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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:43 PM
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"Target Dean" 2004...Target Obama 2008?? The shameful media role.
Several people have quietly wondered if similarities exist between how Howard Dean was treated by the media in 2004, and Barack Obama is being treated today.

I had not paid that much attention to the particular aspects, but the last two days I have seen such unrelenting ridiculous spin, falsities....seen trivial unimportant items exaggerated beyond reason where Obama is concerned.

Today my hubby angrily walked through the room when I was on computer, said he just turned off the TV. He said My God they are doing the same thing to Obama as they did to Dean last primary. He said the only things different were the choice of topics.

I remember this article by Peter Hart from FAIR which was called "Target Dean." The attacks he presents from the media are quite different than the ones on Obama, but they were equally absurd in nature.

Dean's bluntness got him in lots of hot water, but it was nearly always the flat out unmitigated truth. Obama is more of an orator and less blunt, but that does not stop the media in their effort to make the trivial seem monumental.

From April 2004

Target Dean

They took a governor who had governed right/center, and they turned him overnight into a big freaking liberal...."liberal" was the most insulting term they knew. It was amazing.

Early reservations about Dean's candidacy were often framed as an ideological problem ("The Left's Mr. Right?" asked an August 11 Newsweek headline). Media impatience about the "cluttered" Democratic race relegated Dean to the margins, presumably on ideological grounds. Before a debate early in the campaign, NPR's Cokie Roberts lamented (4/28/03) that "some of the strongest voices are likely to come from Al Sharpton, Howard Dean, people who are not necessarily in the mainstream of the American voting public."


That wasn't catching on, so they changed the terminology to "outsider" and "insurgent."

But journalists intent on painting Dean as too far left found a dearth of material—a Time headline (8/11/03) backhandedly acknowledged this, calling the budget-balancing, pro-gun Dean "An Unlikely Spokesman for the Anti-Bush Left." Since remaking the centrist governor as a leftist seemed a bit of a stretch, the media script changed: Instead of fretting over his being too liberal, the punditocracy was vexed by Dean's outsider status and his insurgent campaign style.


They even went after his marriage, and the fact that Judy Steinberg Dean was her own person, a physician, a woman who did not like the spotlight.

Sometimes journalists seemed bothered by Dean's unconventional campaigning. The fact that Dean's wife Judith Steinberg was not traveling with him became a subplot in the Iowa coverage. New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd (1/15/04) wrote that the Deans "seem to be in need of some tips on togetherness and building a healthy political marriage, if that's not an oxymoron. Even by the transcendentally wacky standard for political unions set by Bill and Hillary Clinton, the Deans have an unusual relationship." Calling Steinberg "a ghost in his political career," Dowd suggested that Dean "could use a character witness on the road to vouch for his core values," closing her column with the command: "Physician, heal thy spouse."


One of the very worst times was when Dean made the statement that we were no safer with Saddam captured. The media had a field day.

When Dean remarked that the capture of Saddam Hussein did not make Americans any safer, that was another gaffe for the press, with many reporters insinuating that an antiwar candidacy should close up shop once Hussein was in custody. Reporters were commenting on Dean's downward slide before there was any evidence of it. A December 19 Knight Ridder report led with the bad news: "Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean, seeking to regain momentum that he lost after Saddam Hussein's capture, lashed out at his critics Thursday and defended his assertion that the seizure didn't make America safer."


Later, there was a poll by the NYT that showed that even in December 2003....60% of the country agreed with his statement. They never really talked about that.

Since Obama is much more of a cautious speaker, and seems to have no real scandals...they are having to make sh** up. They are using issues like Wright and Ayers that really have been twisted into something they are not.

They are jumping on every word coming out of his mouth, out of Michelle Obama's mouth...and they even have the nerve to say they must do it because the GOP will do it in November.

They are arrogant and smug in their "rightness".

But they appear to be well on the way to "Target Obama" 2008. Stay alert, Peter Hart, you might have to write another column with a similar name.

Unfortunately, this time, as last time...there are Democrats working with the media to accomplish this scenario.

