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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:16 AM
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Obama accepted oil money, said he didn't (S.F. Chronicle)
San Francisco Chronicle, Thursday, April 24, 2008, buried on page A17:

Sen. Barack Obama continued accepting donations from oil company executives and employees in March even as he aired ads in which he stated he took no oil company money, campaign finance reports show.

Obama has taken at least $263,000 from oil company executives, family members and employees since entering the presidential race last year. At least $140,000 has come in chunks of between $1,000 and $2,3000, the maximum permitted under federal law.

Texas oil executive Robert Cavnar of Milagro Exploration and his wife, Gracie, have helped the Illinois Democrat raise at least another $50,000 by co-hosting a fundraiser.

In the weeks leading up to Tuesday's Pennsylvania primary, Obama aired a campaign spot in Indiana and Pennsylvania that sought to reinforce his theme that he would change the Washington culture, while also tapping into voter distress about the high price of gasoline. In the ad, he called for a windfall profits tax.

"Since the gas lines of the '70s, Democrats and Republicans have talked about energy independence but nothing's changed--except now Exxon's making $40 billion a year and we're paying $3.50 for gas. I'm Barack Obama. I don't take money from oil companies or Washington lobbyists, and I won't let them block change anymore," says the spot, which aired as recently as April 8."


Fast backwards to early last February. Ralph Nadar's Public Citizen released a report that made me doubt the integrity of Mr. Obama and wonder if "change," "hope," and "taking a chance on my own aspirations" might just be the latest Axelrod ad campaign. But lies about lobbyists didn't get any play since the media was already in the tank for Bama. Not since the media foisted that empty suit Bu$h versus Gore on a naive electorate has their been such a push for the corporate-owned media to elect the next President, one that wouldn't be capable of effecting any real change.

Fact Check: Sen. Obama and Lobbyists
2/6/2008 9:44:30 AM

During his speech last night, Sen. Obama continued his negative attacks on Hillary. Among them:

"It's a choice between a candidate who's taken more money from Washington lobbyists than either Republican in this race and a campaign that has not taken a dime of their money."

Sen. Obama's comments come on the same week Public Citizen released a report detailing ten bundlers for Sen. Obama who have registered as federal lobbyists.

Sen. Obama has also taken money from former lobbyists, partners of lobbyists, people who hire lobbyists, lobbyists' spouses, and state lobbyists.


Until he started running for president, Sen. Obama took money from federal lobbyists and, as a state senator, directly from corporations.

http://www.caclean.org/problem/latimes_2007-04-22.php

An Asterisk To Obama's Policy On Donations
A presidential hopeful's refusal of lobbyist money has its limits
By Dan Morgan L.A. Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON. While pledging to turn down donations from lobbyists themselves, Sen. Barack Obama raised more than $1 million in the first three months of his presidential campaign from law firms and companies that have major lobbying operations in the nation's capital.
Portraying himself as a new-style politician determined to reform Washington, Obama makes his policy clear in fundraising invitations, stating that he takes no donations from "federal lobbyists." His aides announced last week he was returning $43,000 to lobbyists who donated to his campaign.
But the Illinois Democrat's policy of shunning money from lobbyists registered to do business on Capitol Hill does not extend to lawyers whose partners lobby there.
Nor does the ban apply to corporations that have major lobbying operations in Washington. And the prohibition does not extend to lobbyists who ply their trade in such state capitals as Springfield, Ill.; Tallahassee, Fla.; and Sacramento, though some deal with national clients and issues.
"Clearly, the distinction is not that significant," said Stephen Weissman of the Campaign Finance Institute, a nonpartisan think tank that focuses on campaign issues.
"He gets an asterisk that says he is trying to be different," Weissman said. "But overall, the same wealthy interests are funding his campaign as are funding other candidates, whether or not they are lobbyists."




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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:20 AM
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1. CBS NEWS: "Clinton Defends Taking Money From Oil Execs: “They’re Americans” Too"
ETHLEHEM, PA. -- During a campaign rally here today, Hillary Clinton defended taking money from people who work at oil companies saying “they’re Americans” and adding that she’s not alone in taking those contributions.

