Clinton nets 12 whole delegates. SUPERDELEGATES NEED TO END THIS FARCE NOW

[mudesi]

Is she kidding us? This has to be a joke. I just read on CNN.com that Hillary Clinton has no plans to drop out of this race. Tell me it can't be true, because I don't don't believe it.

She now has to win
-Guam by 32%
-North Carolina by 32%
-Kentucky by 32%
-Montana by 32%
-Puerto Rico by 32%
-Indiana by 32%
-West Virginia by 32%
-Oregon by 32%
-South Dakota by 32%

to beat Obama by ONE pledged delegate.



She "won" Pennsylvania by 10%.

It is clear that her ambition now is to run again in 2012. She is attempting to destroy Obama's chances in November. She knows these numbers are impossible for her. It is time for all Democrats to unite against this traitor.

She needs to be challenged for her Senate seat as well. I want her out of the Democratic party now and forever.

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

[anonymous171]

1. Clinton and her cronies don't believe in delegates

[Hugabear]

8. Correction - they don't believe in PLEDGED delegates

n/t

[islandmkl]

2. oh you and your f***ing math....

what's with all the numbers?

bank robbers count the money AFTER they rob the bank, not while they are in the process...

[jgraz]

9. Dude, satire has been rendered obsolete. See below.

[Hugabear]

15. Facts, schmacts

It really has devolved down to that. They've turned into caricatures of themselves.

[TahitiNut]

13. It's not "math." It's arithmetic.

:shrug:

[redqueen]

3. She could do that - get 32% in every primary from here on out.

Maybe Obama will decide to start telling huge glaring lies, and spewing RW talking points about Hillary... and then suddenly her numbers will start to Rise! Rise!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

14. I'll chelsea your arsenal. Wouldn't it also require Michelle to lie thru her teeth?

[redqueen]

22. Oops... oh yeah... Michelle could start saying one thing one day, then denying she said it the next.

It could happen!


re: Arsenal... Don't make me cry :cry:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

32. I REFUSE to man U or anyone else.

[rodeodance]

4. oh pufffffff to your math---ONWARD TO DENVER

[NJmaverick]

7. To hell with what the Democrats want! It's all about what the

Clintons want

[Hugabear]

12. I hear the hoofbeats approaching...

[NJmaverick]

5. What's worse, there are 4 states she is definately going to lose

So the number is for the rest is like 80 something

[jgraz]

6. She's on record saying she would not drop out even if she LOST Pennsylvania

She's clearly in it to be McCain's stalking horse. She needs to be kicked out of the race and right out of the fucking party.

[TahitiNut]

"She's clearly in it to be McCain's stalking horse."

That's the only reasonable explanation. Only an imbecile could believe she's got a remote chance to get the nomination in any honest manner whatsoever.

[Zodiak]

58. Look around

This board is flooded with math challenged top-downers.

[TahitiNut]

62. They're not just "math challenged." They're arithmetic-challenged.

I taught high school math, way back when. From what I've seen on DU, many of the Hillbots wouldn't have been qualified to even BEGIN the coursework in my classes. In referring to them as 'imbeciles,' I've been unkind to imbeciles.

[Cali_Democrat]

18. amen

[grantcart]

10. Now a lot of Clinton supporters are going to look at that and say

No problem Hillary can get32% lol k/r

[Guaranteed]

11. She didn't win by 10%. She stayed in the single digits. nt

[Bigleaf]

16. Fucking flame me all you want, but if the Pubs had the same system of choosing their nominee,

their Superdelegates would never fucking let their nominee twist in the wind like ours does. They'd have kicked Hillary to the curb so fast. Does the Democratic party not fucking learn? Are these people that fucking stupid?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

19. if the GOP had this system, Huckabee would be the nominee

oh that rhymes.

[Hugabear]

21. Really? That's pretty interesting

Maybe a good thing too. McCain definitely seems like the weaker candidate.

[madrchsod]

50. you do realize that hucka` would be better than johnie boy......

[jgraz]

76. Exactly -- if the Pugs wanted the White House, they shoulda nominated Huckleberry

[Erin Elizabeth]

24. No flames here, just a great big fat amen to that.

HELL yes.

[death to the DLC]

25. short answer: yes

long answer: yes



give up our power? forever? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO



they are pathetic

I agree, kick her ass out, Joe will show her the way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. If The Dems Used The Repug System Hillary Would Have Locked Up The Nomination By Now

They have mostly winner take all primaries that are based on population...

[wileedog]

36. Without SuperDelegates in the Dem system she would have been out after WI

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Under The Republican Winner Take All System She Would Have Cleaned Up On Super Tuesday

~

[stillcool]

46. Maybe she should run as a republican..

funny how the 'rules' worked all these years...2X for Bill..but now. Gosh nothing is right!! Why is that? Ooops...I heard Bill say that the other day, and wasn't it debunked, he was lying out of his ass again.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. I Wasn't The One Who Advocated Using Republican Rules

That being said, if delegates were allocated the way they are delegated by the Electoral College( the Republican way) she would be ahead...

