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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:51 PM
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Charlie Cook: Clinton in "Political Purgatory" and more about the hole Hillary dug

Charlie Cook: Clinton in "Political Purgatory"

April 24, 2008 5:23 PM

"The good news for Hillary Rodham Clinton is that she’s winning a lot of battles," the essay writes. "The bad news is that the war is pretty much lost."

The column is from well-respected Beltway prognosticator Charlie Cook.

"If this contest were still at the point where momentum, symbolism, and reading tea leaves mattered, Clinton would be in pretty good shape," he writes. "Everything she has needed to happen is happening now. Obama is getting tougher press coverage and critical examination. He’s also getting rattled a bit, and he didn’t perform well in the recent debate in Philadelphia. Clinton is winning in big, important places."

But, Cook notes, "it's happening about three months too late."

Cook says that in some ways "Clinton has spent the past six weeks in a horrible situation. How do you quit a race when you’re still winning primaries? ...But even in victory, she isn’t getting any closer to securing the nomination. This political purgatory will continue if she manages to win Indiana but loses North Carolina — hard to drop out but harder to see winning the nomination. If she loses in both states, then her campaign’s donors and creditors, as well as superdelegates and party leaders, are likely to intervene. But that can’t happen as long as she continues to win."

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The media would have you believe Hillary has been on a six-week winning streak. Let's look at wins since Super Tuesday:

February 9

Obama wins Louisiana and Nebraska


February 10

Obama wins Maine


February 12

Obama wins District of Columbia, Maryland and Virginia


February 19

Obama wins Hawaii


March 4

Hillary wins Ohio and Rhode Island

Obama wins Texas and Vermont


March 8

Obama wins Wyoming


March 11

Obama wins Mississippi


April 22

Hillary wins PA


April 24, 2008

Garin poll asks if Hillary can win

(Listen)

David LaMotte, the Obama backer who got, and didn't like, a Clinton polling call, has generously emailed over the audio of the call, which you can listen to above.

Along with the amusement factor of the paid pollster and the well-informed Obama supporter doing their best to be polite to one another, these calls are interesting because they offer a glimpse at the lines of attack Clinton is considering.

Here, on top of the trade issue, the poll tests familiar attacks based on Obama's Foreign Relations Subcommittee's not holding hearings on Al Qaeda; on healthcare; and on credit card votes.

The most interesting question to me, though, was based on gauging another issue: Whether voters still think Clinton can win.

The question asked the respondent for his view on "the chance that Hillary Clinton can still will the Democratic nomination."

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Assessing Strength in Swing States

By PATRICK HEALY
Published: April 24, 2008

Reflecting on her victory in the Pennsylvania primary, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Wednesday neatly summed up the chief political rationale of her enduring candidacy.

“I won the states that we have to win — Ohio, now Pennsylvania,” Mrs. Clinton said on CNN about her successes over Senator Barack Obama, in one of her six appearances on morning news shows. “It’s very hard to imagine a Democrat getting to the White House without winning those states.”

Mrs. Clinton says her popularity among blue-collar workers, women and Hispanics makes her the candidate to beat Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, in the swing states that decide presidential races. Along with Ohio and Pennsylvania, she also cites her success in Michigan and Florida — even though the Democratic Party disqualified those contests, and Mr. Obama was not on the Michigan ballot — to claim an edge in crucial battlegrounds.

Yet for all of her primary night celebrations in the populous states, exit polling and independent political analysts offer evidence that Mr. Obama could do just as well as Mrs. Clinton among blocs of voters with whom he now runs behind. Obama advisers say he also appears well-positioned to win swing states and believe he would have a strong shot at winning traditional Republican states like Virginia.

According to surveys of Pennsylvania voters leaving the polls on Tuesday, Mr. Obama would draw majorities of support from lower-income voters and less-educated ones — just as Mrs. Clinton would against Mr. McCain, even though those voters have favored her over Mr. Obama in the primaries.

And national polls suggest Mr. Obama would also do slightly better among groups that have gravitated to Republican in the past, like men, the more affluent and independents, while she would do slightly better among women.

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NY Times Thursday: Obliterating Hillary's Electability Meme

April 24, 2008, 7:53 pm

Black Congressman Denounces B. Clinton’s Remarks


The third-ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives and one of the country’s most influential African-America leaders sharply criticized former President Bill Clinton this afternoon for what he called the former president’s “bizarre” conduct during the Democratic primary campaign.

Representative James Clyburn, an undeclared superdelegate from South Carolina who is the Democratic whip in the House, said that “black people are incensed over all of this,” referring to a series of statements that Mr. Clinton has made in the course of the heated race between his wife, Senator Hillary Clinton, and Senator Barack Obama.

Mr. Clinton was widely criticized by black leaders after he equated the eventual victory of Mr. Obama in South Carolina in January to that of the Rev. Jesse Jackson in 1988 – a parallel that many took as an attempt to diminish Mr. Obama’s success in the campaign. In a radio interview in Philadelphia Monday, Mr. Clinton defended his remarks and said the Obama campaign had “played the race card on me” by making an issue of those comments.

In an interview with The Times late Thursday, Mr. Clyburn said that Mr. Clinton’s conduct in this campaign has caused what might be an irreparable breach between Mr. Clinton and an African-American constituency that once revered him. “When he was going through his impeachment problems, it was the black community that bellied up to the bar,” Mr. Clyburn said. “I think black folks feel strongly that that this is a strange way for President Clinton to show his appreciation.”

Mr. Clyburn added that there appears to be an almost “unanimous” view among African-Americans that Mr. and Mrs. Clinton “are committed to doing everything they possibly can to damage Obama to a point that he could never win.”

