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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:22 PM
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Hillary Clinton is a fighter? Name one time she's fought for anything besides Hillary Clinton.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 03:36 PM by jgraz
Where was her "fight" during the Senate confirmation of John Ashcroft?

Where was her "fight" during the Senate confirmation of Alberto Gonzales?

Where was her "fight" during the failed Senate confirmation of John Bolton?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR cloture on the nomination of corrupt corporatist Priscilla Owen, clearing the way for her confirmation to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR cloture on the nomination of unqualified fascist Janice Rogers Brown, clearing the way for her confirmation to the DC Court of Appeals?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR cloture on the nomination of religious zealot and homophobe William H. Pryor, clearing the way for his confirmation to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR cloture on the nomination of John Roberts, clearing the way for his confirmation as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court?

Where was her "fight" during the Senate confirmation of Samuel Alito?

Where was her "fight" when she skipped the Senate debate and confirmation vote on Michael Mukasey?

Where was her "fight" against the Military Commissions Act?

Where was her "fight" during this summer's vote on the Iraq War Supplemental?

Where was her "fight" during the vote to extend FISA?

Where was her "fight" during the Walter Reid scandal?

Where was her "fight" during the debate on Telecom Immunity?

Where was her "fight" when she SKIPPED the Senate vote to strip TelCo immunity from the FISA bill?

Where was her "fight" on the possible impeachment of Dick Cheney?

Where was her "fight" on the possible impeachment of George Bush?

Where was her "fight" against the myriad scandals surrounding the current administration?

Where was her "fight" when she campaigned for Joe Lieberman against Ned Lamont?

Where was her "fight" when she proposed legislation to ban flag burning?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR the 2001 Bankruptcy Bill?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR the USAPATRIOT act?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR the renewal USAPATRIOT act?

Where was her "fight" when she voted AGAINST an amendment to prevent the use of cluster bombs against civilian populations?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR the Iraq War Resolution?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR the Kyl/Lieberman amendment?


For some reason, Hillary Clinton only seems to be "a fighter" when she's fighting to feed her own naked ambition. Is that really what we want in a president?



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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:23 PM
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1. The only battles she's fought have been the ones she was guaranteed to win.
Creates the illusion of invincibility. I think Imperial England used to do that as well.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:25 PM
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4. HAHAHAHAHA -- like health care. Wow. Guaranteed to win eh.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:26 PM
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7. Well, there was a democratic congress at the time.
Has she fought for anything else since? No.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:32 PM
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73. and they vetoed her repug health care plan, which is no different than her current repug plan......
which forces people to buy corporate health care.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:32 PM
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203. Um ok. Forcing people to buy government
programs. yeah thats repug policy all the way. Are you new to this country? I would suggest a brief history on party policies and the history of each party. Dems think government can assist people to make their lives richer and fuller, repugs want all the money and to hell with the people. Social Security would be a repug program in your book i guess? You have to buy into it.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:59 PM
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211. You're confused. Maybe you should study.


She isn't proposing single payer. That would be like Social Security.



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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:31 AM
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232. No but forcing people to buy anything from the govt.
in my mind has never been a repug mantra. Aren't they the ones always saying the govt shouldn't help anyone? Always saying they want to reduce the size and scope of govt, while giving their cronies sweet govt contracts? Am i missing something?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:19 PM
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66. And boy did she learn her lesson from THAT. She became the biggest recipient of lobby $.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:32 PM
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102. She left that fight for 12 years after one loss.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 06:32 PM by Radical Activist
On the issue she claims to care about most. She doesn't believe in a damn thing.
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:37 PM
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218. Oh, she believes in one thing for sure ...
that she's God, and we all need to bow down and submit to her divine right to rule the world.

FWIW, I'm not kidding.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:38 PM
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114. Didn't she throw a lamp once at Bill during Monicagate?
Bet that was a royal battle.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:31 PM
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126. I think it was a box of cigars. n/t
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mhoran Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:53 PM
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121. Until now
She's not winning this one.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:21 AM
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160. K & R
Great post
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:24 PM
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2. Except Obama didn't fight for most of those either.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:26 PM
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8. Your point being?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:28 PM
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12. They Both Are Timid Centrists
~
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:29 PM
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15. I'm confused. HRC supporters sometimes scream Obama is most liberal. Now timid centrist?
:wtf:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:41 PM
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31. How Is One Substantially More Or Less Liberal Than The Other
Their voting records (when they actually vote) are carbon copies of one another...I'll document it for you if you like ...
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:04 PM
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42. And yet Clinton talks incessantly about how she's a "fighter"...
And Obama does not. Who's being truthful? Hmmm...
:yoiks:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:41 PM
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53. she's a fighter who can't get along with anyone and hates progressives
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:18 PM
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65. The truest post here in months.
:thumbsup:
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:34 PM
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23. Obama is an empty suit!
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:41 PM
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30. Were you one of those people passing out free waffles to protest the election of John Kerry?
Did you make a lot of cigar jokes about Bill Clinton after the Monica scandal? Do you lame Jane Fonda for our losing of the Vietnam War?

Please, get a new script. This empty suit shit is just so stupid.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:50 PM
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37. Empty suit!
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:02 PM
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137. And Hillary is an empty blue dress.
Such a fighter. . .let a cheap intern get ahold of her man.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:18 AM
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149. She wears a lot of RED. n/t
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:19 PM
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140. you do seem to be, yes. nt
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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:56 PM
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85. DUCK YOU
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #85
113. Did you mean FUCK instead of DUCK?
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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:57 PM
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87. Hillary is a Pants Suit
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:19 AM
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150. Yours is an empty post n/t
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Citizen_Penn Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:37 AM
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184. ZZZZZZZ......
Boring.

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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:31 PM
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72. You're right. He didn't.
yet his supporters think he walks on water. :eyes:

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:44 AM
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196. Obama doesn't strut around saying he IS A FIGHTER like Hillary claims. He's a discusser
of issues with the other side, not a pugilist. But Hillary CLAIMS she can win because she can fight, yet she never fought for or even quietly LED on ONE ISSUE against BushInc the last 7 years she has been in the senate.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:24 PM
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3. No question their needs to be political gain for her, before she will fight
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 04:21 PM by nomad1776
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:25 PM
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5. DING DING DING We have a winner!!! Kicked!!
:kick:
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:25 PM
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6. nice one, jgraz!
Good de-bunking of the nonsense.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:27 PM
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9. Great post!! K & R
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:27 PM
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10. She's fighting to balance the budget....
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:34 PM
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103. You mean her campaign budget?
She's losing that one. :rofl:
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:05 PM
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124. yessssss somebody got it.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:27 PM
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11. I just simply love your list of her knifes in our backs.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:28 PM
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13. Did she join the fight against torture?
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:29 PM
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14. I've been looking for an answer on this as well. K&R.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 03:32 PM by speedoo
Thanks, jgraz.

She did not "fight" to elect Al Gore or John Kerry either. Because she was looking at 2008 all along, and actually wanted John Kerry to lose, which is why she knifed him in the back.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:05 PM
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109. Yeah it's a foregone conclusion determining why neither of those two men
Wanted to endorse her.
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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:28 PM
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125. The Clintons definitely did nothing but undermine Kerry in 2004.
They didn't want him to win, because 2008 was already planned. And if that meant four more years of Bu$h, what the hell - four more years of sweet-ass tax cuts on their $109 million.

These people make me physically ill. They should be kicked out of the party for good. They don't belong here, they don't stand for our values, but yet they've had our entire party in a stranglehold for 16 years. No more. People like us are taking it back.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:02 PM
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199. Who has Hillary praised other than those that cheer for her
When she did not defend (she hacked on him actually) Kerry's mis-speak on why some join the military that was when it seemed apparent she was in this game for herself a looong time ago.

I have wondered what her accomplishments have been since law school and have only heard about the short term positions she has had since then in the field of really doing any good for the masses, in congress, the orig. poster has nailed it.

This is truly an interesting post....
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:30 PM
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16. Well said.
It is almost funny that some of our fellow DUers continue to compare her to "Rocky," a fictional figure that is the fantasy of a person who never boxed. That was outdone, however, when one Hillary supporter spoke about an episode of the Little Rascals to support her position that Hillary is a real prize fighter. What is left? A cartoon?

Nominated.
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JBShakes Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:32 AM
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180. RE: Hill-a-"Rocky"
Psssssssssst...

In the first movie?

rocky lost.