How many EC votes (delegates) do you think CA, NY, TX, FL, PN, OH, and NJ have?

[stillcool]

51. Do you think that if the 'rules' were different...

that the candidates would campaign differently? Why would you even bother campaigning in the small states?

[wileedog]

47. Maybe she's in the wrong party then.

Also, in the Republican system both would have campaigned completely differently. Obama purposefuly went after a 50 state strategy to assure getting delegates from lots of smaller states. Its that strategy that has won it for him, and her big state strategy that lost it for her.

You don't know what would have happened with different rules to start out with.

[wileedog]

35. Even without SDs

If Huckabee had gone scorched earth like Hillary has those last few weeks of his candidacy, they would have thrown him out so fast it would be 'maraculous'

This is complete inanity.

[Weevlitz]

37. Apparently not...

..after all...this party lost to George W. Bush....TWICE! So it shouldn't be much of a suprise that they could be letting another slam-dunk victory slip away.

[stillcool]

43. Weird isn't it?...

I think that many are in shock. A funny thing happened on the way to the nomination.

[jkshaw]

17. Actually, she "won" by 9.4% according to NYT

9.2% according to the PA website.

[DJ13]

20. I feel sorry for her supporters because her stubborness gets their hopes up

Every day she stays in the race she slips a little further away from being the nominee, if not from making only 2 additional pledged delegates from a "huge!" 9% win in a primary, from another day of super delegates announcing for Obama.

They continue to believe in the fairy tale she's telling, but when the reality sinks in they will be crushed.

(And they'll probably blame it on us instead of her.)

[Erin Elizabeth]

23. Wow,

Why in the world would you stay in if your campaign were so much in debt and the chances of you winning were nil?

[oregonjen]

27. Can you say 2012?

She is throwing all Dems under the bus for her selfishness, greed and need for power.

[Erin Elizabeth]

30. I have to say something here...

no snark, no hyperbole, nothing.....I am really honestly spooked by that possibility. And it's looking more and more to be true.

If this is true, and she is really just in it to fuck things up for Obama and get McCain in, well. I didn't really think she could go any lower in my eyes, but she'll be less than dirt to me. I'll have to start badmouthing her ass to everyone who will listen for years. She'll be pretty much ALMOST where Bush is now in my estimation and I honest to God never thought I'd say that about a Democrat.

[juno jones]

75. And the supreme court...

The reason we're supposed to grin and bear voting for her.

[datopbanana]

28. I know I know. To pay off you debt with suckers money instead of digging into your own 200 million

[stillcool]

45. the why is easy...

They won't take no for an answer...the "how" is the part that is scary.

[BzaDem]

29. Keep thinking that pledged delegates determine everything. Her win will woosh right by you.

[Erin Elizabeth]

31. Pledged delegates DO determine the winner.

Do you not understand how this thing works? Seriously?

You need 2025 PLEDGED DELEGATES to become the winner, the party nominee. How is that so hard to understand?

[durrrty libby]

33. It is fun to see you blow a head gasket. Blather away

:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

[Erin Elizabeth]

38. I think someone intentionally jeopardizing the

Dem's chances in the fall just for their own self-interests is worth blowing a bit of a gasket over. I literally feel sick to my stomach that she's doing this to the party.

[durrrty libby]

41. Good fer you. Happy to watch blown gaskets and stomach ailments

I think all you people with such poor constitutions and afflicted with Obama Drama

should shrivel up and go away. You obviously bring illness to the party and weaken it like

an autoimmune disease

[Erin Elizabeth]

48. Wow, you're a gross sad person.

[durrrty libby]

55. Quite happy actually. It's all the Cardboard Messiah Followers

who throw conniptions possessed with demons and roll around speaking tongues, swilling Kool-Aid

while stomping their feet :hangover:

[cali]

64. nah. it's the whining tantrum throwing acolytes of Queen Obliterate

who'll have their wee heads explode on the inevitable day of reckoning when the warmonger princess hillypoo drops out. fun, fun, fun.

:hi:

looking forward to seeing your head: :nuke:

[ReverendDeuce]

34. Can you post a link to the delegate calculator?

Thanks!

[mudesi]

39. Here

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html

[Aloha Spirit]

42. If Obama overtakes Clinton in CD07 (within 500 votes right now), it will be a total of....** 8 **

[DerekJ]

56. Elaborate :)

[Aloha Spirit]

60. CD07 is 7 delegates, so the split is either 4-3 or 3-4...

Right now, delegates are looking like 84/74
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/22/11912/6533/642/500733

Here's the votes so far in CD07, 94% in:
Clinton 52,559
Obama 52,072
http://content.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/results.aspx?sp=PA
From what I understand, whoever gets the edge over that 50% line gets the 4-3 advantage.
So, right now, CD07 favors Clinton: 4/3
But if O takes the lead in the remaining 5000 votes or whatever, he gets the advantage, and 84/74 turns into 83/75.

