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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:19 PM
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Hillary Clinton connects with N.C. voters on experience and character



Helen Currin sat on the bleachers in Methodist University’s gymnasium in Fayetteville, North Carolina, nearly 10 rows back, and looked out on the crowd below.

They were plastered with red and blue Hillary Clinton campaign stickers, standing on their feet, cheering as the senator took the stage.

Some were stargazers, wanting nothing more than to say they saw the former first lady. Some were Methodist students, amazed that a presidential candidate chose to stop at their school. Some were undecided voters, hoping to hear the words that will sway them.






And some, like Currin, were rabid Hillary Rodham Clinton supporters who believe that, even against mounting odds, their candidate is fated for the presidency.

“This is why she doesn’t quit,” Currin said, motioning toward the crowd. “She’d be letting down a lot of people.”

She is, according to Currin, a strong candidate who knows the next president will face the greatest challenge since Franklin D. Roosevelt occupied the White House.







Hendersonville resident Sharon Drake posted up outside the Asheville Civic Center at 9 a.m. to make sure she had a front row seat to hear presidential candidate Hillary Clinton speak.

“It’s important I get down in front,” the 60-year-old woman said. “To shake hands with her would be the ultimate. It would make my decade.”

Paul Orta, of Hendersonville, accompanied Drake near the entrance of the Civic Center. They waited until noon before others joined them.

Angella Bishop, of Inman, S.C., sat on a bench in front of the building with three other women. She said she watched former president Bill Clinton speak when he stomped through Asheville this year. She's excited to hear his wife’s speech.

“I think she’s going to win, and I think she’s got the most experience,” said Bishop, who made the 50-minute trip into downtown Asheville. “I think she’s eons ahead of Barack Obama in experience and character.”








Clinton, supporters say, is a candidate with solutions. She’s a tested politician with steely convictions. And she’s exceedingly candid.

At least that’s how Mike McGuinness found her. McGuinness, a lawyer from Elizabethtown who frequently represents law enforcement officers, joined 10 state troopers for a private question and answer session with the senator before she took the stage at Methodist.

He said the troopers were surprised at how directly Clinton addressed their concerns: the need for public sector collective bargaining legislation and a stronger interpretation of the First Amendment to protect whistle blowers.

“She’s not just another back-slap politician,” McGuinness said.








“The day I retired from the military, I became a third-class citizen,” one man told her during a question-and-answer session. “I just wanted to thank you for what you’re doing for the veterans.”

Fayetteville is located next to the U.S. Army’s Fort Bragg, and Clinton spent much of her time discussing the difficulties faced by veterans. Surrounded by several retired military officials, Clinton promised to bolster a broad range of veterans programs from health care and tuition assistance to home loans.

She was cheered when she mentioned the shortcomings of Tricare, the military health plan.







When troops come home, Clinton told the veterans, they deserve better medical services.

“There’s been a shameful neglect of the needs of many of our veterans,” she said.

Clinton said she would create a more seamless connection between the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Defense Department to help keep veterans from falling through the cracks and to help reduce the backlog of disability claims from veterans. She also wants to create a GI Bill of Rights for the 21st century.

And the troops will need jobs, she said. Clinton supports expanding the Helmets to Hardhats program, which links veterans with jobs in construction and trade industries.







She scored points with Valerie Quick, the 46-year-old owner of a small computer business in Fayetteville and the wife of a disabled veteran.

"The Clintons did a very good job of taking care of the working man," Quick said.

As for Obama?

"I don't think he has enough experience. He doesn't have enough years behind him," she said.







Sen. Clinton reinforced her view that America needed to begin a withdrawal from Iraq and reengage in the world. But she became most passionate when speaking about the need to cut through red tape to provide care for uniformed personnel when they are deployed and when they return, both economically and medically. (http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/04/hrc_to_obama_de.html)

"You can't just use an ordinary pair of scissors," she said. "You gotta get the full heavy duty pair out, because it seems as though there is a deliberate effort to put as many roadblocks as possible in the way of our young men and women who have returned from their service to get the health care, the compensation and the other assistance to which they are entitled.

Clinton took questions from some of the audience, several of which came from military family members who were having difficulty with health care. One woman also asked Clinton if she could kiss her daughter, who had Tourette's syndrome. Clinton began speaking to the girl when she had an outburst. "Some people have that reaction to me," Clinton said, proceeding to give her a kiss.









Sen. Hillary Clinton, later, told a raucous and inspired Asheville crowd Thursday that as commander in chief she would end the war in Iraq while enacting universal health care and reviving a faltering economy.