(pass it on)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:31 PM
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17. Excellent questions.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 03:51 PM by Kurovski
K&R

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:31 PM
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18. I love your lists
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:31 PM
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19. She's not a fighter, she's an instigator
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:33 PM
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20. She's a Chihuahua posing as a Doberrman.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:24 PM
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142. I think of her more as a jackal than a Chihuahua.
Bigger teeth, less courage, more scavenging, and not to be found in a bag hanging on Paris Hilton.
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mlevans Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:46 AM
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198. While I may agree with your comments
aren't we supposed to be looking for that of the Light in all people?
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:33 PM
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21. womens right, minority rights, childrens rights, healthcare......
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:35 PM
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25. She's talked a good game, but where's the actual results?
Remember, according to Hillary, words mean nothing.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:23 PM
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48. Pundit AssCarrot David Gergen Said She "NEEDED" To Call Herself A Fighter
About 8 weeks ago, she has been using his meme ever since. It is a manufactured bunch of BULLSHIT. The only manufacturing Hillary has NOT sent overseas is her manufacturing of LIES!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:35 PM
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27. Show us where she FOUGHT for any of those. She ROLLED OVER at the first punch back.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 03:36 PM by blm
Kerry and Kennedy crafted SCHP legislation from the scrap heap Hillary ABANDONED.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:35 PM
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28. All of which are in serious danger because she
failed to stand up against Bush when it was important
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:34 PM
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22. She DID help lead a fight - she and Schumer spoke AGAINST Alito filibuster in senate caucus
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 03:34 PM by blm
but then hundreds of activists flooded her phone lines and she claimed the next day she would support the filibuster. But she and Schumer already gave cover for those senators on the fence over Alito.

She and Schumer had their staff smear Kerry in the press for leading the filibuster, and questioned his motives publicly, though Kerry promised 3 years earlier he would filibuster any anti-choice nominee.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:30 AM
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164. She SPONSORED a bill to ban flag burning
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:23 AM
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170. Really! WTF.
And I thought nothing she did could shock me anymore. Thanks for that info.
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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:34 PM
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24. K&R
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:35 PM
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26. Point on, Post........K&R
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:38 PM
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29. Didn't she fight for SCHIP
after Bill Clinton fought against it (and she defended him for doing so)?

Also, she fought fairly hard in the run-up to the Iraq war. She stood right up to ...

(wait for it)

Code Pink and NOW.


Didn't she fight for NAFTA? I just read a link where her schedule shows she held a closed-door meeting where 250 women leaders were urged to lobby for NAFTA.

Didn't she fight to bring some Indian company to Buffalo?


During this campaign she's also been fighting pretty hard against the idea of raising the cap on Social Security taxes.

So it's unfair to pretend that she only stands up for herself.

Because she also stands up for people making over $105,000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7pw0cFRTLE
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:43 PM
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32. She stood up FOR Bush and McCain, too, when they were smearing Kerry in 2006, too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg


So, she's not COMPLETELY SELFISH.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:21 PM
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141. hey, i just posted that video you linked to
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:45 AM
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159. I love that video and have posted it several times
but never in the video forum. That was the first time, as an Edwards supporter I really had to applaud for Obama. My favorite part though was that he COULD have taken what he said right out of my journal. I wrote almost the same thing about a week earlier.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/65
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:44 PM
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33. to be fair: she fought for the continuance of the Iraq War,
its all in how you word it.

:)
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:48 PM
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34. Jan 1999, she fought for funding for epilepsy foundation for Axelrod's children
even though the Monica trial was beginning in the Senate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/magazine/01axelrod.t.html?ei=5124&en=c8e20f4144cbf908&ex=1332993600&partner=newsvine&exprod=newsvine&pagewanted=all

Today, as Axelrod basks in his profession’s highest glory — shaping a historical presidential campaign — he is experiencing one of its nastiest turns: in a tiny and ideologically promiscuous world, you often need to go to war with your friends. (If Obama hadn’t run, Axelrod says, he would have sat out this presidential race, and he says he told all of his other former clients that early on; he hasn’t had much interaction with them since.) There is Dodd, and there is Edwards, but perhaps most poignantly, there is Hillary Clinton. It’s a matter of epilepsy. David and Susan Axelrod have three children in their late teens and early 20s. Their eldest, Lauren, has developmental disabilities associated with chronic epileptic seizures and now lives in a group home in Chicago. But for years her illness required enough of her parents’ time that it kept Susan Axelrod out of the work force and kept David from moving to Little Rock during the 1992 presidential campaign. Susan and two other mothers of children with epilepsy started a foundation, Citizens United for Research in Epilepsy (CURE), which Susan runs, to promote research and raise funds for a cure. Because of David’s political work, they have had political celebrities do fund-raisers: Bill Clinton, Tim Russert, Obama. But few have done as much for the foundation as Hillary Clinton.

It was January 1999, President Clinton’s impeachment trial was just beginning in the Senate and Hillary Clinton was scheduled to speak at the foundation’s fund-raiser in Chicago. Despite all the fuss back in Washington, Clinton kept the appointment. She spent hours that day in the epilepsy ward at Rush Presbyterian hospital, visiting children hooked up to machines by electrodes so that doctors might diagram their seizure activity and decide which portion of the brain to remove. At the hospital, a local reporter pressed her about the trial in Washington, asked her about that woman. At the organization’s reception at the Drake Hotel that evening, Clinton stood backstage looking over her remarks, figuring out where to insert anecdotes about the kids. “She couldn’t stop talking about what she had seen,” Susan Axelrod recalled. Later, at Hillary Clinton’s behest, the National Institutes of Health convened a conference on finding a cure for epilepsy. Susan Axelrod told me it was “one of the most important things anyone has done for epilepsy.” And this is how politics works: David Axelrod is now dedicated to derailing this woman’s career.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:49 PM
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35. Wow, what a controversial position that was
:eyes:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:27 PM
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97. classic taylor mumbo jumbo but atleast the facts are straight if the logic isn't
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:06 PM
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43. Why did she have to FIGHT for that? And why did she support Bush if she wanted better healthcare
She and Bill stayed supportive of Bush and Bill did it VERY PUBLICLY from 2001-2006 - defending Bush on television, even against criticisms from the Dem nominee in 2004.

Why did Clintons backstab Kerry in 2003-4?

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Bill defending Bush for 3 weeks STRAIGHT during his summer2004 book tour?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Carville sabotaging Ohio Dem voters?
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Does anyone think Clintons wanted Gore and Kerry in office?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:15 PM
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45. I don't see a fight there
She spoke at a fundraiser. Who was she fighting against? The forces of apathy? As if that group would care enough to put up much of a fight.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:38 PM
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118. Oh, that's funny.
She chose to make a charity appearance rather than make a public display of standing by the man who PUBLICLY HUMILITATED HER BEFORE THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD.

I wonder how hard a choice THAT was.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:50 PM
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36. Twenty-six reasons to despise Hillary who is right, far right, on almost every crucial issue:
a GWB enabler all the way. God how I despise her for her every vote on these crucial issues which show Hillary has been a chief enabler of junior in his quest to shred the Constitution. :grr: :mad:
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:08 PM
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44. Hillary is Far Right?
Get thee some medication.

Her voting record is nearly identical to Obama's...for the short time he was a Senator. So I guess logically that would mean Obama is Far Right. Sometimes I can't believe the sh** I read on this forum.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:52 PM
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58. Thanks for making my case: anyone aiding and abetting in these 26 instances is an enemy of the
people, this Republic, and our Constitution. 'nuf said. :D
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vinylsolution Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:56 PM
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38. Hillary is fighting hard...
... for a McCain victory in November.

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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:58 PM
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39. Not that you will read it.
Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can...

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly and the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically.

She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House :

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<124> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<125> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<43> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<43> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<43> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<43> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<126> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<127> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<128> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<129> and Philanthropy (1999).<130>

Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

More:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/israe...
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/darfu...

The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE:

Her historic speech at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 not only galvanized women around the world, it helped spawn a movement that led to advances politically, legally, economically, and socially for women in many countries over the next decade. Among other initiatives, she spearheaded the Clinton Administration's efforts to combat the global crisis of human trafficking. She persuaded the First Ladies of the Americas to use their collective power to eradicate measles and improve girls' education throughout the western Hemisphere. And she is widely credited with helping women in Kuwait finally win the right to vote.

