Hillary's mystical math

[MadHound]

Well, in another case of moving the goalposts, Hillary is now stating that the super delegates should vote for the person who wins the most popular votes, never mind the pledged delegate count. Further compounding that move, she is now blatantly lying and stating that she currently has the most popular votes. How does she come to this laughable conclusion? By counting the popular votes she won in Florida and Michigan. Yep, that's right, by counting the votes of two states which were disqualified, which according to party rules can't seat delegates. Furthermore, neither candidate campaigned in these two states, and Obama, but not Hillary, withdrew his name from the Michigan ballot. Essentially Hillary ran unopposed in Michigan, so naturally she would receive more votes.

But to contend that the popular votes from these two contested primaries should be counted as is is ludicrous. First of all by doing so Hillary will be going against the rules of the party, and her own stated word. Second of all, counting the votes in an disqualified primary is disingenuous, it isn't a true reflection of the people's preferences in either state.

But what's really disturbing is that this is simply one more indication that Hillary is willing to win by any means possible, even if it means breaking the rules, disenfranchising voters, and going against her own party. And if, by doing this, she gains the nomination, what she and her supporters seem unable, or unwilling to comprehend, is that she will be pissing off a large amount of voters who would otherwise vote Democratic, and thus throw the election to McCain.

Look, if Hillary wants to stick through with this thing until the bitter end, fine, that's her right. If she wants to make the case that the super delegates should vote the way of the popular vote, fine. But don't go lying and trying to manipulate the popular vote in order to steal the primary. That's wrong, and that will doom us to McCain. Hell, I think that having the SD's go with the popular vote rather than the delegate count will do the same. But the fact of the matter now is that Obama is ahead in both delegates and the popular vote(by 500,000). Hillary should play tough, but fair, and not sacrifice the party on the altar of her greed, ego and ambition.
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[Mr. Hawk]

1. HRC is still on top

the real fundamental problem here is that Hillary got cheated out of Florida and Michigan, which were states where she would have scored big early victories EVEN IF BHO had been campaigning there. And I think the superdels will keep this in mind when they make their final pick -- no matter how you do the math.

[aein]

3. Cheated out of Michigan and Florida? By who?

You mean by the idiotic officials who decided to move up their primaries in violation of party rules?

[MadHound]

4. You do not know that! Nobody does!

You are simply making gross speculation from your POV. Hell, right now there are polls out showing that if the MI primary were done today, Obama would win.

Neither state's primary was a legitimate showing of the will of those people, and frankly, unless they tack on another few weeks at the end of primary season to have do-overs, those states' results are unreliable and shouldn't be counted towards anything.

[cali]

6. She didn't get cheated out of anything, though I know that's the

current fav hillbot line. Hillary agreed with the DNC FL and MI measures against their infractions. Hell, one her top supporters voted for it as a member of the DNC Rules committee. And sorry, SDs have signaled clearlly that though they are taking the FL popular vote into consideration they aren't doing so re MI. The SD trend is clear. They're going for Obama. Short of a complete implosion, he will be their choice.

Hilly ran a for shit campaign. She had every advantage. It shouldn't have even been close.

[bowens43]

7. what a breathtakingly stupid post.

Let me ask you something newbie, how logins do you have on this site?

[redqueen]

8. God Almighty... another one?

[RiverStone]

10. And if it was not for early voting in CA. - this would be over already

You can't compare how Hillary would have done when Obama was an unknown entity to most - it is a very different scenario now.

Hillary did not get cheated, the voters did. And they have no one to blame except the arrogant fucks which told the DNC that they refused to follow the rules.

Too bad nobody can work out a redo.

[damntexdem]

11. She agreed to the rules, so she cheated herself.

She didn't think she would need FL and MI. She was wrong. Now she wants to go back on her agreement.

Still, let's all tear up and cry for the poor baby! Then let's start ignoring Hillary and take on the real enemy: McCain.

[Cheap_Trick]

15. on top of what?

she is behind in every category. On top of old smokey, perhaps?

[redqueen]

16. Hahaha... when I saw your subject line...

I wanted to answer: old smokey, all covered with cheese.

:P

[Skink]

2. Supreme court anyone.

[MadHound]

5. Oh man, let's not even go there again

You saw what hapened last time that shit happened.

[LakeSamish706]

9. Thats why I wish the SD's would step in soon and end this madness....

Clinton is bound and determined to make certain that Obama is not the nominee even though she has no chance of beating him.

[bunnies]

12. Wait... I thought the SD's should "vote their conscience"

NOW she wants them to vote with the popular vote? Are you frigging kidding me?

Thanks Hil. You just wrecked one of your supporters' favorite arguments. woot! :thumbsup:

[MadHound]

13. Yep, she keeps moving the target, more and more frequently as she becomes more and more desperate

It really would be a funny sight, in a sad and pathetic sort of way, except for the fact that her bullshit has real consequences for the rest of the country, none of them good.

[bunnies]

14. I just keep thinking about her campaing whining

at Pelosi suggesting SD's should vote with the pledged delegates. Not to mention that nasty letter her biggest fans wrote wherein they threatened the DNC if Pelosi didnt take it back.

They made such a HUGE stink out of the whole damn thing... and now they're turning around and doing EXACTLY what they were whining about. It blows my mind. And on top of that... they're basing their entire logic on faux-facts by ignoring rules they already agreed to.

She will do absolutely anything to win this nomination at any costs. She's toying with and manipulating the entire process for her benefit.

I honestly dont understand how people can know this and still support her. Its inconceivable to me on so many levels.