If Hillary Clinton steals the nomination, you know what you'll see on my lawn?

[Political Heretic]

Yes, I said "steals" because of several posts threatening to stay home or vote for someone other than the democratic nominee if Hillary Clinton "steals" - their sentiment - the nomination.

If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination because by some mathematical formula she convinces superdelegates that she's won the popular vote, this will be in my yard:



If she gets the nomination because she loses both the popular vote and the pledged delegates but someone pressures SDs into going against the popular process, this will be in my yard:



If she keeps up negative attacks on my guy, lies about him, accuses him of butt-fucking captain kangaroo on a mattress of coke mirrors while licking camel urine off a bust of Karl Marx and by doing that somehow manages to secure the nomination, this will be in my yard:



Why? Because I am a Democrat. And even when we have problems, even when our processes need changed, even when our fellow party members are wrong, or acting like idiots - we remain the better choice for America. And in the face of a truly terrifying Republican candidate, whose presidency would be one of the most bone-chilling, America-ending things I can possibly imagine, there is no other option for me.

I hope that if Obama wins the nomination, my fellow Democrats who have supported Clinton with their blood sweat and tears like I have supported Obama would say the same.

[DJ13]

1. Aint gonna happen

Whats with the sudden concern today from Obama supporters that Hillary might not have the Democrats voting for her in the GE?

Like she has the nomination that she cant win locked up?

Its like a virus around here (been 6 to 10 threads already), and its getting old.

[Kurovski]

4. Oh, for cry-eye...

when the hell is reconciliation supposed to begin, anyway? Are we just going to all be assholes for the next twenty-five years? Is this our fate?

[DJ13]

8. No, I was pointing out there are plenty of threads about this already

Arent we supposed to check for recent threads about the same subject?

[Kurovski]

19. I hadn't seen them.

And I do like this one. Are the others as clever?

But I take your point.

Still, I like this one a lot. :-)

[dionysus]

57. we all might end up being assholes for the rest of our lives, my friend...

:toast:

[Kurovski]

68. That's pretty much a given for me.

But sometimes a guy's got to give it the old college try. Or something. :-)

[Political Heretic]

6. I'm not concerned. I'm stating a fact I've held since day one.

[RiverStone]

55. It won't matter if you hire the Goodyear blimp and flash her name...

If she wins with a SuperD coup, so many folks will walk away from the party in disgust that no amount of advertising will mean shit.

And I say that as a Dem who has voted blue for over 30 years.

The good news is, it will never happen anyway.

Obama will seal the deal before May 20th.

[Kurovski]

2. This is pretty cool.

And funny, too. K&R!

[PBS Poll-435]

3. K&R for Unity!

[mcctatas]

5. you are a literary genius

"lies about him, accuses him of butt-fucking captain kangaroo on a mattress of coke mirrors while licking camel urine off a bust of Karl Marx" ...
:rofl:

excuse me now while I wash my brain!

[Duke Newcombe]

7. You're a better Dem than I, then...

...I personally cannot support someone I consider morally repugnant, deceitful, and repulsive to me--fuck it if they have a (D) after their name. She, nor any Dem doesn't have a right to my vote "just because".

Duke

[Political Heretic]

9. I didn't suggest anyone has a right to your vote "just because."

First, I recognize its "your" vote, not the party's vote. For me however, I believe that this party, warts and all, is better than the selected Republican nominee. If they were running some other republican for President, maybe it would be different. But they're not - they're running John McCain, who is a warmonger like I've never seen before and who scares the shit out of me. In the face of that, both of our two candidates would serve better as president.

The fact that you consider Clinton "morally repugnant" - what does that have to do with the kind of policy she would have out of the executive branch? She's repulsive to you? Great. The campaign she has run at least has been repulsive to me too. What does that have to do with comparing the choice between Clinton and Mcfuckingnutbag?

If they could animate a COW TURD, and get it to be the Democratic President, I would vote for it, as long as it could SIGN BILLS FROM A DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED CONGRESS INTO LAW.