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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:01 PM
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1. It's breathtaking the number of blatant inconsistencies being
reported by the MSM about Obama now. Now only does it remind one of the targeting of Dean, it brings back irate memories of the Gore bashing.

I guess one can only assume the MSM has a job to do -- serving its Corporate masters' directives -- and to heck with the literal truth.

How many times recently, for instance, have we heard Hillary won Texas -- and no one corrects this? It's beyond disgusting. And if there's any truth to the accusation that Barack Obama cannot "close the deal" why does he have a virtual pledged delegate lock on Hillary Clinton? If he cannot close the deal, and she's that far behind him in that all-important area, what exactly does that say about her campaign?

No one in the media challenges the raw absurdity of her recent claims. It's unbelievable.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:06 PM
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2. It is enough to make me want to throw a shoe at the TV
I can't watch Clinton at all anymore.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:58 PM
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36. I can't watch her, and I can't listen to her
This is the way I have been with Bush* for 8 years now. I can't believe a Democratic candidate has the same impact on me; but she has employed many Bush*-like moves, so perhaps it truly isn't all that surprising. And listening between the lines, she has implied in the past she will "take" the nomination, which accusing Barack of running the chance of being illegitimate if he does not persevere with the popular vote (this statement as she is counting the votes of Florida)but gets the nomination. This was a blatant Bush* tactic in 2000; trying to "steal" the election while pointing a finger at Al Gore and accusing him of doing just that.

All of a sudden, the Democratic primary (to me) is so reminiscent of the 2000 election, I can't believe it. Yes, I see it, I hear it, but I can't believe.

Glad I am not the only one who can't watch her any longer.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:44 PM
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27. I Had To Turn Off MSNBC
they were actually talking like Hillary had this wrapped up because of PA. It's as if they are setting up this perfect storm for Hillary to come down and steal this thing right from Obama and it would be okay, because she's a fighter. And fighters deserve to win, just like Bush did.

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:06 PM
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3. So what do we DO?
Of course there are the conventional candidate support activities: canvassing, phone banking, letter writing, which I hope all of us are involved in. But I have been worrying about whether the Obama campaign has a coherent and coordinated netroots campaign with specific PERSUASIVE rhetorical objectives. It seems to me that such thing IS vital to counter Corporate Media. If enough responsible people were involved and committed to the message rather than vindictive stabs at the crazies out there, something constructive could be accomplished.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:55 PM
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47. FIRST . . . turn off the TVs . . . and keep them off . . ..
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:09 PM
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4. So true. I've just made two posts about how the media is being so very deceptive in propping up
this "horse race". The nominee has been decided and they know what the numbers are and how they work. Yet they sit there day in and out peddling lies about how the results can change. It's sickening. I have turned it completely off. I couldn't take it anymore. I don't want to go down the same path and have the same type of president that we've had for the last 8 years. The media has been so complicit in dumbing down the electorate, cheerleading war, and incessantly repeating GOP talking points as facts.

They are co-conspirators in the attempt to tear the Dems apart at the seams while giving McCain a free ride because he is a "war hero" who can do no wrong.

It's really disgusting and dispicable.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:11 PM
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Without the "BIG STORY", they got nuthin'
just hours and hours of sitting around staring at each other and making small talk..
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:33 PM
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6. This article about SDs creeps me out. Altmire, PA, says she wants to bring up Obama's negatives
And other statements. This really concerns me.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/elections/article472338.ece

All of Obama's victories came before a spate of bad publicity prompted by the airing of his former pastor's incendiary sermons.

"She's trying to make the case that, 'Sen. Obama, when they're done with him, he's going to have as least as high negatives as I do,' " said Rep. Jason Altmire, an undecided superdelegate from Pennsylvania.

"And when you see what's happened lately, that is a possibility. ... That is something people are going to consider."


Her campaign admits to using that issue. Altmire sounds clueless at the harm being done.

