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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:01 AM
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Why does Hillary create so much turmoil around herself and her campaign?
Damn, I can see why so many Democrats say they won't vote for the other candidate if their candidate don't win the primary.

Except for Bush, I have never seen a politician create more hatred and divisiveness around themselves and their campaign than Hillary has.

If she can do all this in one campaign cycle, I would hate to see what this country would look like after eight years under her. God, save us from Hillary.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:03 AM
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1. She's not really run a chaotic campaign....
There have been a few missteps, a few mistakes, but I think she's run a pretty good campaign.

DUers like to magnify the mistakes of either candidate. Out in the real world, people are nearly as preocuppied with this primary (and the faubles of the candidates) as DUers are.

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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:06 AM
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2. I know life long Democrats that are now full of rage because of what has gone on here. I wish it
were only DU. Trust me, many a true Democratic activists are banging their heads in the wall right now.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:09 AM
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4. That whole pissing away $100 million, and losing 12 straight states, and
getting her ass handed to her by a freshman senator notwithstanding, she's done a great job!
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:32 AM
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10. The critical "errors"
were inflexibly planning for a coronation blitz and getting surprised. That could happen to any big concept machinery. What you are seeing now can also happen to any determined candidate with a re-calibrated losing effort using all those huge resources as they were never intended to be used. the human reactions, striking out, gaffes under pressure and public perceptions are all things that just happen in one way or another to anyone in her present position.

The awesome failure and doom cannot really take away from the strong effort. Candidates are expected to crumble and submit, but since that system was virtually the dream child of the establishment base support of Hillary, her sudden switch to a democracy marathon has been something both brilliant and ironic in political terms, no special need to call it hypocrisy. It has been a power candidacy and not a blowout as many would have suspected- or hoped. Power with a will has dug in against its own imposed logic. She had the support and resources to make that happen- and did.

For all that, without the cynical "support" of the MSM and GOP that vastly enjoy the luxury of tearing her down simultaneously, her campaign likely would have imploded on its own merits by now. That is my opinion and likely a mean one, but there is little reason or fairness to adequately contemplate what another kind of campaign would have produced which result. She has run a strong campaign, without a doubt, but she started out with a fatal bargain with Ultimate Doom she chose to ignore.

The general failing of party leaders to end the negativity is in fact the biggest failure of the season.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:07 AM
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3. She didn't create it. The Media did.
Anything she does or says gets roundly criticized by the talking heads who want to sound so smart. They make it about themselves not the candidate. If they can spend a whole hour blasting someone else it makes their day. They do it to Obama also. It all depends on which way the wind is blowing that particular day. They are an equal opportunity monster. Now if they would just let the Democrats alone and go after that off-the-wall McCain I could live with them. He has so much baggage that we will never hear about.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:11 AM
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5. Dime store psychology but Could it be the need for chaos/disorder

reflected in some alcoholics/children of dysfunctional families? That they're not comfortable when things are stable? Look at Bill Clinton, I think the whole Monica mess was his need for risk, danger...
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:21 AM
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7. Your point is well taken. I came from such a family and know first hand that we often have choices
to make, when it comes to conducting our lives. One path takes us toward peace, and the other path takes toward fight, struggle, turmoil, and conflict.

I think the crux of the matter is how we go about obtaining our goal.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:39 AM
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12. he actually talks about this in his book...
and on Oprah. He mentions the dysfunction that lead to his affair. I respected him for admitting something wasn't quite right about it. I also stood up for him--even though I like many other Democratic supporters were pissed as hell. I took much bruising from rwing family members and now, I just have to wonder, was it really worth it?
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:12 AM
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6. because the only thing important to hillary
is getting the power she feels is rightfully hers. No act is too vile if it furthers that effort.
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greenvpi Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:29 AM
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8. She doesn't !
The media does.

Stop buying the repuke lies. You sound like you like them a bit too much.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:32 AM
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9. She effects some people on our side the way she affects freepers.
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 08:39 AM by QC
There's something seriously pathological about it. I mean, there have been lots of politicians over the years that I haven't liked, but all-consuming, red-in-the-face hatred is another thing entirely. It says more about the hater than the hated.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:39 AM
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11. Oh, please!!!
The media has trashed Hillary for months and magnified every little negative thing about her. Frankly, it's been a pretty clean campaign, as far as these things go.

Obama may yet win the nomination, but there's plenty of doubts as to whether he could win the GE. The list of reasons is pretty long and getting longer.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:42 AM
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13. entitlement. her campaign has reeked of entitlement.
What changed is when she didn't get it on Super Tuesday. Her house of cards started to fall and she has had trouble ever since getting them to stack up the way they were. Sadly, she will never get them to stack the way they were. People have seen change and they don't want to go back to the 90's (that is, a majority of people) nor do they want to deal with a president who talks down to you like a scolding mother.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:44 AM
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14. Because she's a fighter! Sadly, tho, she never wins any fights
According to her, she's been fighting Republicans for years, with nary a victory to show for it.

I've known people like her -- their lives are a never-ending drama, almost like they relish the dissension. Hillary is just doing it on a grander scale and forcing us to watch.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:08 AM
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17. I know people like that also. Always the next drama waiting around the corner. Jumping over mole
hills with a poll vault stick. And of course our soap opera msm loves this stuff.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:52 AM
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15. She's run an amazing
campaign when you take into consideration all that has been thrown at her.
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Heathen57 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:21 PM
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18. Every problem that Hillary
has had in the campaign has been brought on her by her or one of her minions. Just because the Obama camp and/or the MSM picked up on it wasn't their fault.

The biggest majority of her problems have been from backlash when she would try and push racist and other negative remarks against Obama.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:58 AM
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16. She's the victim
of the media and can do no wrong :sarcasm:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:21 PM
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19. It's called triangulation. She plays one group against the other for political gain
It's why we lost the house and senate during the Clinton years.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:22 PM
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20. Because she wants to. n/t
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:57 PM
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21. She wants the nomination for herself and her husband, not for the American people. IMO eom
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