[Duke Newcombe]

14. I understand your logic, but...

...at the end of the day, I cannot "compartmentalize" or disassociate sufficiently to enable me to pull the lever for her--full stop. My personal moral and ethical bar for a Democratic POTUS is too high, I guess.

Duke

[Political Heretic]

18. Well, fair enough. It's not like I don't respect your predicament.

[Ashy Larry]

16. If Hillary ends up becoming President,

the congress won't be democratically controlled for very long. Look at what happened in the nineties. Another Clinton presidency is bad for the party in the long term.

[GetTheRightVote]

10. Nope, time to punish the party if stolen internally period.

[Political Heretic]

11. But you won't be punishing the party. You'll be punishing Americans.

That's the problem.

[Levgreee]

40. False, If the election is stolen that means there are other misdeeds going on to.

zero tolerance for that crap, a 3rd party splinter would likely be necessary, to force them to undo overturning the will of the voters.

[MADem]

32. While you reward the Scalia agenda. Smooth....

:eyes:

[HopeforChange]

12. When Hell Freezes Over I'll Vote for someone I don't believe in.

[klyon]

48. then vote against someone you believe in less......... McBush III

don't give them the satisfaction, our country needs you.

[ShortnFiery]

13. IMO, it's a little f**king early for loyalty oaths?!? HRC may run with McCain?

:evilgrin:

[crankychatter]

37. Half the eligible electorate isn't even registered

They're up for grabs and WE could still win

So, you are postulating she will keep this going to Convention then switch over?

That would be a coups d etat for sure

would work well considering our Doe eyed idealism and poor planning.

Machiavelli would be proud

So, what do you know that I don't know?

You must tell me now... I require it.

[ShortnFiery]

39. All I know for a fact is that "I don't do loyalty oaths" NOW - we have a right wing duopoly.

Country loyalty before one's political party ties? Always. :hi:

[crankychatter]

41. As my Black Family would say

"Who YOU tellin?"

:)

[smiley_glad_hands]

15. I've said i'd support her if she somehow slithered her way to the nomination.

But she's making it harder and harder everyday. Her supporters certainly don't help either.

[CoffeeCat]

17. Then you stand for nothing...

If--as YOU said--you would support a candidate that demeaned and lied about your candidate of choice, then
you absolutely stand for nothing--but blind loyalty to an organization.

I'm a loyal Democrat. We all are. But, when we see injustice, immoral behavior and dishonesty--it is
cowardly to go along--for the sake of honoring the institution. As loyal Democrats, we are morally
obligated to speak out--not capitulate to immoral actions, when we see them happening.

Failing to do so, is what the "good Germans" did. Failing to do so leaves an abuse victim unable to
leave a domestic-violence situation.

You are obviously very proud of your loyalty to the party. Loyalty is a good quality. However, allowing
yourself to be bamboozled and to leave your good judgment at the doorstep--is less about loyalty
and more about being gullible and unable to think critically.

Loyalty--when earned, is a beautiful thing. Remaining loyal--when the the object of your loyalty engages in
repugnant, dishonorable, egotistical and dishonest behavior--isn't courageous or something to wear as a badge
of honor--on your front lawn, nonetheless. It is foolish, and history has shown that it can be dangerous.

[Political Heretic]

20. I stand for Americans. There is nothing about a McCain presidency that helps Americans.

[lastliberalintexas]

24. There's nothing about a McCain presidency that helps the world

An escalation of the war in Iraq and almost certain war with Iran aren't good for any living creatures, regardless of where they may live.


I find it so incredibly ironic that I can vote for the D but so many supporters are saying they can't. Perhaps emotions are just too raw right now, things might settle down a few weeks after the nomination is decided.

[klyon]

49. not ........... It is standing up against the corrupt criminal organization

known as the Republicans. Stand tall, save our country and the Constitution. This may be our last chance. We are letting the right wing media get to us. These criminals must be stopped, letting McBush III win is unforgivable. Sen. Clinton may not be the greatested but the results of 4 more years of rethugs IS the end of our country.