Read this one:

• Forcing Obama and Clinton to continue scrapping is good practice, as long as they don't get too nasty. "The best way to prepare for a football game is for everybody to suit up, put their pads on and scrimmage," Virginia's Cranwell said.

• Why alienate the potential next president of the United States by picking his or her competitor before the primaries are over?

• Ending the contest now would dampen Democratic enthusiasm and registration in states that haven't yet voted.


And this one:

"I think the process needs to mature a little bit," said C. Richard Cranwell, an undecided superdelegate and chairman of the Virginia Democratic Party. "I don't think it's quite gelled enough."


I read another one today that the superdelegates who are up for reelection are terrified of offending their constituents.

I was right. Most of them quoted are fine with it being Target Obama.






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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:39 PM
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9. "...gelled..." jeez. you'd think they would have a dictionary
:rofl:

Definitions of jelled:

* adjective: congealed into jelly; solidified by cooling

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:11 PM
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5. Just a heads up....on the Daily Show next week.
Interesting guests next week.



Picture courtesy of the Indecision 2008 blog at Comedy Central

BREAKING: Jimmy Carter, Newt Gingrich, Howard Dean and Harry Reid to Appear on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

I thought this comment was bitterly funny and so true...goes with the theme of target Dean:

The current chairman of the Democratic National Committee and former presidential candidate and failed yodeler Howard Dean will be making his fourth appearance on the show on Thursday, May 1. Dean, of course, has the most unenviable job in the Democratic party right now as he will be responsible for any schism that may occur when they finally get around to picking a nominee.


Great and true comment.


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skyounkin Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:26 PM
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39. They
will tell their lies again about Dean, and blame him for the schism while ignoring the fact that he is trying to pull the party together and Hillary and the DLC are tearing it apart.

God, the media and the willful manipulation of the who media KNOW THEY ARE BEING MANIPULATED is disgusting.

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:35 PM
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7. I've watched very little boob-tube since Tuesday
waiting for the cycle to right itself.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:04 AM
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14. We can't take much watching news right now either.
It is too stressful.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:18 AM
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16. I'm learning my new language so I can survive
in this country. I might have to abandon the US permanently if Clinton steals the nomination. :hi:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:38 PM
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8. The difference is Obama has an insurmountable lead and is not about to lie down.
With Dean holding the DNC together unscathed by the Wrath of Clinton, Obama is crafting a supermajority that can pay no never mind to the wagging tongues. We can do this. We just need to pull up our collective socks. We've been waiting seven long-ass years for this.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:40 PM
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10. God, I hope you are right. I guess it is where I live.
People are just allowing themselves here in FL to be manipulated.

Fingers crossed you are right.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:27 AM
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13. Courage! We really are the change we've been waiting for.
:hi:
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:46 PM
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29. They Are So Scary
meaning the media and the Clinton's. Perfect storm is brewing for some shenanigans to take place, very similar to 2000. I'm very worried.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:33 PM
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34. I am worried as well.
Have been for a while.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:42 PM
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11. They beat dead horses over and over again...
No wonder Ted Turner is pissed off about what they did with cable news.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:57 PM
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12. WSJ: The Democrats Have a Nominee
Yes, we do, but we have to go pretending we don't so Hillary can help the GOP "vet" Obama. Bull hockey.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120899521565139921.html?mod=todays_columnists

"So what?

Other than ensuring the Greatest Show on Earth will continue, does it matter that Hillary Clinton defeated Barack Obama Tuesday in Pennsylvania by nine-plus points? Barack Obama is the nominee.

No matter how many kicks the rest of us find in such famously fun primary states as Indiana and South Dakota, it's going to be McCain versus Obama in 2008.

I believe the cement set around the Clinton coffin last Friday. The Obama campaign announced it had received the support of former Sens. Sam Nunn of Georgia and David Boren of Oklahoma.

Both are what some of us nostalgically call Serious Democrats. They represent what the party was, but is no more: sensible on national security, spending and middle-class values. Obama receiving their imprimatur is like hands reaching out from the graves of FDR, JFK and LBJ to announce: "Enough is enough. This man is your nominee. Go forth and fight with the Republicans." Make no mistake: Superdelegates with sway took notice.