Flanked by retired generals and with a backdrop reading “Solutions for a Strong Military,” the former first lady was repeatedly interrupted by standing ovations with thunderous applause inside the Asheville Civic Center’s Thomas Wolfe Auditorium.

One such outburst came with her pledge to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq within 60 days of becoming president.

“We must restore our moral authority around the world. That begins by ending the war in Iraq,” she said. “I will begin withdrawing our troops, and I will tell the Iraqis they must step up.”

Some 2,500 people packed the auditorium while hundreds more couldn’t get in. Attendees waived signs reading, “Welcome Madam Future President,” “Asheville Loves Hillary” and “Rural Country = Clinton Country.”








Clinton campaigned with eight senior retired military officers, including Gen. Hugh Shelton, a native North Carolinian and the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Speaking at Methodist University, Clinton gave a 30-minute speech focused on military and economic issues.

"We need a commander-in-chief who is ready on Day One to keep our country safe, who understands that we have to manage the economy and support the middle class in America," Clinton said. "They do go hand in hand."

“We have the greatest military in the world, but it should be used as a last resort not a first resort.”






"If she has to pull the trigger, General Shelton and I know she'll pull it," Brigadier General John Watkins told a boisterous crowd in Asheville, a liberal enclave in more conservative western North Carolina. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/25/clinton-touts-commander-in-chief-credentials/)

Native Tar Heel and former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Hugh Shelton made his debut campaign appearance on behalf of Clinton saying he had a "deep and abiding concern" for members of the military.

"Few members of Congress can claim a better record on behalf of those who serve our country," Shelton said, as he stood in front of a 'Solutions for a Strong Military' banner. "Senator Clinton is the only candidate in the running for president of the United States that has the wherewithal and the leadership ability to carry America back to its rightful place."





“She understands the impact of endless commitments on our service personnel and their families,” he said. “She is the only candidate to offer a responsible plan for ending the war in Iraq.

“We need a president who will return America to its rightful place as the leader of all nations. We need to make her the next president of the United States.”

"She is the only candidate who has offered a responsible plan for bringing our troops home with honor," said Shelton, who served from 1997 until 2001 under the Clinton and Bush administrations. "She truly understands the need for a partnership with nations all around the globe – a partnership that will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with our troops."





Clinton never mentioned her Democratic opponent Barack Obama during her 30-minute speech or during a question-and-answer session afterward.

She did, however, take the time to chide the presumptive Republican nominee.

"I have great respect for Sen. McCain," Clinton said, "but he has the wrong ideas about where to go next in America."

A large number of people attending the campaign rally were veterans or family members of veterans. Clinton assured them that she would work for their best interests by ending the practice of stop-loss – the policy of extending a soldier's active-duty service to prevent troop shortages.

Clinton also said she wants the federal government to do more to help veterans find work, stay healthy and recover from trauma.

"As we bring them home (from Iraq), we will take care of them," she said. "There has been a shameful neglect of our veterans in recent years."










North Carolina is home to the Marine Corps' Camp Lejeune and the Army's Fort Bragg, two massive installations whose troops have suffered heavy losses in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Clinton told an audience of several hundred people, including many military families, about her plans to improve life for veterans and said she wants to bring troops home from Iraq "as responsibly and quickly as we can."

"This will not be easy," she said. "There are no quick solutions to the dilemmas we face and the consequences that are likely to flow from whatever actions are taken."






4/24/2008
Hillary Clinton Outlines Solutions to Strengthen America’s Military
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=7299
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:21 PM
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1. Thanks For Another Great One - K&R
:-)
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:22 PM
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2. Hillary has no charecter
and on May 6th she is going to have her unethical ass handed to her on a platter.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:22 PM
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3. And you have no class,
As far as I know...
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:31 PM
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94. If Hillary is able to connect with them, why did she have to use the phony accent? n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:07 PM
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135. immation is the best form of honoring them. it is a way of connecting with people.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #135
148. OMFG. BWA-HA! Yeah, and insulting Obama supporters is really complimenting them. n/t
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 08:44 AM by PoliticalAmazon
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #148
165. i did not insult you.
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cjsmom44 Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:25 PM
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7. RE; I SECOND THAT


IT'S OVER HILLARY

IT'S TOO LATE

YOU WILL GET YOUR DUE...

THE DNC HAS YOUR NUMBER

AND YOU ARE COMING UP SHORT

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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:28 PM
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11. You are in for a VERY big
disappointment. She is our next President!!