[Cha]

58. Thanks.

No stupid loyalty oaths to a monster for me, either.

[last1standing]

21. I hate the thought but I'll be doing the same thing.

I can't stand her campaign and her twisted sense of entitlement but I'll do anything I can to keep McCain from choosing the next two or three Supreme Court Justices.

[demwing]

22. I'm sorry, I'm an American before a Democrat

And a rational, thinking individual before an American.

I'm not going to be stuck voting for an ass just because we carry the symbol of the donkey.

[Raejeanowl]

25. I Find Myself In An Odd Position

I disagree about who you're calling an ass.

However, I sincerely admire you as an individual who has their priorities in the right order. And I hope you'll never lose sight of them under pressure.

:applause:

[demwing]

33. I offer you an out

I mentioned no names in my post. Let it be a general statement of my intentions, and a condemnation of no one specifically.

[Political Heretic]

28. The fact that I am an American first is exactly why I'd be voting for Clinton

There is nothing about a McCain presidency that helps Americans.

[demwing]

38. I have to say something indelicate here...

With all respect to Hillary's supporters, I no longer see much of a difference between Her and McCain, which is a pill I find bitter to swallow, considering the esteem with which I once viewed her and her husband's service to this country.

[AtomicKitten]

23. I admire your spunk.

I simply cannot cast my vote for her, ever. I vowed a long time ago I would never reward anyone that voted YES on the IWR. The campaign she has run closed the deal on that outcome. I will, however, throw my vote for president third party and vote Dem down-ballot. However, I have every confidence I will be casting my vote for Barack Obama for president, so this is a bridge I firmly believe will remain uncrossed.

[Political Heretic]

29. Well, that's a very principled reason and position - can't argue with that.

[Life Long Dem]

26. They both bother me. McSame and Clinton.

But I think more Republicans seem like they want Clinton than they do McSame.

[Citizen Kang]

27. If you are a Democrat

then vote for one. Hillary is no Democrat. She is a Corporatist who voted for the Iraq War, who voted with the credit and banking industry to strip bankruptcy protection from consumers, who wants to force CORPORATE HEALTH CARE on every American. She does not share the beliefs of true Democrats.

So if you are a Democrat, vote for one. But do not vote for Hillary she is a Democrat in Name Only. Just another extension of the Bush-Clinton crime family.

[Political Heretic]

30. To me, being a Democrat means putting Americans first. That's what I do by voting for the nominee.

[crankychatter]

35. Extremes are necessary to make certain truths more poignant

it's a literary device and you employed it well

I also have a sense of humor and dig a crisp message

but you can either get WITH the movement to alleviate the impact of WAR PROFITEERS ON OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS

OR

get run over

I've been voting against Republicans for 35 years... you want to educate some passionate, idealistic younguns about the "lesser of evils" principle... best of luck.

I don't think passing down this jaded, cynical, loyalty at any price, perspective is particularly useful OR unifying.

You want to see Liberty perish and America, be the chief architect of global, corporate tyranny?

Enjoy that moral grey area... because it will be the epitath of the Democratic Party.

[BklnDem75]

56. Weird...

if the SD's chose Hillary over the will of the people, how exactly are they putting Americans first?

[MADem]

31. Well, that deserves an R. And the favor will be returned by this Clinton supporter if Obama gets

the nod.

[backscatter712]

34. I'll say it again. Don't get worked up over a situation that ain't gonna happen.

Once Obama gets 1627 delegates, which will probably happen on May 20th after the Oregon and Kentucky contests, the superdelegates will move in lockstep to Obama. You really think they're gonna go in a smoke-filled room and deny the nomination to the first African American to get a majority of popular votes? The superdelegates know full well they'll utterly destroy the party by doing that. They'll back Obama.

[Eric Condon]

36. I envy your nose-holding abilities.

I wish I could just buckle down and support her if she's the nominee, but I just can't in good conscience do that.

While I believe in voting for the Democratic nominee, I believe it's more important to vote for the democratic nominee. If we don't even stand for the most fundamental element of democracy - the will of the voters - then we don't deserve to call ourselves the Democratic Party.