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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:13 AM
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15. You left out that Dean as Osama abortion of a commerical sponsored by Gephardt
Torricelli helped the evanescent 527 group with the funding, and was also a donor to Kerry (who was probably not directly involved). What those jackasses don't seem to get is that ads like that work against ALL Dems, because they simply repeat Rethug framing. The ad helped to knock Dean out of the race, but it also damaged Kerry a lot, as it would have damaged any nominee.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:40 AM
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17. Until recently, Obama had a honeymoon with the MSM that neither Dean nor Hillary ever enjoyed.
Even now, most of the press is still on his side. Hillary scared them into a little long-overdue deference, but they still want him to trounce her so McCain can trounce him.
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Hillary by 10 Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:52 AM
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18. Obama was kid gloved for months by the media
That he has had to endure prejudice against him by the media is a laughable proposition. Even in his 2 major blunders - Wright and Bitter - he was still protected by the press. Wright = "greatest white guilt speech humanity has ever heard!". Bitter = He was just tellin the truth + ABC was the worst debate ever! Both times there was a clamor to defend Obama.

Now he is getting vetted and you people are outraged. You weren't outraged when Hillary was getting brutalized in the press. You pounced upon it with rabid delight and hounded the Hillary supporters off this site, wrapped in your own arrogance and righteousness.

As well, Obama has no "real" scandals because he has NO real record. And Rezko, btw, is a real scandal. Get on that, obama bashing media! Hillary was scandalized for cookies, health care, village, and sniper. Are those scandals? No. But that is politics. Wake up and stop whining and win Indiana and NC. Shut her up by WINNING, not whining.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:00 AM
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19. Who is "you people"? Read my profile....which part do you refer to?
Who do you mean?

The media is on Hillary's side overwhelmingly now since Richard Mellon Scaife and Rupert Murdoch gave her their blessing. You've heard of them?

She has joined with the worst in the media to win.
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:05 AM
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20. That's what we have to deal with
special interests groups swaying the media, the good news is the vast majority of Obama's campaign funds come from small donors like us... He'll have plenty of funds to compete if we continue to support his campaign. Give what you can...

Obama will not allow the voice of the American People to be drowned out by special interest groups...
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:10 AM
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21. the dead roam the night devouring the flesh of other democrats
with spiffy new names
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:24 AM
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24. I was thinking the same thing. LOL
:hi:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:47 PM
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30. *
:rofl:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:18 PM
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33. Me, too. A secular progressive, that is. Like your sign.
:hi:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:01 PM
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50. Well, thanks- hey, I appreciate your work, too.
Keeping tabs on the FL GOP, creationists, etc. Your threads are much appreciated.

:hi:
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:20 AM
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23. Absolultely...
Well said. The true facts!!!!

(Hillary is going to win IN and NC - the whining on this board will be unbearable)

Go Hillary!!
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1trackmindGOP Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:15 AM
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22. If people would quit following their commands
and using their own brain to decide what they think and let the media know they do not appreciate their interference, they would stop using this kind of agenda...when we buy into it and let them do it, we empower them to continue their assault tactics and crossing the line of delivering news based on facts verses news based biased opinions and agenda's.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:06 PM
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25. I'd agree except that the media and news
is not really driven by viewing habits or facts. It is a pure propaganda machine and just like our election process gives the illusion that voters control the outcomes of elections, the media give the impression that its coverage is driven by viewership and facts. It is all a great game to divert our attention with futile hopes and efforts to make them see the error of their ways.

Honestly, if people cannot see what the media is doing with this after Bill, Gore, Dean, Kerry etc. then we are truly doomed.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:37 PM
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26. The propaganda machine is working overtime to make Hillary viable.
They keep making it sound like she is going to win.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:46 PM
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28. I supported Kerry in the primaries. I was wrong. In retrospect, I think Dean wouldve been the
stronger candidate.

