what is obvious...

Sen Clinton won in PA and gets a few delegates but probably not enough to close the gap by more than 10.

[4themind]

21. Let's Chill please

We don't know whether she HAS or has NOT won by double digits because as you've said the results aren't in yet, so everybody including fellow obamains should chill untill they come in, then we can say who was or who as not won by what amount. You also have to concede that they will round the individual numbers in the MSM, not the difference, it's been like that in all of the other states on outlets like CNN, many times to our benifit. It makes us look less confident when we sweat .4 like this, and we have too many advantages in this race to be perceived that way.

[islandmkl]

22. did you not watch the wall-to-wall coverage on ALL the networks last night?...

she kicked his ass...he can't close the deal...the supers have got to be worried...he is not the fighter, she shows that she is...she was outspent 3, 4, 5, ..1000 (for Joe S.) to ONE and he couldn't beat her...he has no game plan to offset his weaknesses...etc., etc., etc.......

>He closed a f***ing 20+ point deficit to within single digits in 6 weeks

>SHE was the overwhelming 'presumptive' winner of PA the whole time

>She is broke, as if it is Obama's fault that he has OUTRAISED the clintons by huge margins (no discussion of WHY that has happened)...and she can't PUT OBAMA AWAY...

...it WAS a win for Hillary...compared to the status of the race 6 weeks ago, it is a MSM-fueled stretch to call it a BIG win, and slightly amnesiac to portray it as a GOOD win...she was SUPPOSED to WIN...

the MSM want BO & HRC to keep killing each other...it's the ratings, man...it's the ratings...

forget facts...

[4themind]

THe facts will come

Because the math is the math, and it catches up with everyone, even hillary and the MSM in the media. As long as their is a mathematical chance (even if it's slim) they will pump it up to improve ratings. But there will be a conclusion to this that everyone will have to either accept, or defect to the other side, hopefully for the democratic party it won't be the latter.

[shadowknows69]

26. She even said herself that she needed 10%

[ShortnFiery]

27. The whores in the MSM didn't want to stray from their "double digit" meme ...

anything to keep this going because it will, in the end, serve their corporate masters. Keep us "little people" at each other's throats.

HRC: Wake-up you dumb a**es! The Clintons" OWN The Democratic Party.

If HRC can't steal the Nomination, she and her operatives will make DAMN sure that a Democrat doesn't win the WH. That's why POWER-player authoritarian personalities (Joe S., Pat B., Sean H., Karl R, Sciafe, R. Limbaugh, Murdoch, etc.) now adore her ... she's cut throat and "takes no prisoners."

The reason that we, The Democrats, will snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory is that WE don't have the guts to stand up to the Clinton/Bush dynasties and say, "NO MORE!"

May God have mercy on our souls if HRC scores the Executive Branch. If it's not 24/7 corruption and/or sex scandals, it will be nuclear war in the M.E. :scared: :nuke: Let's hope and pray for the former?

[DrDan]

28. oh good heavens - you need to get a life

[usregimechange]

33. Would that involve me saying that Clinton won by 15% when she didn't?

[Life Long Dem]

38. Another words how dare you question the queen.

Next they will be telling you to quit the conspiracy theories and I'm not for either candidate.

[Changenow]

39. Imagine their outrage if the

media incorrectly reported the margin of her victory as by 10 when it was really 13. It's scary to think about the rants about Hillary victimization.

[DrDan]

44. oh good Lord . . .

(and I am not voting for Hillary)

[DrDan]

43. if you did - I seriously doubt that I would be starting a thread to discuss it

and just to be clear, I am NOT a Hillary supporter - and am probably leaning more seriously to Obama. My candidate, unfortunately, is not on the ballot.

[CK dexter]

30. Or if you round to the second place--voila, triple digits!

[Life Long Dem]

35. And still, Hillary supporters will swear that MSM is against Hillary.

:silly:

[bigtree]

36. too fucking bad

hope you pop a vessel over it

[usregimechange]

37. Alrighty then!

[blogslut]

41. Pennsylvania's State site just updated

Now, it's an 8.6% difference

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ElectionsInformation.aspx?FunctionID=12&ElectionID=27

[SIMPLYB1980]

46. Hold on a sec.