What Do You Think Should Be Done About Michigan & Florida?

[Dinger]

I didn't want to do a poll because I don't think I'd make enough choices, because I happen to think there are many that can be made.
For me, and I'll say right here, I don't know too much about the situation, just that Obama was not on the Ballot in Michigan and both Clinton & Obama were on the ballot in Florida.

I would like Michigan to seat a percentage of delegates, based on the votes that were cast. The percent of eligible voters who voted would determine the number of delegates for each candidate. Those who didn't vote, or were "uncomtittnd," could still vote for the candidate of their choice, and that would determine where the remainder of delegates go.

For Florida, since bother Clinton & Obama were on the ballot, seat the Florida delegates.


Just my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less.

[iamthebandfanman]

1. nothing

you cant change things because you dont like it... not this late in the game.

this discussion should have been had and resolved BEFORE there was any vote, but it wasnt.

so too bad, so sad.

[Dinger]

5. I Think MI & FLA Will Bite Us In November If We Do Nothing

And that could hurt.

[LakeSamish706]

12. As has been mentioned in previous posts, it will have to be something that....

both candidates can live with.

[Dinger]

14. Yup

Whatever that is? (I sure don't know).

[iamthebandfanman]

13. only if everyone continues to make a big deal outa it.

if someone in the party would just drop the subject (COUGH COUGH HILLARY COUGH COUGH) i doubt there will be any backlash from it..

ur either going to vote for a democrat or vote for the same ole thing weve had the last 8 years.

if the primary makes people not vote, then maybe they shouldnt anyway... cause thats a lame issue to base such a big decision.

[Dinger]

19. I Agree, It Might Be Lame

But if they aren't at the convention, they won't be happy, that's for sure. And that attitude, in my opinion, wouldn't bode well for our party in November.

[tridim]

2. 50/50, both states

[iamjoy]

3. Seat The Delegation...BUT

seat the delegation, but each vote only counts as half.

[SunsetDreams]

32. wrong place delete

[bluetrain]

4. Seat Florida. Revote Michigan.

[Capn Sunshine]

6. Seat the delegations and let them caucus and come up with their own damn solution.

That will keep them distracted until the thing is over

[GarbagemanLB]

7. Nothing. Hillary had a gigantic advantage in Florida with her name recognition and

the voters there were told beforehand that their votes wouldn't count, so who knows how many people didn't vote because of that. In Michigan Obama wasn't even on the ballot.

Both state legislatures broke the rules, and the voters of those states should hold THEM accountable. I am sick of this 'blame the DNC!' bullshit.

[Dinger]

9. I Don't Blame The DNC Like The repuke Legislatures In Each State

(If I am right on that.*)

[Adelante]

25. You're half right

The Dems went along with the Repukes. I blame the state Dems more than anyone.

[Hippo_Tron]

40. Florida is Repuke controlled, Michigan has a Dem Governor

[oldgrowth]

8. Florida 50/50 Re-vote Michigan.nt

[olkaz]

10. Seat Florida 50/50, Caucus Michigan

So we don't have any more of that Operation Dipshit going on.

[Tatiana]

11. Seat Florida and penalize them with a 50% loss of delegates.

Michigan should have a caucus, paid jointly by the DNC and MI Democratic Party. Seat the delegation according to the results of the caucus.

[bluetrain]

18. Caucuses are built to disenfranchise minorities. Vote on paper.

[Tatiana]

44. There is not enough time or $$$ to conduct a primary at this stage.

It's got to be a quick and dirty caucus or nothing.

[Adelante]

15. They were two illegitimate elections

I think delegates will end up being seated and I think they should be. The question is are they certified after there is a nominee or before? My preference, if this comes before there is a nominee, is that the delegates be awarded by the DNC, half to each candidate, so that the election results in either case are not honored, since the elections weren't sanctioned, but the states have their delegates. Michigan shouldn't be treated any differently than Florida. They both broke the rules. (Believe it or not, I would say the same if it were Obama in Clinton's position with these states.) I think what's most important is that the party rules be respected by all concerned.

[BklynChick]

16. split in down the middle, seat the delegates

[C_U_L8R]

17. What the point of rules without consequences???

FL and MI both broke the rules knowing full well what they were doing.
Now they are daring us to punish them. Fuck the arrogant bastages.
If the people want to change things, they should be storming their legislatures.
They elected those bums.... they can throw them out.
No sympathy for cheaters.

[Dinger]

23. I Know, But I Just Wish There Was A Way To Make Them "Pay" Without Hurting The Democratic Party

As far as I know, it was repuke legislatures who did this. (If I'm wrong on that, please correct me.) At the very least, the voters in MI & FLA should vote out the bums who screwed this up, whether they are repuke, Dem, or otherwise. I think they can still do this, at least with some of those idiots.

[C_U_L8R]

26. So do I, so do I

but i don't know.... 50 50 doesn't seem right...
seat them but take their votes away???
Y'know these clowns can't set precedent or every other state is gonna be pulling the same shenanigans.

[Seabiscuit]

20. Seat Florida and Revote Michigan as soon as possible before convention. nt

[Secret_Society]

21. Seat both...can't afford to piss off swing states

Possibly punish by only seating half like the Republicans did with Florida

[Exilednight]

22. Same thing that's being done now, not a damn thing. Why reward those that don't want to play.......

by the rules, and spare me the disenfranchisement diatribes. The Democratic leaders of both states should of thought about it before they almost all (in Fl it was all but one Democrat) voted for it.

[Dinger]

30. I Think This Might Be Like Cutting Of One's Nose To Spite The Face

Something has to be done (punish), but not in a way that hurts the person who doesn't deserve it.