Go Hillary!!
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #11
47. that would indeed be a big disappointment-

but she will not be.

:hi:

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clevbot Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:06 PM
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58. next president, not even next nominee...
I don't think she should drop out though... Why do you think there has been this call for SD's to hold their endorsements??????? Because their endorsements will stop Hillary's momentum. Yes, I think she can win Indiana and pull closer in NC, but those states will not be able to provide enough elected delegates for her to make it close. So they are sending out surrogates to stop the SD endorse(presumably of Obama), so that she can continue the republican style attacks on Obama, and to simply say the republican will do the same in the GE is a flawed argument, at least I think so, I thought Democrats were better than republicans tactics. I thought we were better than FAUX NEWS, I wish Obama wouldn't help the ratings of their 'news' organization. Barack hasn't won yet, but he can't lose. You have to admit, that when Obama becomes the nominee we are going to have to come together so he won't be 'Mcgoverned'. Also, Mcgovern stated that one of the biggest reasons he believes he lost to Nixon, was dirt thrown on him, used by repukes in the GE... imagine that
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #58
124. oh get a grip. If she uses 'repug' tactics as you say--they so does obama.
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:23 PM
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4. Nothing like
a heavily slanted press release.

It just oozes with... something... not sure what.

Oh yeah, calculated bullshit, that's it.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:26 PM
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9. Oh, and the press releases and comments from nutjob pro-Obama
sites are sooooooooooooooooooooo honest and sincere...typical double-standard from a Bot. Again.
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #9
23. I would rather be a bot thsn a sheep
Cause sheep always get sheared and then sold for slaughter.

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:22 PM
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62. "slaughter"? Interesting metaphor of your view of Clinton supporters.
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:41 PM
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72. I wasn't talking about her supporters
I was talking about ALL of us.

She has been revealed to be a member of a church that wants to bring about armageddon. I fear her even more than I do the current armageddon loving freak in the white house.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:08 PM
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98. You include yourself in the sheep?
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #72
127. The Methodist Church does not want to bring about Armageddon.
Try another lie.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:21 PM
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100. Please restrict references to craziness to Hillary Clinton....
...She is clearly unstable, blubbering one minute, threatening to nuke Iran the next. Insulting Obama one minute, maneuvering for the VP slot the next.

She's a loon. Get her on medications or get her out of the race. She is dangerous.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:13 PM
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116. Please restrict references to craziness to BHO.....
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:03 AM
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150. It's not Obama who threatens Iran with nuclear obliteration. Hillary is a LOON. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:43 AM
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160. parsing words out of context is what the RW and fox do best. Congrats. you are one of them.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:24 PM
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5. Hillary is a big phony with lipstick on her overrbite
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:25 PM
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8. What a thoughtful & intellectual analysis!
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:33 PM
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17. ya keep trying to pretend like she has experience and character because she doesn't
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. Again! You should be on TV.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:34 PM
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21. well the Clintons have Baghdad Bob working their propaganda so it would only be fair
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 12:39 PM by Lord Helmet
corrected because nitpicking spelling is all the Clinton creeps have
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:35 PM
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22. So who is Bagdad Bob (sic)?
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #18
63. well
:spray:
:-)
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:27 PM
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93. Those ratings would suck BIG TIME
only the brain-dead would tune in
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #93
102. It would be like
The Vegetarian Barbecue Channel
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:54 PM
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97. Ooooh!
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 06:55 PM by JoFerret
Lipstick. Oh no.
And Obama is a big-eared skinny poopiehead! And he has cooties.

For chrissakes.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:25 PM
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6. Strong Military...
Great theme for connecting with Republicans and disconnecting from Democrats.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:29 PM
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12. Clinton and Obama court military vote
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:31 PM
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15. yeah, and?
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 12:35 PM by Labors of Hercules
It's not the same thing to ask for military votes as it is to embrace a "strong military" platform. I guarantee you won't see a "strong military" banner behind him, no matter who he's talking to.

It really pisses me off when people talk like two things are the same when they aren't. It only demonstrates their stupidity.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:39 PM
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31. he's no pacifist
from 2007 address: http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070701faessay86401/barack-obama/renewing-american-leadership.html


As Roosevelt built the most formidable military the world had ever seen, his Four Freedoms gave purpose to our struggle against fascism. Truman championed a bold new architecture to respond to the Soviet threat -- one that paired military strength with the Marshall Plan and helped secure the peace and well-being of nations around the world. As colonialism crumbled and the Soviet Union achieved effective nuclear parity, Kennedy modernized our military doctrine, strengthened our conventional forces, and created the Peace Corps and the Alliance for Progress. They used our strengths to show people everywhere America at its best.