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years. She has traveled to more than 80 countries, going from barrios to rural villages to meetings with heads of state. She has consulted with dozens of world leaders - Nelson Mandela, King Abdullah, Tony Blair among them -- on matters as diverse as America and NATO's roles in Kosovo, eradicating poverty in the Third World, and the plight of women living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Today, she is one of the most influential voices in the world on human rights, democracy, and the promotion of a "new internationalism" in foreign affairs that calls for a balanced use of military force, diplomacy, and social development to strengthen American interests and security globally.

While American First Ladies historically have made great (and often overlooked) contributions to our nation, Hillary Clinton's wide-ranging experience on international issues as First Lady is unprecedented. Indeed, she is the only First Lady to have delivered foreign policy addresses at major gatherings of the United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Economic Forum.

Hillary Clinton has been fighting for the rights of children for special needs for decades. In her first job out of law school working for the Children's Defense Fund, she conducted research that led to Congress passing the Education for All Handicapped Children Act of 1975, the landmark bill mandating that all children with disabilities be educated in the public school system. later, she helped improve the education of children with special needs by working to reauthorize the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act. In 2005, she sponsored an amendment to increase funding for the act by $4 billion dollars. She also cosponsored the Personal Excellence for Children with Disabilities Act, a bill that promised to help schools recruit and retain new special education teachers, and better prepare general education teachers and staff to work with children with special needs.

Most recently, she has called for greatly expanded funding to the National Institute for Health to investigate treatments for children with disabilities. And she has put forth a comprehensive and detailed plan to help children and families affected by autism, with numerous elements that correspond very closely to what families in the autism community have been demanding for years.

some points on her legal career:

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.


Education

Wellesley College where she majored in political science.
Yale Law School, where she served on the Board of Editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.

Political Activist Experience

Pragmatic Liberal

Always fascinated by radicalism, she wrote her senior thesis on a great radical organizer of poor people, Saul Alinsky of Chicago. Though when she was offered a job by Alinsky, after she wrote about him, and she turned him down--because she didn't think he was effective enough. She said to her boyfriend at that timebe in politics you have to win. And it didn't look to her like Alinsky was winning enough of his battles. She came to question his methodology and concluded in her thesis that larger government programs and funding were needed, not just community action at the grass roots.

She was the commencement speaker at Wellesley in 1969, chosen by her fellow students--there had never been a student commencement speaker there before. The scheduled speaker was Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, who Hillary had campaigned for, a Republican, the first black to be a member of the U.S. Senate in a hundred years. In his remarks he was patronizing, Hillary thought. He seemed to defend the Nixon administration's conduct of the war, and didn't mention the wrenching events of 68. When he finished, Hillary got up and extemporaneously excoriated him. As a result of that speech, she was featured in Life magazine as exemplary of this new generation of student leaders. They ran a picture of her in pedal pushers and her Coke-bottle glasses. That article made her well known in the student movement in the U.S.

She monitored the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU.

1971 Senator Walter Mondale's subcommittee on migrant workers, researching migrant problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.

Political Campaign Experience

1964 In high school, volunteered for Republican candidate Barry Goldwater.
1968 New Hampshire, Eugene McCarthy primary challenge to LBJ.
1972 Campaigned in the western states for 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern
1976 Jimmy Carter Presidential race, served as an Indiana campaign coordinator.

The Clinton Campaigns (Bill Clinton has stated Hillary played pivotal roles in his campaigns)

1974 Bill Clinton's Congressional race (L)
1976 Bill Clinton's Attorney General race (W)
1978 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1980 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (L)
1982 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1992 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
1996 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
2000 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)
2006 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)

Legal Experience

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Rose Law Firm. In 1979, she became the first woman to be made a full partner.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.

She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.

First Lady of Arkansas

1979 Chaired the Rural Health Advisory Committee
1979 Introduced the Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
1982 - 1992 Chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee

She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

Clinton had co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977.

Served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988-1992)and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986-1992)

Corporate board of directors of TCBY (1985-1992),Wal-Mart Stores (1986-1992), and Lafarge (1990-1992)

First Lady of the United States of America

"She's very smart ... people rightly give her credit for having been a participant in the Clinton administration and for doing some heavy lifting on issues." Barack Obama, speaking of Hillary Clinton's White House experience and contradicting Obama supporters - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart 8/22/07



When asked about his wife's role in his administration in August of 2000, President Bill Clinton said "She basically had an unprecedented level of activity in her present position over the last eight years.''

1993 First to bring a serious universal healthcare plan to be considered by the US Congress
1997 Helped develop the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997

The First Lady led the effor on the Foster Care Independence bill, to help older, unadopted children transition to adulthood. She also hosted numerous White House conferences that related to children's health, including early childhood development (1997) and school violence (1999). She lent her support to programs ranging from "Prescription for Reading," in which pediatricians provided free books for new mothers to read to their infants as their brains were rapidly developing, to nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses. She also supported an annual drive to encourage older women to seek a mammography to prevent breast cancer, coverage of the cost being provided by Medicare.

Hillary Clinton was the only First Lady to keep an office in the West Wing among those of the president's senior staff. While her familiarity with the intricate political issues and decisions faced by the President, she openly discussed his work with him, yet stated that ultimately she was but one of several individuals he consulted before making a decision. They were known to disagree. Regarding his 1993 passage of welfare reform, the First Lady had reservations about federally supported childcare and Medicaid. When issues that she was working on were under discussion at the morning senior staff meetings, the First Lady often attended. Aides kept her informed of all pending legislation and oftentimes sought her reaction to issues as a way of gauging the President's potential response. Weighing in on his Cabinet appointments and knowing many of the individuals he named, she had working relationships with many of them.

She persuaded Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin to convene a meeting of corporate CEOs for their advice on how companies could be persuaded to adopt better child care measures for working families.

With Attorney General Janet Reno, the First Lady helped to create the Department of Justice's Violence Against Women office. One of her closest Cabinet allies was Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. Following her international trips, Hillary Clinton wrote a report of her observations for Albright. A primary effort they shared was globally advocating gender equity in economics, employment, health care and education.

During her trips to Africa (1997), Asia (1995), South America (1995, 1997) and the Central European former Soviet satellite nations (1997, 1998), Hillary Clinton emphasized "a civil society," of human rights as a road to democracy and capitalism.

The First Lady was also one of the few international figures at the time who spoke out against the treatment of Afghani women by Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.

One of the programs she helped create was Vital Voices, a U.S.-sponsored initiative to promote the participation of international women in their nation's political process. One result of the group's meetings, in Northern Ireland, was drawing together women leaders of various political factions that supported the Good Friday peace agreement that brought peace to that nation long at civil war.

Hillary Clinton was also an active supporter of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), often awarding its micro-loans to small enterprises begun by women in developing nations that aided the economic growth in their impoverished communities. Certainly one of her more important speeches as First Lady addressing the need for equal rights for women was international in scope and created controversy in the nation where it was made: the September 1995 United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, China.

Senator From New York

After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.

She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.

She has championed legislation to bring broadband Internet access to rural America.

She worked to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which increased coverage for children in low income and working families.

She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.

She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.

She's working for expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

She's worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, and her legislation to help schools address environmental hazards. She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.

Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning. Her fight with the Bush Administration ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

Senate Armed Services Committee

Subcommittees:

* Airland
* Emerging Threats and Capabilities
* Readiness and Management Support

Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works

Subcommittees:

* Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health (Chair)
* Subcommittee Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
* Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure

Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions

Subcommittees:

* Children and Families
* Employment & Workplace Safety
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:02 PM
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41. Timidity you can Xerox
That cut-and-paste job has been posted here a number of times, and I have no more intention of reading it than you do. Sitting on a subcommittee is not exactly a "fight".

Tell you what: why don't you dust off your critical thinking and reading comprehension skills and edit that down to something that is actually worth reading and speaks to the issue at hand. Then we'll talk.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:32 PM
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51. supporting is not the same as "fighting for"
That long list of 100% only means that she voted right instead of wrong on whatever 12 or 20 bills they evaluate for their list. People could make the same case for Lieberman before 2006 as well, but in spite of high scores, he was hardly a progressive warrior.

Evidence that she fought for something would mean that she actively participated in an effort, beyond simple voting, to stop bad legislation or promote good legislation. Like the story told on Kos about some environmental group that asked for her help, didn't get it, but then saw a video where she claimed partial credit for the eventual victory as if she had been fighting all along.

And this is way over-stated

"She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance."

