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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:45 PM
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Clinton Not A Factor (If she ever was...)
Yesterday I wrote a post entitled, "On Wednesday, Obama needs to start BEING the presumptive nominee."

I'm glad to see Obama was way ahead of me, per the New York Times today: Obama Shifting Focus From Clinton to McCain

He doesn't need to spend any more energy fighting back her shrill sense of entitlement - he needs to get after McCain - as he is now doing.

Clinton is not a factor in this race - and the presumptive Democratic Nominee is acting accordingly.

GOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:47 PM
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1. Whadda crocka chickenshit bullshit.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:49 PM
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2. The presumptive nominee, Obama, just lost Pennsylvania to the
woman with the shrill sense of entitlement after outspending her 3-1. Why is Obama spending millions of dollars to defeat Hillary Clinton who, according to you, is not a factor? Also, do you think the millions of people who have voted for Hillary Clinton are not a factor in the democratic primary?
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:54 PM
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4. She won PA
She hasn't won the nomination. She can't win the nomination unless the SD's give it to her. She's behind by every measure. And if you're saying what I think you're saying, how does it help you if McCain wins because Clinton supporters don't vote for the Democrat? I can see the advantage for her, because that opens up 2012 for her, but what does it do for YOU?
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:56 PM
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5. Obama can't win without the SD's either. nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:57 PM
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7. Carville said winning a state you were supposed to win isn't important.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:24 PM
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18. OK, neither can win without the SD's....BUT
he is clearly ahead. If the SD's throw the race to the second place contestant, we lose the GE because many Democrats won't vote. If she is somehow ahead (a mathematical impossibility) then I think we would all get behind her candidacy, but not if the first-place candidate is put aside for the second-place one.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:56 PM
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6. Right! And since Clinton is not only broke
but in debt, that has nothing to do with why she didn't keep up with Obama's spending!

This is such a bullshit argument! Are you truly suggesting she under-spent Obama...ON PURPOSE????

Oh, please.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:58 PM
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9. Nope, I'm saying Mr. Money Bags could not defeat Hillary Clinton, even
though he threw millions of dollars into doing so. He could not buy the Pennsylvania primary, no matter how hard he and his supporters tried.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:59 PM
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10. You're forgetting about the demographics of that state.
There's a reason Hillary put the goalposts there. Anyways, he could've gone negative and destroyed her (I wanted him to) but he didn't. Mistake.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:00 PM
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11. Obama couldn't win Pennsylvania, no matter how hard he tried. And he tried everything. nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:02 PM
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13. Actually, it was Hillary who tried everything.
Remember how hard she pushed that "bitter" nonsense? She had to fight tooth and nail to keep a state that was already hers.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:04 PM
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14. She won. That's very bad for Obama. All the money in the world couldn't buy him that win. nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:09 PM
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15. She won by 9 points when she was supposed to win by 20.
It was a win, but it shows Obama's immense campaign strength. She had the party establishment behind her, Obama had to set up his own system for campaigning from scratch.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:31 PM
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19. He went from 25 points down to LESS THAN 10
He never set out to win PA - only to slice into her lead. PA is her "home state" - and she couldn't maintain her significant lead, despite spending $3 million bucks. It should have been easy for her to maintain and even grow her lead past 25%, given your argument.

So why do YOU suppose she lost so much support? Because PA people are so lame all Obama had to do was outspend her to change their minds? If so, you don't seem to think much of the people of PA...and that is the argument you are making - isn't it?
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:01 PM
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12. He spent all that time and money to ensure it wasn't a 20 point blowout
which it wasn't. Effectivelty ending any chance she seriously has to hurt him.

She will get creamed in NC next week and IN will be close either way and whatever happened in PA will be over.

He is absolutely right to turn to McCain, Clinton is now Huckabee with an axe to grind.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:51 PM
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3. Amen!
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:58 PM
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8. Onward to McCain
JFN1 is right on the money.

Distraction-strategy will not work.

Obama's team is too smart to take the bait.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:11 PM
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16. Recommended!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:17 PM
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17. You're right. Hillary has triangualated herself into a loser.
The days of Clintonian pandering to the right are over.
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