[gsaguyCLW54]

24. Anything suggested that does not benefit Obama is a racist solution.

[rateyes]

27. Why fix wasn't isn't broken?

The State Conventions deliberately chose to break the rules, and they knew full well what the consequences for breaking them would be. Hillary and Obama both agreed to abide by the rules and not participate (although Hillary left her name on the ballot in Michigan, and thus broke her pledge as well...and, that pledge was made too late for anyone to remove their names from the Florida ballot.)

Hillary should not now be rewarded for MI & FL (and, her own, IMO) shenanigans.

Rules are not made to be broken.

[quakerboy]

Simple

For expediency, 50/50 on the delegates. 0/0 on the superdelegates.

All involved parties knew beforehand that the votes were invalid. Both of the remaining candidates agreed to that. Thus the votes that have occurred are no different than any other pre-election poll, aside from having a larger sampling size.

Thus, if we do not want to do the expedient thing, and the involved local politicians(and the hillary campaign) step back and allow it, the way to go is most likely a modified caucus, mainly due to a cost standpoint. I would suggest a "show up whenever, write down your vote, and go" caucus, or Caucus in Name Only.

[featherman]

28. Seat the delegations... "no vote on the first ballot" as penalty

[thoughtcrime1984]

29. They should both have a firehouse caucus and count 1/2 delegates. NO SUPER D's

The cost to be shared by the DNC and the states. There HAS to be a penalty for gaming the elections. Rules are NOT made to be broken. This way they can count somewhat, and if it is important to count, than these states will agree to foot half the bill with the DNC, although I realize it'll be tough to get the FL Gov. and Repubs in both state legislatures to go along. If they are counted as they were, it'd be a damn travesty, the cheating would be validated, even rewarded with full delegates and the publicity of "defeating" the "evil" DNC.

[sniffa]

31. They should be seated

all for Obama. That's fair.

[SunsetDreams]

33. 50/50 Just like the RNC...with no Popular vote awarded(with a long explanation)

Florida and Michigan broke the rules, the other 48 states did not.

They voted 115-1 in Florida to move their primary up, DNC warned them last summer if they did that, they would lose their delegates. ALL Candidates agreed to it! Hillary signed an agreement just like everyone else. She is even on video saying they won't count for anything. The blame first and foremost rests with those states parties. They chose to ignore the warning. 48 other states followed the rules, hence they will be punished by not being able to decide the outcome of the election. If they had stayed where they were, they would have been fine. It is Florida and Michigans fault period! Not their voters, but their Parties! They will be seated, Howard Dean has already said so, but they will be severely penalized to the point they don't effect the results. You don't reward states for bad behavior, otherwise it would cause chaos in future elections, if states could decide that they could do whatever they wanted to.

Hillary only decided to scream disenfranchisement, when she decided she was losing and would need those votes. Barack was not even on the ballot in Michigan. Both of these states have had voters publicly say that they knew the votes wouldn't count for anything because thier parties said so, and there were notifications up in the polling places. You cannot accurately judge a voters intention in that situation, because they know it won't count. Furthermore, there were many who stayed home, it is HIGHLY unfair to them to not be included. It is in the courts and has been turned down by appeal. Michigan has already went through the oourt system, where the judge said the vote was unconstitutional and would not be counted. Howard Dean has offered revotes in both states, and was turned down, due to money reasons, and more than likely selfishness. The people calling the shots in both states, support Hillary. They have an agenda, that is clear.

They will be counted this summer, but not in the way they existed in those "mock" vote totals. They were illegitimate period. They will be penalized, like it or not, to respect the integrity of the rules, that both states knew they were violating, but did it anyway.

Hillary will not win on this. The courts have already turned it down, and will continue to do so in Florida no matter what kind of lame excuse they come up with, such as their latest whining fit that the DNC is discriminating against white voters. That will get laughed out of court, because you cannot tell me that Florida is nothing but white voters, and frankly it is rather discriminatory of them to pretend otherwise. This is nothing but a game to them, and it will be denied. If FL doesn't have money for a recount for their voters, how do they have money for all these bogus lawsuits?

As for offering money for a recount, that is like buying votes from Hillarys' campaign. The attorneys involved said so, it doesn't fly. Their parties screwed up, it has nothing to do with the DNC period!
They also wanted to pay for a mail in vote, but BOTH Michigan and Florida decided it was not possible due to time contraints and how would it be measured for accuracy, who would over see it? It would take several elections to work out all the kinks and bugs.

As for Hillary, she is stirring things up just because she is losing. She agreed to it. Aug, Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, and part of February, she never uttered a word. If she thought they were being disenfranchised she should have opened her mouth. If Sen. Obama has "won" those "mock" votes, she wouldn't have been arguing for them. If anyone thinks otherwise, they are sadly mistaken. Hillary only cares about political expediency period.

[ClassWarrior]

34. Saw 'em off and set 'em afloat.

That way the Yoop can become a state.

NGU.

[CalGator]

35. they had their chance for a revote

it didn't happen, and both states gleefully moved the primaries up despite the DNC threat. What should we do about them? Nutin.

[kevinbgoode]

36. And what about the people who didn't vote because they knew

the primary wasn't going to count?

[mmonk]

37. Nobody can agree so why ask us?

[Rosemary2205]

38. We may have to eat them since Costco is all out of rice.

You know this would be a total non issue if Hillary were way out front.

[SunsetDreams]

41. exactly

She wouldn't be making it an issue if Obama had won the "mock" votes, she is pathetic.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. They could mate.

Hey, it might fit.

[Raine]

42. Divide it totally equal, right down the middle...

which makes it a draw and is the only fair to go since these two states didn't follow the rules. It would still give the delegates (the voters) a seat but not give either candidate an advantage.

[ileus]

43. Seat them both...we need Hillary this fall!