She was instrumental in designing it? The legislation was written by Kennedy and modeled on the state of Massachusetts program. She was asked to lobby for it, and did, but then President Clinton made phone calls to kill it because it might hurt the balanced budget. This at the same time he was proposing tax cuts aimed at the wealthy. :crazy: Hillary defended Bill on that too, although she later helped again to lobby for its passage. But instrumental in designing? That's flat untrue.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:08 PM
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64. "Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign..."
I wouldn't call that an "achievement." Not when the interests of the Brady Campaign cost the Democrats control of the House and Senate in 1994.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:24 AM
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189. OK, so "fighting" for what you believe is right
is only worth it if the win comes at no cost? :shrug:

The Brady law has been a HUGE asset to this country!
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:48 PM
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214. If you mean the "Brady Handgun Control Act," we can talk about that...
...but the Federal ban on semi-automatic firearms, also championed by the Brady Campaign (then HCI), cost the Democrats control of Congress in 1994. Neither the ban nor the loss of Congress has been of benefit to our nation.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:30 PM
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217. I guess we will have to agree to disagree..
I do not think anyone needs easy (or for that matter) ANY access to semi-automatic weapons.
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FedoraLV Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:24 PM
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69. These points
are vague on just what she did and what results she achieved -- I 'support' a lot of things, too ... it's easy to be in favor of an idea, it's hard to put sweat and money behind that opinion. Do her deeds as a senator match the vehemence of her rhetoric? What bills did she author, sponsor, and vote for that made a significant change for the people affected by each of those issues she 'supported'?

(See the Young Turks clip on her legislative record -- she did a lot of commending and honoring with the bills she authored. Sweet, but not exactly the proactive, issue-solving work I expected from her record the way she talks on the campaign trail.)

Now that you've cut and pasted from her campaign site, could you kindly respond to the OP's post? What was Sen. Clinton doing during each of those junctures that prevented her from supporting the best interests her constituents, her party, and her nation?

(If you respond by denegrating Obama or making a joke you are avoiding the OP's points.)

-FedoraLV
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:36 PM
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105. About Wellesley College: you forgot "President of Wellesley College Young Republicans"
Since we're just getting the facts in line.
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:54 PM
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129. Also forgot about Edward Brooke
He was the only non-white member of the Senate at the time. He gave a somewhat mild talk at Wellesley. Hillary Clinton got up and excoriated him. And then she got her picture in LIFE magazine.

Gee, does that seem somehow different from her behavior today?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:42 PM
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119. You could have saved yourself a lot of trouble by just giving the link
to her web site, instead of cut & paste all this FROM her web site (a fair and balanced, impartial source, I'm sure).
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:09 AM
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156. Yawn....
She is just another Kay Bailey Hutchison. Sitting on a fence. Dangling the legs on one side of the fence, then the other. Always wearing two hats. She supports many things. Particularly when she knows they won't pass. Looks good to the Democrats. And her masters smile at the deception. They had to put Bill Clinton in chains. They just offer a doggie treat to Hillary Clinton. She is, as is Kay Bailey Hutchison, one of the Bush lap dogs. Sitting in the lap. Waiting for the doggie treat. Usually in the form of a big fat check to Bill Clinton. A speech here, a speech there. And the wonderful world of the Persian Gulf and its unlimited supply of lucrative influence peddling. So who cares, some say. Until you look at her votes for cloture on Bush nominees. Until you look at so many things.

Our courts are our last defense of the Constitution. That she did NOTHING to protect our judicial branch from the agenda of this administration says all that needs to be said.

She supports the agenda of the Bushes. Truth is truth. All the "scorecards" in the world will not change the reality of her allowing cloture on nominees of this evil administration to our judicial branch. You can twist and turn everythign else. But not her votes for cloture. Hers or anyone else's. The Democrats were the last defense of the American people. And she defended her own self-interest instead.

I cannot tolerate Hillary Clinton supporters any more. It makes me ill to think anyone at this point would even consider supporting her.

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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:48 PM
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209. I read through some of this - thanks for posting it
from an Obama supporter. I've also recent read the Bernstein biography about HRC, _A Woman in Charge._ I'm open to persuasion and I think it's great when supporters give their version of what issues lead them to their candidate.

So I appreciate your posting of information that can help enrich my perspective. Even though I am not a supporter of HRC at this point, I will continue to educate myself about her record. I hope you and all others will do the same with Obama as well as Clinton.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:01 PM
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40. AHAHAHAHA
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*chortle*
*snicker*
*snurk*
Heh... chuckle...
...ummmm...

What? 10 seconds left on the clock?!!

A-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
WHEEE-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Hee-hee. Ha-ha.
Ummmm...eh... Ha. Hoo. Heh. Ho.

Ha.

/end Hillary mode.
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:15 PM
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46. jgraz, will you be my best friend?
Once again, you've put into words exactly what I've been thinking.

I would support HRC in a second if I thought she would fight as hard for *us* as she is fighting for *herself*.

Have no doubt, if she is the nominee (snicker, snicker, okay I can't say that with a straight face), I will vote with her ... but it'll be with one hand, as the other will be holding my nose.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:20 PM
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47. You're right.
Hillary is pure evil personified. Obama is God personified. :sarcasm:

And on it goes endlessly.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:25 PM
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49. Don't let the facts hit you in the ass on the way out.
:hi:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:41 PM
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54. she is being painted as a 'fighter' because she refuses to concede the nomination
and let the party concentrate on winning the White House. But this fighter image does not fit the reality of either the Clinton Presidency nor her term in the Senate. Obama does not have to be "God personified" to be a better fighter for progressive causes than Hillary. Right now she just seems to be fighting against the Democratic nominee.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:49 PM
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57. Obama has not won the nomination.
Therefore Obama is not the candidate. I know you probably consider that a minor detail, unfortunately for you others do not.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:05 PM
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62. there is, however, a very good chance he will be
So for another supposed Democrat to go all over Pennsylvania calling him an elitist, is not likely to help us in the fall. On the other hand, for her to acheive a victory that way is also not likely to help us in the fall. It looks like a lose-lose to me, which is why Olberman and others have called it a suicide pact rather than a campaign.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:24 PM
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68. You may be right.
Then again you could be wrong. What Obama has called her won't help in the general election either. Splinter meet log. Till he actually wins the nomination she can say just about anything she wants to.

I've said it before. This election has made it obvious that we need to change our primary process before the next election. However till then, we have to play by the rules and the rules say that Hillary is still in the race and voters in Pennsylvania and elsewhere can still have a choice about who to vote for. I was angry when Edwards was forced out. Fortunately for me, he was still on the ballot and I was able to cast my vote for my choice. The primary should exist to give everyone a chance to cast their ballot for the person they want to see, not the person they have to settle for. The "settle for" vote should be a general election vote only.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:31 AM
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153. fightin for the GOP
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:44 PM
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79. I agree totally with your post (except for the little red sign thing).
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:26 PM
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50. Chelsea Clinton?
:shrug:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:15 PM
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94. You mean with the David Shuster thing?
That was totally about Hillary 'pimping out' her victim status to boost her campaign.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:40 PM
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52. Great Post
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:45 PM
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55. I thought you'd never ask...
Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly and the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically.

She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House :

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<124> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<125> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<43> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<43> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<43> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<43> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<126> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<127> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<128> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<129> and Philanthropy (1999).<130>

Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

More:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/israel/index.cfm
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/darfur

The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE:

Her historic speech at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 not only galvanized women around the world, it helped spawn a movement that led to advances politically, legally, economically, and socially for women in many countries over the next decade. Among other initiatives, she spearheaded the Clinton Administration's efforts to combat the global crisis of human trafficking. She persuaded the First Ladies of the Americas to use their collective power to eradicate measles and improve girls' education throughout the western Hemisphere. And she is widely credited with helping women in Kuwait finally win the right to vote.

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years. She has traveled to more than 80 countries, going from barrios to rural villages to meetings with heads of state. She has consulted with dozens of world leaders - Nelson Mandela, King Abdullah, Tony Blair among them -- on matters as diverse as America and NATO's roles in Kosovo, eradicating poverty in the Third World, and the plight of women living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Today, she is one of the most influential voices in the world on human rights, democracy, and the promotion of a "new internationalism" in foreign affairs that calls for a balanced use of military force, diplomacy, and social development to strengthen American interests and security globally.

While American First Ladies historically have made great (and often overlooked) contributions to our nation, Hillary Clinton's wide-ranging experience on international issues as First Lady is unprecedented. Indeed, she is the only First Lady to have delivered foreign policy addresses at major gatherings of the United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Economic Forum.