I think the Media & Karl Rove knew this, too.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:55 PM
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43. The media was taking any Dem down. Dean went down before and after Iowa EASILY.
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 07:01 PM by blm
Too easily. Media had targeted Kerry for months before Dean, but Kerry adjusted his campaign in time to survive.


Historian Douglas Brinkley had a book tour scheduled for January2004, and the media told him to try and not talk about Kerry that nobody wanted to hear about him.

Remember the timing of how it all went down, media turned on Dean AFTER they had spent months targeting Kerry as the dead campaign and thinking that they succeeded in knocking him down. Then it was onto Dean.



Historian Douglas Brinkley Offers Insights on John Kerry, Vietnam & Campaign 2004 in Crain Lecture

April 5, 2004, Greencastle, Ind. - "People thought I was nuts doing a book on John Kerry," author and historian Douglas Brinkley said this afternoon in a Gertrude and G.D. Crain Jr. Lecture at DePauw University. Brinkley's book, Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War, was released in January, when Kerry's presidential campaign was floundering and getting little media attention. Audio Link"In December, nobody thought that Kerry was anything -- that he was done -- and I was marketing my book essentially as a Vietnam book, the story of the Vietnam War through one person. Even when I started doing big national media to launch my book in January -- just a few months ago -- I was told to try not to talk about Kerry because nobody cared."

The Iowa Caucus on January 19 changed everything, Brinkley told a standing room only crowd in Watson Forum of DePauw's Eugene S. Pulliam Center for Contemporary Media, for the candidate, the author and his book. A national best-seller, Tour of Duty tells of Senator Kerry's heroism during the Vietnam War. Brinkley persuaded Kerry to give him access to journals Kerry kept during the conflict, which provide detailed and sometimes jarring accounts of what life was like for troops in Southeast Asia.
>>>>>>

Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. Audio Link"There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered unable to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life."
>>>>>>

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:58 PM
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31. Don't forget the scream.
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 01:09 PM by fudge stripe cookays
For those of us who were at the Ballroom that night, that was the most unforgivable load of crap foisted on the American public.

Even the more liberal punditry jumped on it (see your post #5). Yodeler? I mean, come on.

I got home to Texas after being on a bus for a day and a half with the other Texas rangers, and had no idea what had happened. It was awful. We were suddenly laughingstocks, and we had no idea why.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:54 PM
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35. To THIS day ...
They successfully took a heartfelt moment, something EVERYONE complains you never see in a politician, and turned it into something cruelly wrong ...

To this day when people bring it up and I tell them there are wrong, they want to believe I am off my rocker ...

My mother, a life long D who in her age fell into the Fox News hypnosis, in her last days would say "I am just so disgusted with the democratic party right now, like that Dean and how inappropriate he was" ...

Broke my heart ...

Mission accomplished ...
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:31 PM
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51. I have silenced...
quite a few people making fun of him. Even liberals.

I say, "Were you there that night?"

"Of course not."

"Well I was. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about." I then proceed to state that those of us who were on the floor cheering couldn't HEAR him over our cheers. He was yelling to be heard over the crowd.

And that fat-ass Candy Crowley and all her other little FOX and MSCNBC cronies in the back of the room knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they turned the crowd volume down and Dean's mike UP.

He was trying to rev up a crowd of disappointed supporters. I fail to see how that could possibly be considered inappropriate. And if I'd met your mom, she would have gotten an earful from me about it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:25 PM
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38. It was a shameful time in our country.
It took such courage for him to stay and fight to change the party.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:41 PM
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32. " embedded in the asphalt the flattened form of a once-captivating outsider"
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1176

When the 2004 campaign is finished, some might look back and marvel at the trajectory of the Dean campaign. Time's Karen Tumulty (8/11/03) might have inadvertently captured the mood of reporters toward Dean:

"Look back at nearly every campaign trail to the White House, and you will find embedded in the asphalt the flattened form of a once-captivating outsider. The story line plays out as follows: He seizes the imagination with a compelling message and personality; he upsets the dynamic of the race; the media lavish attention and praise on him (there is talk that he has created a phenomenon that will change politics); he makes a rookie mistake or two under the TV lights; the reporters turn on him; his fanatical legions realize he wasn't the guy they thought he was; and finally his demise becomes part of the winner's heroic backstory."