{snip}


We must use this moment both to rebuild our military and to prepare it for the missions of the future. We must retain the capacity to swiftly defeat any conventional threat to our country and our vital interests. But we must also become better prepared to put boots on the ground in order to take on foes that fight asymmetrical and highly adaptive campaigns on a global scale.

We should expand our ground forces by adding 65,000 soldiers to the army and 27,000 marines. Bolstering these forces is about more than meeting quotas. We must recruit the very best and invest in their capacity to succeed. That means providing our servicemen and servicewomen with first-rate equipment, armor, incentives, and training -- including in foreign languages and other critical skills. Each major defense program should be reevaluated in light of current needs, gaps in the field, and likely future threat scenarios. Our military will have to rebuild some capabilities and transform others. At the same time, we need to commit sufficient funding to enable the National Guard to regain a state of readiness.

Enhancing our military will not be enough. As commander in chief, I would also use our armed forces wisely. When we send our men and women into harm's way, I will clearly define the mission, seek out the advice of our military commanders, objectively evaluate intelligence, and ensure that our troops have the resources and the support they need. I will not hesitate to use force, unilaterally if necessary, to protect the American people or our vital interests whenever we are attacked or imminently threatened.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:47 PM
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110. Exactly! How dare she call for a "strong military" -- we all know us Democrats...
are in favor of a WEAK MILITARY. Dr. "In-the-tank-for-Obama" Dean should expel her from the Party on this alone! :eyes:
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:05 PM
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113. Bigtree is right on this one. Obama has already articulated a strong military platform (and I agree)
The military needs rebuilding and Obama is proposing expanding it by about 100k. He goes down well with vets; I don't think anyone on the right is going to be able to accuse him of hating the military.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:28 PM
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10. Hendersonville? Its a "snow bird" community. mostly white elderly
lots of blue hairs there.

Sheesh.

Demographics
As of the census<1> of 2000, there were 10,421 people, 4,579 households, and 2,555 families residing in the city. The population density was 1,749.7 people per square mile (675.0/km²). There were 5,181 housing units at an average density of 870.0/sq mi (335.6/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 81.44% White, 12.54% African American, 0.28% Native American, 0.73% Asian, 0.01% Pacific Islander, 3.48% from other races, and 1.52% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 9.09% of the population.

There were 4,579 households out of which 20.7% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 39.6% were married couples living together, 12.9% had a female householder with no husband present, and 44.2% were non-families. 40.1% of all households were made up of individuals and 22.1% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.10 and the average family size was 2.80.

In the city the population was spread out with 28.9% under the age of 18, 17.5% from 18 to 24, 22.8% from 25 to 44, 19.3% from 45 to 64, and 23.2% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 45 years. For every 100 females there were 82.8 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 76.6 males.

The median income for a household in the city was $30,357, and the median income for a family was $39,111. Males had a median income of $30,458 versus $22,770 for females. The per capita income for the city was $19,926. About 13.3% of families and 16.8% of the population were below the poverty line, including 27.5% of those under age 18 and 10.5% of those age 65 or over.

Hendersonville has the nick name of "Hendo" by local residents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendersonville,_North_Carolina
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:30 PM
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14. the best response you have is to belittle the citizens there?
pathetic.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:41 PM
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33. Yeah, but you're not from North Carolina.
So, you shouldn't be suprised that they don't like Hillary there.
She won't win there, so don't get mad at me.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:45 PM
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37. these folks seem to like her
. . . even if you don't. Stay tuned.

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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:15 PM
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91. I'm from NC, and Hillary has a lot more support here than you think.
Hillary supporters just aren't as loud and obnoxious as the Obama supporters so the Hillary supporters are not paid much attention. Keep thinking she has no support, keep thinking that the African-American vote is all Obama needs in NC, keep thinking that NC's Hispanic population has not exploded since the last census and will not be a factor in the NC primaries.....yeah, keep thinking all of that.

bigtree - as always, an excellent post. K and R
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:22 PM
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101. I have a GOP aunt and uncle in Charlotte. They are voting Dem (Obama) this election. n/t
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:28 PM
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106. And? I can count 12 Hillary votes in my NC family...that have already been cast. nt
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:01 AM
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149. Has your family been life-long Republicans? Worked as GOP fundraisers?. n/t
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:09 AM
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158. Uh yeah...my dad has actually held an elected office as a republican.
4 of the votes I counted were and still are life long republicans.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:30 PM
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13. She is an amazing woman....
Thanks for posting. She's going to be the best President!! I'm so proud to be one of her millions of supporters.