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The notion was that blacks are loyal to the Clintons. That's why they decided

it was okay to make hints about drugs and play up associations Farrakhan and ties to terrorists, etc.

The Clintons figured it would play well with a certain segment of the Democratic Party, and that black voters would come back around to Hillary in the GE. A win was worth throwing black support under a bus.

If they're going to keep using the blue-collar white voters to make the electability argument for Hillary, then does anyone believe Hillary can win by disenfranchising black voters?

This is the divisiness that has resulted from Hillary's campaign. This is the Dem primary and we have a candidate trying to link the other to terrorists. I don't care who supports Hillary, no one can tell me this crap is "just politics," and as such it should be accepted.

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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:55 PM
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1. Now that the Clintons have successfully ticked off Rep. Clyburn
they might as well kiss NC goodbye, too. This will not play well in NC once this gets widely known.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:24 AM
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13. Rep. Clyburn really was a surprise, considering his stature in the party.
Wow. I completely agree with him, but I wasn't expecting that.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:04 PM
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2. The end of the road is near
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:20 PM
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3. I think the writer underplays the fact that these are not "all or nothing" primaries.
They are not like November; they are not a predictor of November. Obama may get a few less votes than Clinton in a state, overall, but he gets lots of delegates--adding to his already big count--anyway. And, come November, most of those voters will vote Democratic, whether for Obama or Clinton. So you can't really say that Clinton "won" that primary. It doesn't mean the same thing as winning an election. It just means she has a bit an edge among those voters, in their choice between two Democrats. He overplays its importance by saying that she keeps "winning" primaries.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:27 PM
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4. Good point, and still
Obama has won 15 primaries, the same number as total states won by Hillary.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:01 PM
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5. Clinton debt larger than reported


Clinton debt larger than reported

Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor April 24, 2008 03:13 PM

Hillary Clinton's campaign debt at the end of March was bigger than it appeared because she didn't list the $5 million she loaned herself, a campaign finance watchdog group reported this afternoon.

Clinton, in her filing with the Federal Election Commission, reported that her campaign had $9 million in cash on hand as of March 30, and $10 million in debts.

"The Clinton campaign itemizes its debts to vendors, totaling $10.3 million by the end of last month, but since January, when Clinton infused her campaign with $5 million, the campaign hasn't been adding in that loan when reporting its overall debt to the Federal Election Commission," the Center for Responsive Politics said.

"An FEC representative tells us Clinton's debt to herself, even if she won't be paying it back, should be lumped in with the campaign's debts to others on the first page of the monthly filings, not just listed deeper within her disclosure forms -- that's how the other big self-funder in 2008, Mitt Romney, reported the $42 million he lent himself."

Including the loan would put her debt as of March 30 at $15.3 million, the nonpartisan group said.

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:04 PM
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6. K & R
:thumbsup:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:11 PM
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7. K AND R!!!!
:kick:
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:11 PM
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8. kick for true Democrats!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:39 PM
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9. Yes! n/t
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:06 PM
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10. "How do you quit when you are still winning primaries?"
You say: "I quit." How hard is that?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:20 AM
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11. It's more like: You've lost. n/t
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:24 AM
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12. K & R
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:33 AM
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14. K&R
Good stuff, ProSense. Thanks!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:39 AM
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15. 11-3
Soon to be 13-3.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:43 AM
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16. "she's winning a lot of battles"? What constitutes "a lot"? She lost Texas. Won OH & PA
big fucking deal.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:59 AM
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17. Hillary is truly unelectable, she cannot win the GE w/o the black voters
and she has thrown them under the bus and for the first time in a longtime they could switch to voting Repub/McCain because of the BS they pulled.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:30 PM
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18. Hillary has a plan:
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 12:30 PM by ProSense
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:27 PM
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19. Obama team remains unshaken and unstirred
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 12:27 PM by ProSense

Obama team remains unshaken and unstirred

Carrie Budoff Brown Sun Apr 27, 8:48 AM ET

After Sen. Barack Obama's third major primary loss and endless media coverage dedicated to dissecting the apparent weaknesses of his candidacy, one of the most striking elements of his campaign this week was what's missing: any hint of internal upheaval.

At Obama headquarters in Chicago, hundreds of miles removed from the Beltway bubble, advisers held steadfast in their adherence to The Plan, a blueprint devised 15 months ago by the same inner circle that runs the campaign today, supported by the candidate and carried out by a tight-knit staff.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's operation could not be more dissimilar. Her campaign, ensconced in a Washington suburb, has experienced two major staff shakeups fueled by high-level staff rivalries, shifting strategies and an unusual degree of finger-pointing.

The contrast raises the question: How has the Obama campaign managed to maintain an island of comparative calm?

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"third major primary loss"? Doesn't that give the impression that Obama suffered three major losses consecutively?

He's ahead 30 states to Hillary's 15, and winning by every other metric.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:33 PM
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20. Fact Check on Clinton Claim That They Are Ahead in Popular Vote Total
Fact Check on Clinton Claim That They Are Ahead in Popular Vote Total


BUT IT'S A RACE FOR THE DELEGATES

Harold Ickes Said "It's Useful To Win States, But States Don't Vote--Delegates Do" And Said "This Is Very Much A Race For Delegates At This Point." "It's useful to win states, but states don't vote -- delegates do," said Harold Ickes, who is heading up the delegate operation for New York Sen. Hillary Clinton. "This is very much a race for delegates at this point," said Ickes, a longtime Clinton insider and aide to President Bill Clinton. (Reuters, 1/31/08)

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