“There has been a lot of back and forth about oil companies in this campaign, and I’ve got to admit that when I first saw that ad that my opponent ran saying that he didn’t take money from oil companies, I thought nobody takes money from oil companies. It’s been illegal for a hundred years,” Clinton said, pointing out that federal candidates aren't allowed to take corporate donations.

“Well the fact is he didn’t take money from oil companies, but you can, and we do, take money from people who work for oil companies, they’re Americans, they can contribute, so we both do that,” Clinton admitted.

Clinton has been under fire by her opponent in this campaign as being too closely linked to special interest groups and he has attacked Clinton for taking money from lobbyists. But it took Clinton no time at all to fire back at Obama over some television advertisements that she claims misrepresent her health care plan.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/20/politics/fromtheroad/entry4029537.shtml

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"Ooooooops! I did it again!"
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:10 AM
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26. Is she running ads claiming not to take money from oil companies like Bama did?
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:32 AM
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39. You're pointing at a kid with a popgun while Hillary is climbing clocktowers to thin out the crowd
ONE fib beside her sea of bullshit? You can't be serious.

This woman is pathological.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:47 AM
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41. We know about Hillary--while Obama tries to hide his taking of oil money!!
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:26 AM
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2. Point is that they are people just like u and me donating as individuals
not as corporation and the candidate, if this is true and I don't think it is, is not indebted to them as a corporation.
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:46 AM
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11. And we all own oil companies!
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:53 AM
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18. We all abundantly support them!
which is also beside the point.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:50 AM
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15. Corporations haven't been allowed to donate for 100 years
This is what Obama cleverly mislead PA voters about in an ad. He never directly lied but the implication was clearly that Clinton took such money when the former law professor knew that was illegal.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:51 AM
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33. What a spin. Good job!
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:31 AM
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3. Specious Posit. Shame.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:34 AM
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4. Crap ... old articles and old history that's been vetted.
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:45 AM
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10. Today's paper and Obama's early April ad claims...he said it himself...
...just like he told America he had only an indirect relationship with Rezko while doing some casework at a law firm.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:53 AM
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34. Nothing to see here. Move along folks.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:35 AM
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5. Employees of corporations to a maximum of $2300 individual donation each.
This story conflates corporate donors with corporation employee donations. Obama's came from the latter. That is a distinction that matters.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:51 AM
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16. 1) It isn't the janitors aren't giving him 2k a pop 2) no one gets corporate money directly
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:06 AM
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24. that's a dumb thing to say, I'm sure they have better paid employees
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:50 AM
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32. Yeah, the executives...
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:36 AM
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6. This article is blatantly misleading
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 12:38 AM by nebula







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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:42 AM
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8. The Chron endorsed Obama...you don't find anything devious
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 12:42 AM by candice
in attending fund raisers organized by oil executives and then making an ad about not taking oil company $$$? The way Obama pretends to be above the lobbyists is disingenuous.

Obama isn't progressive. If he were, the corporate-owned media wouldn't be selling us David Axelrod's latest ad campaign.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:47 AM
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12. Is this an opinion piece or an actual article?
Why don't you provide a direct link?
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:48 AM
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13. NYTIMES endorsed McCain, What's your point?!! WTF, Like WTF
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:58 AM
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43. You Canucks crack me up.
You really do.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:41 AM
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7. Continued attempts to blur line between individuals and lobbyists.
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 12:41 AM by TLM

A guy who works on an oil rig owned by exxon who donates to a candidate, is NOT an oil industry lobbyist or PAC. That's an individual.


Obama never said that he refused money from anybody who had a job in, or related to, the oil industry... he said he won't take money from lobbyists or PACs. Clinton has taken more lobbyist and pac money than even McCain.... so her only shot is to try and spin donations to obama from individuals working in a given industry as if they were the same as the lobbyists and pacs she's taken so much money from.