Go Hillary!!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:00 PM
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50. !!!!
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:32 PM
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16. Character? Try TravelGate, SniperGate, Pac $, Lobbyist $, "Screw" white working class, in bed w/FOX,
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:34 PM
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20. Be sure to check out Obama on Fox News Sunday.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:36 PM
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24. You won't see Axelrod praising them like McCauliffe did. She's the corporate darling now.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:38 PM
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29. Maybe after a favorable interview... he will.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:56 PM
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112. BHO= pastorGate, Resco, Takes big $$ from Pharm & Oil, vote Present ect ect
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:34 PM
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19. This woman has guts.
She may just turn out to be one of the best presidents this country has ever known.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:37 PM
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26. She absolutely will....
She is beyond amazing.

Go Hillary!!
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:37 PM
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27. Does she have the "guts" to give up her corporate PAC and Lobbyist $ ??
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:25 PM
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120. Phony Obama accepts his own big money--he just tries to hide it.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:37 PM
Original message
hard to believe you have a Edwards avatar, I think he would be embarrassed at your support of Hillar
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:42 PM
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35. that's a habit with your candidate and many of his supporters
. . . claiming you know what others think and believe.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:44 PM
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36. ya well I must have been dreaming when Edwards reamed her over her lobbyist connections
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:46 PM
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38. I don't see him in your candidate's camp, so . . .
glass houses
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:48 PM
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41. his top people and most of his supporters now support Obama
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:53 PM
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44. good for them
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:35 PM
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66. Most of Edwards supporters in the O Camp? I think not. And neither Elizabeth or John has endorsed
him but they have both endorsed Hillary's healthcare plan and John has stated that Hillary is more of a "fighter" and has more "toughness" than Obama.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:58 PM
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48. Edwards embarassed over little old me? As long as Hillary is following Edwards lead on
universal healthcare, poverty resolution, increasing the min. wage for middle class americans and ending the Iraq war, I'll take my chances. I have seen Hillary pick up where Edwards left off and I commend her for it.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:01 PM
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51. He hit him hard on the Reagan stuff and his pacifist approach to dealing with the republicans
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 01:02 PM by bigtree
“When you think about what Ronald Reagan did to the American people, to the middle class to the working people,” said John Edwards today on the campaign trail.

“He was openly – openly – intolerant of unions and the right to organize. He openly fought against the union and the organized labor movement in this country. He openly did extraordinary damage to the middle class and working people, created a tax structure that favored the very wealthiest Americans and caused the middle class and working people to struggle every single day. The destruction of the environment, you know, eliminating regulation of companies that were polluting and doing extraordinary damage to the environment.”

“I can promise you this: this president will never use Ronald Reagan as an example for change.”
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:02 PM
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53. he would have endorsed her if he agreed with you, which he obviously does not
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 01:04 PM by Lord Helmet
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:37 PM
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25. NIce post!!
I think that the supposition she will win is wrong, but this is a very good post, Bigtree!!

:patriot:
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:37 PM
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28. This is exactly why Hillary is 30+ points behind in North Carolina.
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 12:42 PM by Major Hogwash
She tries to sound like she gives a shit about veterans and active members of the military.

Won't work.

There aren't enough photo-ops in the world to make up for her "ducking sniper fire" lie.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:38 PM
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30. I was just wondering why the media doesn't report that
I guess states she loses don't count
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:40 PM
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32. I challenge you to show ANY evidence of that connection among voters there
I'm not holding my breath
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:45 AM
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161. That explains the smell
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:41 PM
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34. SurveyUSA has it in single digits...
30 Points?

That would be a lie...
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:24 PM
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65. "Major Hogwash" is right. Your handle fits your b.s. to a tee.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:23 PM
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118. you talk as though all military folks are vindictive, unforgiving and holding
a petty grudge. Shame on you for projecting your own pettiness onto our military!!