Hillary Clinton has been fighting for the rights of children for special needs for decades. In her first job out of law school working for the Children's Defense Fund, she conducted research that led to Congress passing the Education for All Handicapped Children Act of 1975, the landmark bill mandating that all children with disabilities be educated in the public school system. later, she helped improve the education of children with special needs by working to reauthorize the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act. In 2005, she sponsored an amendment to increase funding for the act by $4 billion dollars. She also cosponsored the Personal Excellence for Children with Disabilities Act, a bill that promised to help schools recruit and retain new special education teachers, and better prepare general education teachers and staff to work with children with special needs.

Most recently, she has called for greatly expanded funding to the National Institute for Health to investigate treatments for children with disabilities. And she has put forth a comprehensive and detailed plan to help children and families affected by autism, with numerous elements that correspond very closely to what families in the autism community have been demanding for years.

some points on her legal career:

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.


Education

Wellesley College where she majored in political science.
Yale Law School, where she served on the Board of Editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.

Political Activist Experience

Pragmatic Liberal

Always fascinated by radicalism, she wrote her senior thesis on a great radical organizer of poor people, Saul Alinsky of Chicago. Though when she was offered a job by Alinsky, after she wrote about him, and she turned him down--because she didn't think he was effective enough. She said to her boyfriend at that timebe in politics you have to win. And it didn't look to her like Alinsky was winning enough of his battles. She came to question his methodology and concluded in her thesis that larger government programs and funding were needed, not just community action at the grass roots.

She was the commencement speaker at Wellesley in 1969, chosen by her fellow students--there had never been a student commencement speaker there before. The scheduled speaker was Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, who Hillary had campaigned for, a Republican, the first black to be a member of the U.S. Senate in a hundred years. In his remarks he was patronizing, Hillary thought. He seemed to defend the Nixon administration's conduct of the war, and didn't mention the wrenching events of 68. When he finished, Hillary got up and extemporaneously excoriated him. As a result of that speech, she was featured in Life magazine as exemplary of this new generation of student leaders. They ran a picture of her in pedal pushers and her Coke-bottle glasses. That article made her well known in the student movement in the U.S.

She monitored the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU.

1971 Senator Walter Mondale's subcommittee on migrant workers, researching migrant problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.

Political Campaign Experience

1964 In high school, volunteered for Republican candidate Barry Goldwater.
1968 New Hampshire, Eugene McCarthy primary challenge to LBJ.
1972 Campaigned in the western states for 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern
1976 Jimmy Carter Presidential race, served as an Indiana campaign coordinator.

The Clinton Campaigns (Bill Clinton has stated Hillary played pivotal roles in his campaigns)

1974 Bill Clinton's Congressional race (L)
1976 Bill Clinton's Attorney General race (W)
1978 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1980 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (L)
1982 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1992 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
1996 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
2000 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)
2006 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)

Legal Experience

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Rose Law Firm. In 1979, she became the first woman to be made a full partner.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.

She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.

First Lady of Arkansas

1979 Chaired the Rural Health Advisory Committee
1979 Introduced the Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
1982 - 1992 Chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee

She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

Clinton had co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977.

Served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988-1992)and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986-1992)

Corporate board of directors of TCBY (1985-1992),Wal-Mart Stores (1986-1992), and Lafarge (1990-1992)

First Lady of the United States of America

"She's very smart ... people rightly give her credit for having been a participant in the Clinton administration and for doing some heavy lifting on issues." Barack Obama, speaking of Hillary Clinton's White House experience and contradicting Obama supporters - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart 8/22/07



When asked about his wife's role in his administration in August of 2000, President Bill Clinton said "She basically had an unprecedented level of activity in her present position over the last eight years.''

1993 First to bring a serious universal healthcare plan to be considered by the US Congress
1997 Helped develop the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997

The First Lady led the effor on the Foster Care Independence bill, to help older, unadopted children transition to adulthood. She also hosted numerous White House conferences that related to children's health, including early childhood development (1997) and school violence (1999). She lent her support to programs ranging from "Prescription for Reading," in which pediatricians provided free books for new mothers to read to their infants as their brains were rapidly developing, to nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses. She also supported an annual drive to encourage older women to seek a mammography to prevent breast cancer, coverage of the cost being provided by Medicare.

Hillary Clinton was the only First Lady to keep an office in the West Wing among those of the president's senior staff. While her familiarity with the intricate political issues and decisions faced by the President, she openly discussed his work with him, yet stated that ultimately she was but one of several individuals he consulted before making a decision. They were known to disagree. Regarding his 1993 passage of welfare reform, the First Lady had reservations about federally supported childcare and Medicaid. When issues that she was working on were under discussion at the morning senior staff meetings, the First Lady often attended. Aides kept her informed of all pending legislation and oftentimes sought her reaction to issues as a way of gauging the President's potential response. Weighing in on his Cabinet appointments and knowing many of the individuals he named, she had working relationships with many of them.

She persuaded Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin to convene a meeting of corporate CEOs for their advice on how companies could be persuaded to adopt better child care measures for working families.

With Attorney General Janet Reno, the First Lady helped to create the Department of Justice's Violence Against Women office. One of her closest Cabinet allies was Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. Following her international trips, Hillary Clinton wrote a report of her observations for Albright. A primary effort they shared was globally advocating gender equity in economics, employment, health care and education.

During her trips to Africa (1997), Asia (1995), South America (1995, 1997) and the Central European former Soviet satellite nations (1997, 1998), Hillary Clinton emphasized "a civil society," of human rights as a road to democracy and capitalism.

The First Lady was also one of the few international figures at the time who spoke out against the treatment of Afghani women by Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.

One of the programs she helped create was Vital Voices, a U.S.-sponsored initiative to promote the participation of international women in their nation's political process. One result of the group's meetings, in Northern Ireland, was drawing together women leaders of various political factions that supported the Good Friday peace agreement that brought peace to that nation long at civil war.

Hillary Clinton was also an active supporter of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), often awarding its micro-loans to small enterprises begun by women in developing nations that aided the economic growth in their impoverished communities. Certainly one of her more important speeches as First Lady addressing the need for equal rights for women was international in scope and created controversy in the nation where it was made: the September 1995 United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, China.

Senator From New York

After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.

She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.

She has championed legislation to bring broadband Internet access to rural America.

She worked to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which increased coverage for children in low income and working families.

She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.

She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.

She's working for expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

She's worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, and her legislation to help schools address environmental hazards. She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.

Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning. Her fight with the Bush Administration ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

Senate Armed Services Committee

Subcommittees:

* Airland
* Emerging Threats and Capabilities
* Readiness and Management Support

Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works

Subcommittees:

* Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health (Chair)
* Subcommittee Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
* Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure

Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions

Subcommittees:

* Children and Families
* Employment & Workplace Safety
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katerinasmommy Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:57 PM
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59. Newbie
You know I'm brand new here but I gotta tell you. Reposting such a long post is really annoying and makes your candidate look like she has sorta nutty supporters. By the way, Senator Clinton, love the suit.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:54 PM
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106. Good one. Welcome to DU, katerinasmommy! n/t
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:26 PM
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144. no shit. welcome to du.
come into general discussion forum soon--it's less dangerous.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:26 AM
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161. Since you're annoyed by real accomplishments, you'd better stick with Obama.
:eyes:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:40 PM
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219. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:05 PM
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63. All that "fighting" and yet the economy and foreign policy is still in the dumps.
Maybe the OP is trying to say that for all the "fighting" she claims to have done, he doesnt feel any of the benefits?

That is certainly how I feel. To be fair, I dont feel like many Democrats of any kind have been fighting very hard and getting results. But yeah- we agree that she gets it right more than half of the time.

This applies to any DEM, not just Hillary- a long laundry lists of things a DEM supported at one time or another does not change the current state of affairs.

Considering the current state of affairs, I cant see Hillary as someone who fought (and won) for me.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:30 PM
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71. Oh, STOP IT with the facts, already!
Don't you realize that "Obama was sent by God for us at just the right time when we needed him most!"
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:24 PM
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143. what the fuck? is this her whole fucking website???
give me the cliff notes cause i ain't reading all that shit
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:30 AM
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162. A mountain of accomplishment and you can't deal with it. Stay with Obama
"ignorance is bliss".
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shagsak Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:27 AM
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191. making my scroll bar work hard
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:49 PM
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56. kr
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:59 PM
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60. Also, her supporters dont realize that the meida will NOT let her use Rove's tactics on McCain.
Many folks see her use of race-baiting "patriotism" and "elitism" as proof that she can fight McCain- what they dont recognize is that ends if she is against McCain-

The media will not allow any use of these Rovian tactics- all the BS they let her get away with now will be scrutinized and will branded as negative and dishonest.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:02 PM
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61. I will give her this:
she fought for her marriage.