I've never in my life even entertained the possibility of supporting anyone other than the Democratic nominee, but if the party is willing to make the statement that they stand with this maniac and her anti-democratic (and anti-Democratic) principles, then they're also making the statement that they're not the party I thought they were.

[krawhitham]

42. Their will be riots in the streets if she steals it

Mark my words

[CadenBlaker]

43. I agree.

I loathe Clinton and her tactics but the same can be said for me. All you "Kyle's" need to realize that regardless of how much you hate, loathe, or dislike either of these candidates, the future of this country, including our constitution and supreme court are too important to put on the line because of dirty campaign tactics.

[melody]

44. Most of DU will vote for the Democrat, even if she steals the nomination via gangland politics

Anyone who doesn't is helping the Republicans further destroy our country.

[Eurobabe]

45. If Hillary steals the nomination, I am handing in my US passport

because America will no longer be a democracy.

Here's what you'll see on my lawn and in my bag:

[Secret_Society]

46. Thank you...a TRUE democrat

any Democrat '08

[susankh4]

47. K&R

It's time to come together!:grouphug:

This next few weeks is going to be hard for all of us.... to watch..... :hurts:

Tempers will flare. Accusations will be hurled. :banghead:

But I am going to remind myself that we are all Democrats. In the end, we are all seeking a more progressive U.S. of A. :patriot:

Don't give up, and don't give in. We are all in it to win it... in November!:yourock:

[bagimin]

50. I'm with you

this should go without saying, shouldn't it?

[tandot]

51. Wow! Thanks, Political Heretic! As a Hillary supporter, I am pretty certain

that Obama will get the nomination. And I'll be happy to vote for him.

because...

I am a DEMOCRAT!!!

I just saw your post on the DUzy Awards. Congrats!!!

[barack the house]

52. Yep, things are that messed up that we'd have to suck it up. In a better time and place we'd vote

Nader or Mckinney. But it ain't so we got to suck it up and carry on. let her sonscience work out the rest. I've read the 10 commandmants and they don't seem to read as Hillary interprets tehm. The voice that tells us something is wrong is god.

[dchill]

53. Why do I have the feeling that you're safe in saying...

that because the nomination is going to Obama, anyway? :hi:

[mmonk]

54. Good for you.

Know what will be in mine?

[Tribetime]

59. I have a better chance of winning the lottery but agree with you

[AZBlue]

60. You'd stand by and let our elections be stolen for a third time running?

Sorry, this country wasn't founded by people who "stood by" and I won't be one of them now either. Taxation without representation didn't go over well then, it isn't going to go over well now. Hillary Clinton is no Democrat, but I am!

[Mezzo]

61. wow. on the serious. wow.

:hug:

[zulchzulu]

62. If Hillary is the nominee, the next President will not be her

If she cheats her way into the nomination, you can count on millions of Democrats NOT voting for her. You can count on even more millions of Repigs that will come out of the woodwork to vote AGAINST the Clintons.

And you know what... having the Clintons lose would be the best thing the Democratic Party could ever have happen to it. That is, what wreckage of a party thats still left...

[WillyT]

63. Yeah... But How Ya Gonna Vote ???

:evilgrin:

[mudesi]

64. You're part of the problem

As long as liberals continue to bend over for these DLC corporatists, they will continue to run the Democratic party.

They need to be sent a clear message: No more taking advantage of the base.

[mudesi]

65. What if George W. Bush was a Democrat?

Would you vote for him?

When the "D" is meaningless, it's meaningless.

[Generic Brad]

66. If she steals the nomination, she's no Democrat

Under that circumstance I cannot in good conscience give her any support. I was devastated when Gore was robbed of the presidency after he got the most votes. I'll never get over it. And I will not condone stealing the nomination within our party.

Now, if she were to win fair and square, she would have my support. But that is not going to happen.

[dailykoff]

67. I wouldn't give a puke free advertising if you put a gun to my head.

Good grief.