She has apologized and people who are mature will accept the apology and move on.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:46 PM
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39. Expereince? Here we go again. WHAT experience ADVANTAGE?? NOTHING major.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:47 PM
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40. Thank you for another beautiful piece, bigtree! nt
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:49 PM
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42. Oh man, kissing the girl with Tourettes--totally sweet. THAT is why this campaign should go on.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:55 PM
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46. .
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 01:03 PM by bigtree
or, are you serious? can't tell. :shrug:

iT WAS sWEET.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:01 PM
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52. Completely serious. Not saying Hillary can win, but that's not the only thing campaigns are about.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:03 PM
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54. aww. well, that's nice
and I'm an ass :hi:
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:04 PM
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55. I have just one thing to say to you...
:grouphug:
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:53 PM
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43. You must be kidding!
Character? That makes no sense. Anyone who has done what she has done, lied, slung mud, refused to condemn the adds the repugs were running in NC, has no character in my book!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:54 PM
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45. everybody
has a book
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:21 PM
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164. you have a one-page book--open it up and it says.......
I HATE HILLARY.


not too cool.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:59 PM
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49. These people must not know
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:33 PM
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123. lucky for them they are not near your HATE.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:04 PM
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56. Thanks, bigtree. I always look forward to your posts.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:39 PM
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68. you're very welcome
I thoroughly enjoy posting them
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:06 PM
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57. I take issue with the character statement in the piece.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:16 PM
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61. so would I
If I bought the opposition's spin against her. She's the same person who I put my trust in months ago, despite the statements and the opportunistic twisting of her statements and positions to make it appear that she's on some different plane than Barack Obama. They are two sides of the same coin. I know her better than I do Obama, because of the years in the public eye on a senatorial and international level (personal too) and I trust that knowledge much more than I do the scarcity of information I have about what to expect from the younger senator from Illinois.

NONE of the political bull that has been thrown around changes ANYTHING I already knew about these candidates. They BOTH have my vote against McCain.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:07 PM
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59. Great turnout, great speech
Bring them home from Iraq.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:38 PM
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125. People are excited to come out to listen.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:07 PM
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60. Fort Bragg and Fayetteville, NC. My old stomping grounds!
:woohoo:

I love that sign in the background: Today I Voted for the First Woman President. How's That for Change?



Thanks, bigtree. Your posts are my daily dose of healthy optimism. :hi:
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:24 PM
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64. The closest I got to Ft. Bragg was Ft. Jackson, :-) Those are great pics, aren't they?
:patriot: :-)
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:54 PM
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78. They are great pics! I miss Fort Bragg so much, but I love my home in Oregon more.
:patriot:
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:38 PM
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67. Nice post, great pics!
Glad to see a nice positive pro-active Hillary thread. Very cute segment about the girl with Tourette's

-yodermon, Obama supporter.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:41 PM
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69. Who did the pant-suited chipmunk threaten with obliteration today?
Or is it still Iran in the crosshairs of her hunting rifle?

:eyes:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:42 PM
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73. inspiring
'hope and unity'
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:46 PM
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75. Disgusting
..promising more of "shock and awe"...

What kind of Democrat threatens another country with total nuclear annihilation like that?

Not a Democrat I want to see in the Oval Office that's for damned sure...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:58 PM
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81. political rhetoric
something which the Obama camp is heavily engaged in as well.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:00 PM
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84. Remind me again...which country has Obama threatened with total destruction?
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 02:01 PM by truebrit71
...It's okay...I'll wait for you to get your answer...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:08 PM
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85. when he says all options are on the table regarding Iran, he means nuclear force is included in that
Do you believe a U.S. or Israeli nuclear strike would be less than devastating against Iran?

BOTH candidates have extensive diplomatic measures that are contemplated in their approach to Iran and any nuclear threat that BOTH have reasoned is a real possibility that they would be challenged to defend against. I posted Obama's stance on Iran here several times. He's a hawk against any overt move or any potential threat from any nuclear weapons program Iran might develop to attack or threaten Israel. He has said that no option is off the table in that regard. Now, be honest.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:10 PM
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86. I'm still waiting...which country did he say, out loud, that he would obliterate...
...don't parse things here, I know the Clinton's are your pick and they are EXPERTS at that, but if you could just go ahead and answer the question as asked that would be great!

Thanks!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:20 PM
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87. you're the one who wants to pretend that he's not including nuclear strikes as an option
. . . against Iran. That's parsing to the extreme. What part of 'all options are on the table' do I need to explain?


Obama before AIPAC: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3371763,00.html


“The world must work to stop Iran's uranium enrichment program and prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It is far too dangerous to have nuclear weapons in the hands of a radical theocracy,” he said.

Even though all options were on the table, Obama said the utmost efforts should be devoted to “sustained and aggressive diplomacy combined with tough sanctions”.

Obama stressed the importance of preventing Iran’s nuclear armament, which could lead weapons of mass destruction into the hands of terrorists, inevitably causing other Middle East nations to join the race for nuclear weapons. “


and, this:


Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said that he would work to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of the Iranians but that he would "take no options off the table when it comes to preventing them from using nuclear weapons or obtaining nuclear weapons, and that would include any threats directed at Israel or any of our allies in the region."