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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:47 PM
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82. Ya think? I think she fought for 'payback' from Bill, politically speaking - which, once again,
is a case of Hillary fighting for herself and her own interests.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:54 PM
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122. Actually, I think she has the WH security tapes and is blackmailing
him for his support - otherwise she'll use them in the divorce which will take every cent he has and finish off his reputation.

But he's getting his own by supporting her with such brilliant tactics as marginalizing Obama as the 'black candidate'. He's way too savvy to have not known how that would come across.
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LibGranny Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:13 PM
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117. I think he "promised" to make her president
if she stayed with him and it fit with her career goals. She's very ambitious, aggressive and I can't see her putting up with his crap all those years without some kind of payback. My theory also jibes with ol Slick Willy appearing wherever (before she declared herself a candidate) and playing coy about her running. He knew she was gonna run and he knew what their diabolical plan was. A win at any cost - destroy the party just so she can be pres. Just sayin
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:21 PM
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67. It is ALL about money, power, and ego. K & R
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:27 PM
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70. Wow, those are a list of Obama's votes
Along with a slew of 'Present's in the Statehouse and 'Not Present's in the Senate.

And of course, he would have voted 'Yes' on the IWR too, as he did to extend the war many times.

Obama is the candidate of naked ambition.
With one difference: he hasn't earned it but thinks he deserves it.

Hillary has earned her shot over decades of fighting the good fight.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:32 PM
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74. K & R
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:37 PM
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75. How did Obama vote on those issues? well, the ones during his time in the senate
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 05:38 PM by Beaverhausen
I'd really like to know.

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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:38 PM
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76. Why didn't she "fight" for Kerry when the right wing went after him
for his joke? She's a selfish, opportunistic #%$!Q
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:45 PM
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80. Why didn't Kerry fight for Bill when the right wing went after him?
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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:00 PM
Original message
This thread is about Hillary, but why didn't Bill resign when he was caught lying
under oath and lost his moral leadership of the country
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:07 PM
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91. previous poster brought Kerry into it.
Right. Since "moral leadership is so important to you, how do you like the more "moral" leadership that Bush has provided? When I vote I'm looking for someone who knows something about the economy, foreign affairs, etc. All things considered, I don't care about the President's sex life, moral or immoral.
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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:47 PM
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127. First we're talking about DEMOCRATS if you can confine yourself to the topic
I don't particularly care about someones sex life either and I care about all the things you mention.
I am simply pointing out why the Democrats lost the Whitehouse 2000, and it had everything to do
with the people of this country being treated to a bad soap opera on the nightly news by a guy who
lowered the integrity of the office of POTUS.
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 10:01 PM
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131. We lost not only the White House
But also the House of Representatives, the Senate, many governorships, and state legislatures. And who knows how many Sheriffs and County Commissioners running in conservative districts. How did you start a speech with "I'm proud to be a Democrat", with Bill Clinton's blue dress hanging around your neck?
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 10:23 PM
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132. For starters, Monica's dress is not nor was it ever
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 10:28 PM by cornermouse
"hanging around" my neck. Based on what you've written, we should be ashamed that Kennedy was president however I'm not.

I don't care about whether they're cheating on their wife. That's private and none of my concern as long as he/she is doing a good job of running the country. I continue to be amazed at the number of people on DU who seem to think that Clinton's affair was somehow worse than anything Bush has done.
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 10:39 PM
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133. Clinton's Affair Gave Us Bush
And what was worse, he lied to the whole country...on TV And to all his staff and his Cabinet for how long? Maybe for you it's okay for a President to treat us all as if we were stupid. But I have trouble with that.
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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:53 AM
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154. Boy, you either have an agenda you're defending or you have a hard time reading
Kennedy, during his lifetime, never committed perjury under oath as President. I'm not debating the subject Bill lied about, I'm talking only of the action
of lying under oath as POTUS. Getting caught in a lie as POTUS and acting as if it doesn't matter cedes any moral imperative, and makes a mockery of
the concept of a nation of laws, since there is no consequence to the lie
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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:58 AM
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155. and consequently diminishes the ability to govern, since one obviously thinks
that lying under oath is acceptable sometimes. Therefore by extension, there are probably other laws that can be broken
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:42 PM
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147. Why didn't the republican inquisitors resign when they wasted 50 million dollars
to uncover a blow job?

MORAL AUTHORITY?? HENRY FUCKING HYDE WAS THE CHIEF INQUISITOR AND YOU THINK CLINTON SHOULD HAVE RESIGNED??

Go back to freeperland, dumbass.
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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:58 AM
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157. Calling me names, which are inaccurate, does not refute my point. It's also why
I prefer Obama.... ETHICS, ethic reforms, principles. If one does not take responsibility for ones actions, one is a victim. Bill Clinton was not a victim, but he did not take responsibility for his actions
that is the only point I'm trying to make. You can argue that they shouldn't have spent 50 mil looking for it, and I'd agree with you, and I was with Bill until they caught him red handed in a lie. Even
Nixon resigned in the face of his lies
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:51 AM
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172. Nixon resigned when he was caught covering up serious CRIMES.
Clinton lied about a blow job.

By equating the two, you have reinforced my already low opinion of you.

I prefer Obama too but I'm not stupid enough to say that Bill Clinton should have resigned or compare him to Nixon.

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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:03 AM
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186. Either you don't read, or don't consider lying under oath a serious crime
I disagree with your POV, and you disagree with mine. It has nothing to do with politics or blow jobs, it's about belief, and values. I think to a certain % of voters that lying under oath is a serious crime. It obviously was serious enough for him to get impeached, and even though not convicted and removed, it seriously damaged him, and the democratic party. It was a problem entirely of his own making, and he handled it very poorly. It also reflects on
the issues voters have trouble with Hillary on, a sense of entitlement, of being above the law, and honesty.
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shagsak Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:37 AM
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195. however
a lie is a lie is a lie. By your standards, little white lies under oath are OK for the POTUS. What about me? Do I then get to lie to the judge under oath to get myself out of trouble with no repercussions?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:05 PM
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139. Kerry defended him on opening Vietnam Relations, on Lewinsky on draft ddoging
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:41 PM
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77. Wait a dang minute!!!
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 05:47 PM by merh
She fought for the female employees at WalMart, so they would know equal protection under the law and would have the same benefits and chances for better pay as their male counterpoints and a shot at those positions in management!!!

Oh and she fought for child care for them ...

Oh and the better health care and paternity leave and such, she fought for that too ....




Ermmm, on second thought, no, no she didn't, did she.


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:42 PM
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78. hilary is smearmongering, negative
liar who is treading bilge water.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:46 PM
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81. There you go again, resorting to nothing but the facts.
Get a grip, will ya??
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:57 PM
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86. Sorry, if it's not the facts, it's the math
What is it with me??
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:31 PM
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100. Blasphemy, if you're askin' me!! What about the rumors, innuendo and outright lies
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 06:32 PM by hisownpetard
that the MSM currently depends on to interpret who's who and what's what?

Have you been in a cave, gathering all your little facts and adding up the total number delegates on your rusty abacus?
Well, listen, buddy - we don't do that anymore.

This is America!!
(Haven't you heard?)


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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:48 PM
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83. She fought to castigate the women of Bill's bimbo eruptions!
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:50 PM
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84. she fought for Barack as VP...
as others are seemingly fighting for him as Secretary of State...lol

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dogindia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:59 PM
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88. she says she will fight to obliterate Iran
rock on HIll
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:00 PM
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89. She probably fought for her clients as a corporate lawyer
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:01 PM
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90. Unfair...she spent much of her life fighting for Hillary Rodham, too
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:07 PM
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92. She is my senator.
For all the reasons stated in the OP, I am a Barak Obama supporter. I wrote to her on every one of the issues listed and all I ever got was a form letter that boiled down to "I'll vote how I want to vote no matter what you say." She didn't hold a grudge, though. She asks me for donations several times a day. GObama! :kick:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:10 PM
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93. K&R
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:18 PM
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95. K&R
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:22 PM
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96. A-frickin-men!
:patriot: :applause:
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:28 PM
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98. I have felt that way from the beginning. The coronation attitude.
Right from the start, it was "I will do this FOR you." I don't see her as genuine.