How's that for some hope?
:party:

[DerekJ]

66. Please let me know if this ever happens. Thanks :)

[Aloha Spirit]

67. Not yet, but oh man, now CD10 is within 200 votes of another delegate gain...it might be 82/76

[DerekJ]

70. Stop getting my hopes up. :)

[RainDog]

44. In an attempt to be civil

I heard one superdelegate say that what is happening now is good b/c it is trial by fire for Obama. Clinton cannot win, but she and Bill are low-down enough to throw everything they can at Obama. This is good for him and his campaign because 1) he has shown incredible grace under pressure, and 2) the campaign can go ahead and work out strategies that they know will come from the repukes... they're already coming from HRC.

However, since the DNC knows that Rush, etc. are trying to pump up Clinton's numbers... I wonder how good it is for the party itself for her to continue a losing race. Personally, I think it would be better to let real democrats get on with business, rather than fight among themselves (and the Limbaugh moles.)

If they approach her and she will not bow out gracefully, then I see no reason why the DNC should continue to provide any support for her whatsoever... for her Senate seat, not just her primary campaign.

I have heard over and over and over, from ppl who do not populate political boards, but who are excited about the current campaign because of OBAMA, not for any other reason, that they used to respect Bill Clinton, and even defend him b/c of the stupid bj impeachment. Now, those same people are saying they are disgusted by him.

I'm in that same camp, even tho I do think that perjury is an impeachable offense. If the same standard were applied by the repukes for a president lying about war, I might care. Since lying only matters to republicans when they can use it to try to steal elections, however, I still don't think perjury in his case is quite the big deal. Soooo, it's pretty bad when someone like me turns against Bill Clinton. But HE has done that to himself by his campaign strategies against Obama. It would be an incredible twist of fate if this Clinton campaign ending up costing Bill the support he formerly had, in spite of him.

What amazes me is how anyone can find HRC to be an inspiring candidate. Especially compared to Obama. I have never, in my lifetime, known any candidate who has given me hope for this nation's future... and after the last 8 years, that hope is esp. remarkable.

I do not want to return, in kind, the venom that I see posted here from HRC supporters. I do not want to see that venom from Obama supporters because he has many, many more things to run on, other than political gutter tactics.

I do wonder if it is in the best interests of the democratic party to continue the media circus of a "viable" HRC candidacy. The only reason, other than the first one stated, that I can see is that this fight keeps the democratic candidate in the news cycle and increases awareness. However, lots of people are excited about this election... people who would be better served at this time, imo, if they were put to use campaigning against republicans, not other democrats.

[rg302200]

57. Well put....n/t

[mamalone]

65. You know what?

I completely agree with everything you said, I love how you said it and if you are ever in need of a best-friend, give me a shout;)

[cui bono]

52. Yes please. Time to move on.

[arewenotdemo]

53. Why is Washington not shaded dark blue for Obama, and why the hell is

Michigan light blue for Clinton?

[rg302200]

54. I'm with you...throw her ass out of the party

We have enough Dino's as it is...we could do without one more!

[New Dawn]

59. If Clinton costs us the election this year, she will have no chance in 2012

We will never forget or forgive this.

[depakid]

61. Seems to me the Superdelegates should do their job- and keep us from being trounced in November

That probably means deadlocking the convention, finding someone who can actually win- rather than simply make a "statement."

The numbers in Pennsylvania pretty well speak for themselves, as John Judis noted- it's unlikely Dems will win over key constituencies in swing states with Obama- or with Hillary.

[Raine]

63. Gee twelve whole delegates...

:wow: :rofl:

All the animosity she has stirred up for that small amount, shame on Hillary. :-(

[Austinitis]

68. She just needs the popular vote. And there's no reason she can't secure that.

[thevoiceofreason]

69. Looks like 10 is now the most accurate delegate margin.

Look at psifighter37's kos diary. Excellent district by district analysis. Could go to 8.

[Jonathan2000]

71. Could go to 6

Obama continues to reduce lead in district 10. Clinton now at 62.69% with 80% reporting. Obama picks up a delegate if she drops below 62.5%

[thevoiceofreason]

72. I'll have my wife send him more money if that happens.

6?? Damn!

[Erin Elizabeth]

73. I'm trying to find that diary and not successful.

Would you mind providing a link? Thanks!

[Aloha Spirit]

74. Rieux has the numbers, check it

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/22/11912/6533/642/500733

right now it's at 84/74, but two CD's are near favorable threshhold for Obama
CD 10 within like 200 votes
CD 7 with 500 votes

[mbperrin]

77. Ah yes, the problem is too much voting, too many choices.

Let's just toss the last of the primaries and caucuses because those people don't deserve to have their say, either, right?

Truth is, if it is IMPOSSIBLE for Obama to lose, he can just quit running right now and start in on McCain, right?

Actually, why bother with any primaries or caucuses after the first one? Just anoint the winner right then and there and everything will be neat and tidy.

Heck, maybe even the airlines would run on time under such a nifty system.

If I even need a sarcasm tag, shame on you!