Iran need understand, he said, "that an attack on Israel is an attack on our strongest ally in the region, ...one whose security we consider paramount, and ...that would be an act of aggression that...I would consider an attack that is unacceptable, and the United States would take appropriate action."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/clintons-umbrel.html
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:24 PM
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88. The question was, "which country has Obama threatened with total destruction?"
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 02:25 PM by truebrit71
...I'm still waiting for my answer..
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:13 PM
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99. whichever country he has't ruled out the use of nuclear weapons against
that's as much as Clinton did in her statement. You want to pretend like there isn't the same amount of diplomatic room between that statement and her actual plan of action for a potential Iranian threat. BOTH candidates would 'obliterate Iran if they followed through on their threat to employ nuclear weapons to deal with a potential conflict in Iran.

In fact, Obama goes pretty far in that statement to say that he's considering the PREEMPTIVE use of those weapons (albeit as a last resort as Hillary has stated in her plan) to prevent Iran from aquiring those weapons. BOTH advocate the use of such weapons as a last resort, but BOTH leave their use as an option with Iraq.

The answer is Iran, whether you want to admit it or not. Leaving nuclear weapons as an option for dealing with some future threat from Iran is threatening their destruction or their 'obliteration'. It's just dishonest to pretend otherwise.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:41 PM
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70. I can only wonder what repug tactics she'll pull out in the next week. eom
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:31 PM
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122. which one did she pull this week??--in your humble opine??
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:41 PM
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71. "Experience"???? "Character"??? ROTFLMAO!!!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:44 PM
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74. easily amused
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:49 PM
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77. Easily duped.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:56 PM
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79. 'uneducated'
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:58 PM
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80. Hillary's "base"... along with racists.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:58 PM
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82. inspiring
'hope and unity'
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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:49 PM
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76. Not this N.C. voter.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:59 PM
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83. no, not you . . .
the folks in the article
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:07 PM
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89. Thanks for the lovely events roundup....
:toast:

I know she was in Jacksonville, NC today, I look forward to that report ! Home of the 2dMarDiv !
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:12 PM
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90. Thank you, BigTree!!
Love the way that they used her own signs to spell out her name. I only wish that we would have thought of that in PA. LOL!!
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:24 PM
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92. Love these threads of yours, bigtree...great pics!
:toast:
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:35 PM
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95. Apologies in advance for the onslaught of negativity you are about to receive
for this positive piece, bigtree....I just read all of the responses, and thankfully the positive posts outnumber the piece of shit posts
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:46 PM
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96. Actually, I disbelieve some of the rhetoric in the OP, and here's why
The guy who said “The day I retired from the military, I became a third-class citizen,” one man told her during a question-and-answer session. “I just wanted to thank you for what you’re doing for the veterans.” I think this is bogus.

I retired from the military in 1988 and have never felt like a third class citizen. People in the community respect me, especially when they find out I'm a veteran - and I don't wear it on my sleeve. My retirement pay is equal to or better than that of many of the local school teachers as well as some of the other career opportunities in my area. My medical care is good, and affordable - more so than many of the citizens in this area.

I think that a person with experience on the Veteran Affairs Subcommittee may have a better oversight than one on the Armed Forces Subcommittee, especially one whose 35 years experience includes being married to a man who "loves his country but has come to loathe the military."
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:35 PM
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103. Bill Clinton wrote that as a young man in a much different context than the right-wing spun it as
. . . just like you're spinning it here. He was speaking of his opposition to the Vietnam war at the time. He actually went to work, instead, for two strong anti-war legislators, McGovern and Fulbright.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:41 PM
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108. And what better place for one who loathes the military to work,
don't you think?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:44 PM
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109. have fun with your little right-wing smear
I happened to like and admire the letter he wrote to the recruiting board. I also appreciated his stewardship of our military forces during his term.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:08 PM
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114. As an example of stewardship, the Navy went from nearly
reaching Reagan's 600 ship goal to slightly more than half that, with a similar reduction in the other forces as well. Military strength was never regained during the years from 1992 to the present. As a result, we see the forces spread paper thin, involuntary extensions and stop-loss are the norm, supplies are inadequate, and so on.

Stewardship? I think not. Refer back to the loathing phrase. It isn't spin. It is policy, and if, perish the thought HRC prevails, this policy is likely to continue.