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:07 PM
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110. An upper income prinscess married to a prince
Who now expects to be handed her own titled royalty by her "followers"
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:28 PM
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99. right on
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:32 PM
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101. She fought to help WalMart buy shit from China
funny how that one worked.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:36 PM
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104. She's fighting hard to end progressivism and turn us all into repugs. eom
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:04 PM
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108. Obama is the real fighter
He is getting it from both Hillary and Mccain and is still standing and closing the gaps that Hillary had... So wrap your head around that.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:57 PM
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107. Thank you for this superb post! I've rec'ed it, of course. Then I read the entire thread.
It's apparent to me, as someone who rarely makes a foray into GD-P, that a lot of Hillary supporters seem to be relying on some form of, "Well, YOU guys are such idiots that you think Obama is GOD!!!11!" as the standard rebuttal to the points being made. Without actually, you know, addressing the arguments that have been presented.

I prefer Obama strictly by default. His greatest asset to me is the fact that he's not Hillary Clinton. I also seeing him as having another asset as well: all the young people and new voters he's attracted.

I also think "progressives" who think Obama is going to be their new champion ARE, in fact, deluded -- but with a big "but".

The "big but" (yes, I know -- if I were really cool I'd imbed some audio/video file here with the classic hit, "I Love Big Butts". Please provide it in your own imagination, as I do not have the means to do so.), is the fact that there a lot of people who perceive themselves as being part of a "movement".

This could be a very good thing, if alert and intelligent leftists have the energy and stragetic savvy to take advantage of it, and thus form an effective force for pressuring Obama into moving left.

Since Obama is nowhere NEAR as entangled in the DC Power Structure (which is NOT to say that he isn't at least partly entangled -- else, he would not have made it this far) as is Clinton -- this is another good reason to wish for an Obama victory. The wall that keeps the People out is not quite as solid.

In any case; what's really happening is a pretty serious power struggle within the power structure of the Democratic party. It's the struggle between the DLC corporate branch and those who are outside it. For this reason alone any true progressive MUST oppose HRC.

If Obama is our only means of doing so, then Obama it is, for me.

But not because I think he's a "Messiah". Only because I'm hoping that the masses of people who've gotten all excited him about will keep paying attention and raise holy hell when he starts betraying them (as he will no doubt do).

sw

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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:49 AM
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171. Feingold, Durbin and Leahy back him...
that's good enough for me.
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usrbs Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:28 AM
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176. I was paying attention to Edwards, Clinton, Gore, and Obama during those years
which was why my first choice was Gore, because as far as I could see, he was the only one who showed leadership.

I was very disapointed in both HRC and BO, and I think in one case (one of the judges, I'm not going to look it up), BO actually was worse in that he lectured the activists.

HRC at least did fight the Pentagon, did fight for 9/11 first responders.

Since I couldn't choose on anti-Bush leadership, I chose based on other factors.

To claim that BO is better in this is wrong. He doesn't deserve the progressive embrace he's been given, and if he does become President, going by the little record he has, I'm very doubtful he'll do well, although I'm fully confident he'll be very much better than the disaster that's there now, and better than McCain too, of course.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:35 PM
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111. Did she vote to accept the 2004 election results? can't remember What
about Condi - did she vote yes on her?


She did fight to keep Paula Jones from suing, right?
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:35 PM
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112. send this to Obama campaign !!
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:39 PM
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115. That is the central issue. She had her chance to lead, she sucked ass.
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LibGranny Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:06 PM
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116. Please post this at Indystar.com
so the good people of Indiana can see what a "fighter" HRC is. Great post BTW.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:44 PM
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120. Yeah! K and R
:kick:


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jconner27 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:55 PM
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123. When it counts
What has Obama fought for???
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masshole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:49 PM
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128. k&r
26 out of 26. 100% accurate.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:56 PM
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130. You are incorrect on several of these!
I'm not sure where you're getting your facts, but you've misstated several of Hillary Clinton's votes:

Where was her "fight" during the Senate confirmation of John Ashcroft?

Hillary voted AGAINST Ashcroft.

Where was her "fight" during the Senate confirmation of Alberto Gonzales?

Hillary voted AGAINST Gonzales.

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR cloture on the nomination of corrupt corporatist Priscilla Owen, clearing the way for her confirmation to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals?

Hillary voted NO on cloture on Priscilla Owen and voted NO on confirmation.

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR cloture on the nomination of unqualified fascist Janice Rogers Brown, clearing the way for her confirmation to the DC Court of Appeals?

Hillary voted NO on cloture on Janice Rogers Brown and voted NO on confirmation.

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR cloture on the nomination of religious zealot and homophobe William H. Pryor, clearing the way for his confirmation to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals?

Hillary voted NO on cloture on William Pryor and voted NO on confirmation.

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR cloture on the nomination of John Roberts, clearing the way for his confirmation as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court?

There WAS NO CLOTURE vote on Roberts nomination, so Hillary certainly never voted FOR it. And she voted against his confirmation.

Where was her "fight" during the Senate confirmation of Samuel Alito?

Hillary voted NO on cloture on Samuel Alito and voted NO on confirmation.

You may have problems with her, but Hillary has been great on judges.

(By the way, Obama voted exactly the same way on every one of the judicial nominations you cited).

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_108_1.htm
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:10 AM
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174. THANK YOU!
:yourock:
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:29 AM
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192. thank you - not that any of the Obama supporters will read your post
they don't like the real facts.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:05 PM
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201. No, she's got some of these right
I sent Effie a PM thanking her for her corrections. I'm going to confirm these and post a mea culpa, since a response here will probably be lost in the noise.

However, the point of my post is that VOTES do not count as FIGHT. Hillary has shown zero leadership in the Senate, a body where individual members are granted enormous power to act in defiance of the majority. Has Hillary ever put a hold on these nominations? Has she ever even challenged the Repugs on their support for these reactionary judges?

No, voting the "right way" is simply doing her job. If Hillary expects a promotion from us, she should have brought much, much more to the table.


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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:27 PM
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202. You could say the same thing about Obama. What leadership has he shown?
Introducing a bunch of bills that went nowhere is not leadership.

He and Hillary have nearly identical voting records. But you knew that.

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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:13 PM
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206. Couldn't you say the same thing about Obama - and many of the other Dems?
While you are correct that she (or he) COULD have put holds on these nominations, etc., in reality, it is VERY difficult for junior senators to do this - especially if they want to be able to get anything done for their constituents moving forward. Being in the Senate is about more than waging fights - it's also about trying to get things done on behalf of your constituents, which, especially in the Senate, necessarily working collaboratively with colleagues. After a few terms, it is easier for Senators to stand alone, take controversial positions, and take on fights, but it is very difficult and sometimes counterproductive for junior senators to stake out such ground.

I understand your frustration, but many of the "fights" you note that Hillary didn't take up were not taken up by other Senators either, even those with much more seniority.

Thanks for the note. I appreciate it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:56 PM
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207. This post is speaking directly to Hillary's bogus claim to be a "fighter"
I haven't been particularly blown away by Obama's Senate record, but he's not the one running on being a "fighter" and having so much "experience".
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 10:50 PM
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134. Wow!! That's an impressive list of betrayals from Senator Clinton.
Thanks for summing up so nicely why she doesn't deserve the presidency. She hasn't earned it. She's had eight years in the senate to show what kind of leader she would be. She's failed as as leader in her tenure as senator. The last thing we should do is promote her for it.
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TPILOL Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 10:54 PM
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135. How about the American people?
I know that if there is one thing that's important to Clinton it's the American people. Just hear her speak. She will be the key to renewing America.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 10:55 PM
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136. Really? And that's why she served on the board at Walmart?
And why she pushed NAFTA? And why even now, she has no answer for why Bill is taking money from the Colombian government who is murdering labor organizers? Because she is being honest with you?
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:35 PM
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145. HA! HA! HA! (don't make me laugh) (oh...and welcome to du) n/t
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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:04 PM
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138. She fought for Bill
when he was under the glare of the Lewinsky scandal. She fights hard for bad video games not to be released. Anything else than her own ambition and greed. Not so much.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:37 PM
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146. A BBB post!
Blatantly Beyond Brilliant!

:kick: :kick: :kick:
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:54 PM
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148. K&R - she fights for the Republicans' cause.
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metamars Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:25 AM
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151. Hillary Dillary Dock
Hillary Dillary Dock
She thinks she can run out the clock
But second place she'll never shed
Because that strategy only works when you're AHEAD
Hillary Dillary Dock


The End
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:26 AM
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152. IAAH = It's ALL ABOUT Hillary
Think I'll add that to my siggie line, has a nice ring to it.
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rainlillie Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:31 AM
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158. EXCELLENT!
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:31 AM
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163. Kick
Bookmarked
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:38 AM
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165. when I think of her as a fighter, I think of her fighting for herself
such as during this campaign. Same as Bill fighting against his impeachment.