Obama, another "captivating outsider"...are they going to do the same?

Can we stop them?


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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:01 PM
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37. Just this week
Russert repeated the lie that Obama wouldn't salute the flag. If Russert doesn't know the difference between saluting the flag and standing for the national anthem then his patriotism should be questioned.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:11 PM
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40. Jonathan Alter and the birkenstock wearing "liberal" Dean supporters
"Though the press corps initially exhibited genuine interest and amazement at the cyber-support for Dean's campaign, the novelty quickly wore off, and media began to dwell on the reservations of the Democratic Party establishment about the long-term viability of an insurgent candidacy. "The greatest fear among certain Democrats is that if Dean does win the nomination, his liberal supporters will put their Birkenstocks on the gas pedal and drive the party right over the cliff," explained Newsweek's Jonathan Alter (8/11/03).

This is the guy relied on daily by Keith Olbermann.


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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:20 PM
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41. Remember the t-shirts from his press corps when he dropped?: "We have the power"
same same.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:42 PM
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42. I found it. "Media critic Howard Dean bows out with humor"..Poignant
They really did do that. I am sure he took it graciously. They have proven they still have the power.

From 2004

Media critic Howard Dean bows out with humor

An edgy moment of own-expense laughter is the best that reporters and an about-to-drop-out presidential hopeful can hope for, as a campaign enters what everyone knows is its final hours.

Hence, candidate -- and media critic -- Howard Dean reacted with humor Tuesday in Milwaukee as journalists presented him with a long-sleeve white T-shirt. It carried the motto "Establishment Media" in front, and a slogan swiped from Dean in the back: "We Have the Power, Dean Press Corps 2004."

It was the fitting end to a roller-coaster relationship. Dean was decorating the covers of Time and Newsweek a month ago, only to become fodder for late-night comics after his I-Have-a-Scream Iowa concession speech.


My fear is this: Is Obama next?

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:06 PM
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44. I think right now they are feeding on the circus atmosphere
created by the other candidate staying in after she's lost. It's a nether-land and they have no where for their program to go so they fall back to the familiar.

Can he overcome it in the general? We'll see.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:45 PM
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45. I notice Obama is forced to be cautious...his opponents in both parties
are ready to leap.

I hope he can survive the onslaught from all sides.

This is not vetting. It is bordering on sabotage with his own opponent using right wing attacks.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:49 PM
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46. As I listened to some comments on KO tonight, I came to realize that African Americans
are also being targeted . . .

in the sense that they've always supported the Dem Party and gotten nothing or little back
for it ---

In this particular case, with a candidate "of color," I think some of the Dem Party wants to ensure
that their hopes are crushed even before the election ---

African-Americans shouldn't have expectations --- that could be dangerous for the elites.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:00 PM
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48. Just to clarify a little further . .. we are fighting for control of the party vs the DLC . . .
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 09:01 PM by defendandprotect
it isn't just Hillary, it's the monied interests who have invested in the DLC to move the Dem Party to the right ...

and it's also about not wanting it to be too clear that African-Americans are playing a huge role in
bringing change to the party -- ousting the evil forces.

PLUS, even if all that happens, they want to stay in a position to fight the change ---
to hinder Obama, to deny the African-American strength behind the party -- to cripple any expectations they may have --- and to be able to reestablish their control.

Of course, the same applies to females who we hope will be with Obama and their expectations.

Did anyone hear anyone on KO mention the DLC . . . NO!




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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:03 PM
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49. This would also be another victory for Dean vs the DLC . . .
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 09:03 PM by defendandprotect
and the system he established of raising citizen money directly via the internet -- et al

and his 50 state approach ---



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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:40 PM
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52. It's a shame some people (masses, actually) still think the media has overall pro-Obama bias.
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 09:40 PM by PseudoIntellect
That meme is obsolete. Where have people been the last two months?
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