They're not.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:52 AM
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17. Guys who work on oil rigs don't dole out $2,300
;)
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:55 AM
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19. whoa!!! do you know how much a rough neck pulls in on an off shore rig!??!! wanna restate this one?
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:56 AM
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35. So these are "rough necks" donating? LOL
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:57 AM
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20. The old ploy - accuse the opponent of your own misdeeds.
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 01:16 AM by bhikkhu
The old Rovian ploy, one might say. This has come back again and again in different forms. Obama refuses PAC money, so those who literally bathe each in night foamy oceans of scented PAC money accuse him of accepting PAC money. Please....
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:00 AM
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22. and the bad thing is he can still pull in 25 million monthly without big donors!! This guys a ...
...money machine and Dean isn't gonna give that up or have him even think about running independent.

The whole of Washington can do the same thing but the HRC minded Washingtonians think it's advantages to keep going to people they'll owe big favors for in the end instead of the little guy.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:04 AM
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23. It's politics like when Obama claims Clinton uses the rethug playbook (which he has done)
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 01:04 AM by jackson_dem
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:11 AM
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28. like? thx in advance
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bobbert Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:43 AM
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9. That smug in S.F. must be getting to the author
he got the money 2300 at a time.... hmmmmm, isn't that how much each employee can give on their own. The employees work for the man, but want to fight the man so they give to Obama.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:49 AM
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14. Old crap - he has accepted money from individuals who work in the oil industry.
He has shown remarkable scruples about refusing any support from questionable sources. The support of individuals cannot be construed as equal to PAC money or industry support, both of which every other candidate has readily accepted for many years.
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:11 AM
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27. Who cares where he gets his money, it's his lying ads!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:13 AM
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29. FACT NOT IN DISPUTE: Obama doesn't take money from registerd lobbyist or PACs Hillary does
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:59 AM
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44. Actually, he does accept money from PACs and Lobbyists.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:58 AM
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36. You are wrong. Industries can't donate like you are implying.
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:06 AM
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38. Yep.. whats next.. A Burger king employee give to the campaign. meaning Burger KING endorses Obama
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 02:07 AM by mystieus
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Asgaya Dihi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:59 AM
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21. These might be relevant
The article I'd have to see the sourcing for to make any sense of it, oil company employees for instance would include an awful lot of people other than the mentioned executives. Same applies to the link I include below too though. The guy at the pump in a company owned franchise maybe? I'd have to see how they worked it out to know if it means anything as far as corporate influence as opposed to the guy at the pump.

Best I can tell they all get some from various sources but in scale he's not taking much. The following two links go to open secrets and to roll call for info on endorsements and funding. On oil and gas he gets $266k and her $353k, not too big a difference, but on some of the others such as lobbyists nobody comes even close to Clinton including the repubs. $850k for her and just under $142k for him. You can page through the sections and see for yourself who is getting what from where.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=K02
http://www.rollcall.com/politics/kstendorsements.html
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:08 AM
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25. Is Clinton running an ad claiming not to take lobbyist money or oil money?
We know candidates take lobbyists money, but to attack your opponent while you are playing the same game and pretending to be different is not the kind of belief in my own aspirations that I want to follow.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:20 AM
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30. Hardly the same game, and yes he is different.
Anyone who can't see the difference clearly doesn't care one bit whether there is a difference or not.
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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:22 AM
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31. The real mystery
...is how you avoided my Ignore button for so long?

*plonk*
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:01 AM
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37. It's an indisputable fact that Obama takes money from PACs, and Lobbyists
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 02:02 AM by DerekJ
According to every organization that tracks candidate funding sources, it shows Obama took a whopping $250. That's two hundred and fifty bucks. I mean come on, Obama would have been broke without those $250 bucks, right?!!
:rofl:

GET A LIFE. And for once, think for yourself.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:25 AM
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40. I continue to wonder what is up with that $250.
Does anyone know why there is that one PAC donation?
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:55 AM
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42. Oh, what happened to the "Transparency Platform"???
Just as people have been saying for months, just another beltway insider empty suit.
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