I do want that kind of fighter as a dem president, for partisan reasons on my part.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:11 AM
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166. I'm an Obama supporter, but Hillary fought hard for universal health care. n/t
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Broadslidin Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:42 AM
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167. Unlike President Roosevelt, Ms. Clinton never bothered to inform the People....
of the extremely serious arising dark clouds of
Medical 'for profit and to Hell with the Customer' Corporation War.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:02 PM
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200. Hillary did NOT fight for Universal HealthCare.
She lost the first round and quit!

She is not now fighting for Universal HealthCare.
She is fighting for Mandatory For Profit Health Insurance.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:02 PM
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223. Since Clintonites are so terrible I am sure you will be happy to win without our votes (eom)
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:09 AM
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168. Video Games and Flag Burning
One cost her the youth vote and the other cost her anyone who's read the constitution carefully.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:23 AM
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169. She's fought bimbo after bimbo after bimbo for Bill and her marriage
That ought to count for something.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:06 AM
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173. Health care reform in 1993.
You said name one. I don't expect her to tilt at windmills.

Frankly, I agree with a lot of the votes you mention. The flag burning thing was a successful effort to derail an attempt to amend the Constitution. You know that. She was only for Lieberman while he was a member of the D. party. When he left, so did HC's support. I don't recall that she supported the bankruptcy bill. Maybe she did, but I guess with all the other dishonesty in your post, I am not inclined to believe you.

Frankly, you cannot be an Obama supporter and honestly complain about "skipped" votes.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:04 AM
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187. What happened to her after 93?!!?!!?!!?!?!?!?!?! WTF?!?!? Sicko brought a lot to light IMHO
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:15 AM
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175. Hmm
I'd appreciate it if we could address one particular issue we seem to be dodging quite a lot. Is Senator Obama's voting record nearly a copy of Clinton's? Yeah, it is. To be fair - he hasn't been serving as long as Clinton - is relatively new to his position. Both a strength and a weakness.

Now don't get me wrong - I voted for Obama and am serving as a delegate for my tiny little town in the middle of no where. I firmly believe he has (most of) the right ideas and the passion to support them. What I question is whether that will be enough.

I see a lot of swings being taken, but we're still striking out at the moment. I will not call our candidates superb, or "extremely powerful" as I heard one of the talking heads suggest last night. They aren't - I can't remember when a truly popular or influential potential candidate ever was.

As Richardson suggested last night, McCain is laughing at us. His support is increasing as the right slowly, reluctantly pulls together to support the only candidate left to them. Eventually we will have to do the same (or refrain from voting, or vote for an independent or republican, or write someone in, or... whatever) - and this split between Clinton, Obama, and their supporters, will make it much harder.

So, while McCain has this time to rally the republicans behind him, we do not have that luxury - though we have had - and still have, the momentum. I'm pointing out the obvious? Yes, bad habit, sorry.

My feelings (and my solutions) regarding the issue are quite simple. Neither candidate is favored enough and this constant bickering is making our case weaker - let's ditch them both and nominate Al Gore.

Anyone have a better idea? To me, it looks like the super delegates are going to make the final decision - regardless of who they select. Won't that be a fucking barrel of monkeys. The Republicans will love it.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:32 AM
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177. Awesome post
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:50 AM
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178. didn't she fight monica in an episode of fantasy mudwrestling ???
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:24 AM
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179. I wish I could recommend this more than once.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:33 AM
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181. She fought Democrats as a Congressional intern for Gerald Ford.
Oh, and she fought to help elect Goldwater.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:34 AM
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182. She fought for Walmart. n/t
:grr:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:35 AM
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183. She fought to protect an accused rapist by smearing his teen-age victim.
yeah she rocks.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:46 AM
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185. Thanki you for that excellent summary
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 10:47 AM by MindMatter
She has said she is "ready on Day 1", but she never says ready for WHAT?

It is true that Obama is more of an unknown quantity, and that has its own risks. But we can see pretty much what another Clinton term would bring us based on her record of not fighting for important progressive values.

In her defense, she was most certainly not the only DINO sitting around quietly being subservient lapdogs to the worst administration in American history. But I don't want any of THEM to be President either. I don't even want them in the Senate, but first things first.

To borrow an apt sports metaphor, you fire the coach first because you can't fire the whole team. We need a whole new team, and are steadily getting this new generation on board. But the big move has to come at the top. We should look very closely at those who have aligned themselves most closely with her. That is a pretty clear statement that the politician values preservation of power and maintenance of status quo more than anything else. I wouldn't recommend targeting other Senators entirely on this basis. But "Friends of Hillary" is a pretty good starting point if we want to list the places where we need to cultivate some new blood.
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:18 AM
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188. On a scale of 1 to 10
I give her a very generous 4, on her fight against George Bush's reckless actions.

That's unacceptable for the next leader of America.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:27 AM
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190. Actually, she's a politician. George Foreman is a fighter. nt
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:33 AM
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193. Well... I guess her talk and her actions come on the cheap
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:37 AM
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194. F&*king Brilliant
Wow.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:45 AM
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197. What a depressing election year:
We have a choice between a spineless corporatist with a sense of entitlement and a flashy charismatic figure whose positions are nearly identical to that of the spineless corporatist, no matter what their increasingly obnoxious defenders say.

What an uninspiring choice, thanks to an electorate who let the mass media choose their candidates for them.

Once again, I'll be voting AGAINST the Republican instead of FOR the Democrat.

I'm in my 50s. Will I live long enough to have the opportunity to vote FOR a nominee whom I can enthusiastically support instead of AGAINST a Republican who scares me?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:40 PM
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220. You need to turn off your TV and do some actual research.
These two candidates could not be further apart on the issues of gravest importance and it's kind of irritating to hear you repeat that line after people have helpfully provided you with the information you've asked for.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:41 PM
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221. I don't watch TV news at all
:shrug:

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:48 PM
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222. Okay you got me.
What I mean is, the corporate media in its hydra-headed manifestations loves to push the line that Hillary and Obama are nearly identical on policy. They aren't, and it couldn't be clearer. Hillary is completely unscrupulous warmonger who began and remains a republican operative; Obama is anti-war and has actually worked as a community organizer. And so on.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:45 PM
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231. "Will I live long enough to have the opportunity to vote FOR a nominee...?"
Short answer: probably not. Not unless we somehow manage to wrest contol of the Democratic party out of the hands of the Overclass.

We've got a long way to go before that happens.

sw
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labdad Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:03 PM
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204. The Question should be "Why Can't Hillary close the deal?"
If she's the only one who can win in Nov, according to Hillary, why can't she close the deal on Obama. Why hasn't Hillary won more states, more delegates, more votes? If she's the only one who can beat John McSame in Nov, why does Obama have the most states won, most delegates and most votes? She can't close the deal because Americans are fed up with her shrill attitude and bull crap. Hillary sees herself as a savior of a nation. Kind of like Bush perhaps???
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:07 PM
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205. Kick
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:37 PM
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208. Not looking for a fight here but...
...I thought early in Bill's first term her efforts at meaningful health care reform were sincere, hard fought, and laudable. She didn't seem then, at least to me, to be the calculating, power mad, self serving, politician she has become. I don't think she's at all the same person she once was.

Sad really. We see this happen to decent, originally well intended people in politics -- not all that uncommon.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:49 PM
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210. nice. K & R. Cluster bomb Clinton deserves to lose.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:02 PM
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212. She fought like hell for Kyl-Lieberman!
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:29 PM
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213. The Clintons only fight for themselves. n/t
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:49 PM
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215. kick for truth
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:51 PM
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216. I LOVE this post! Here's a kick! (nt)
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:03 PM
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224. Health Care
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:05 PM
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225. And?
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:06 PM
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226. K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R!!!
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:06 PM
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227. To be fair...
She DID fight the good fight against video game violence with Joe Lieberman.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:26 PM
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228. And she's 100% for the Human Society!
Now who else can say that!
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:31 PM
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229. And she co-sponsored an Anti-Flag burning amendment with a Repuke. That's brave!
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merciful Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:32 PM
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230. She fought for SCHIP, minimum wage, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera n/t
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:51 AM
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233. KICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t
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