But it was a well written letter, right before he sailed off for another year in England.
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #114
147. ONE US Military person killed from "Hostile Fire" during the ENTIRE 8 years of Bill Clinton
and should there be another President Clinton, I look for that streak to continue.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:57 AM
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162. 17 US sailors were killed aboard the USS Cole on October 12, 2000 while Bubba was President.
To straighten out that shit, right now!!
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #147
163. OK, I'll try this again also. End of Regan term, military was big.
During Clinton term, military got small, stayed small.

During Bush term, military stayed small, but got spread real thin. Involuntary extensions. Stop-loss. Big, unnecessary war.

Hostile fire rebuttal. USS Cole, embassies, killed military members. Probably nothing to do with size of military, but bombing stuff is sorta hostile, don't you think?
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:02 PM
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104. Nice post, Bigtree!
:kick:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:26 PM
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105. The "Goddess of Peace" sucking up to the MIC.
Support our Pentagon??
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #105
107. just like her rival in this race
"
We must use this moment both to rebuild our military and to prepare it for the missions of the future. We must retain the capacity to swiftly defeat any conventional threat to our country and our vital interests. But we must also become better prepared to put boots on the ground in order to take on foes that fight asymmetrical and highly adaptive campaigns on a global scale.

We should expand our ground forces by adding 65,000 soldiers to the army and 27,000 marines. Bolstering these forces is about more than meeting quotas. We must recruit the very best and invest in their capacity to succeed. That means providing our servicemen and servicewomen with first-rate equipment, armor, incentives, and training -- including in foreign languages and other critical skills. Each major defense program should be reevaluated in light of current needs, gaps in the field, and likely future threat scenarios. Our military will have to rebuild some capabilities and transform others. At the same time, we need to commit sufficient funding to enable the National Guard to regain a state of readiness.

Enhancing our military will not be enough. As commander in chief, I would also use our armed forces wisely. When we send our men and women into harm's way, I will clearly define the mission, seek out the advice of our military commanders, objectively evaluate intelligence, and ensure that our troops have the resources and the support they need. I will not hesitate to use force, unilaterally if necessary, to protect the American people or our vital interests whenever we are attacked or imminently threatened.


-- Barack Obama in 2007: http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070701faessay86401/barack-obama/renewing-american-leadership.html
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #107
115. What do you say, Bigtree
200-300 connectors in that crowd?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #107
142. So? I'm not all that fond of any politician sucking up to the MIC.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:40 AM
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157. I know
but, every criticism of a candidate here is going to be measured against the rival candidate's position. That's what we do.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:47 PM
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111. bigtree
she connects with EVERY single human being on this planet. She just does!
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:14 PM
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117. BigTree = HILLARY CAMPAIGN OP. Get a clue people...pure PROPAGANDA.
As a resident of North Carolina, I can firmly state that the vast majority of those that I know are supporting Obama, not Hillselfish. Obama bumperstickers out number Hillary stickers at least 3-4:1.

J
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #117
126. oh grow up. Read the OP and look at the photos. And stop insulting Bigtree. you are so immature.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #126
141. I would fully expect a Hillary Campaign OP to come to the rescue of another.
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 12:48 AM by NoodleyAppendage
No big surprise to hear from you.

J
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:40 AM
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145. Even the MATURE Obama supports say thank you to Bigtree--you are not one of them
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #117
128. As a resident of NC, I have seen more freakin' Ron Paul signs than Obama signs...
and more Hillary signs than either one. Early voting in our area did not even have an Obama sign at the voting place. :rofl: Cannot say it is a racist thing either as this part of NC is 67% African American.

Your microcosmic view of NC is certainly different than mine.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #128
140. I saw the Ron Paul signs too, but not anymore. Obama definitely predominates along 15-501 corridor.
J
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #117
155. get a grip
This is the election season. When did it become a fault to campaign? EVERYTHING in politics is propaganda, especially in a presidential contest.

But, there are folks in NC who believe in Hillary Clinton's good character and favor her experience on the issues and concerns they care about.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:25 PM
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119. This OP looks like it was copied in toto from the
Fayetteville Observer, with pieces written by April Johnson, John Ramsey, and/or Don Worthington. If true, don't you think it would be nice to simply snip a few lines, maybe 3 or 4 paragraphs, and provide a link to the remainder?

http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=292368

Isn't that in the rules someplace? But don't the rules apply to HRC and myrmidons?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:54 PM
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129. Next time read the OP and you will not look so FOOLISH!! Bigtree has
that paper with that article referenced in the OP.

Or maybe you just have a reading comprehension problem??
you tried to make him look foolish--but you turned out to be
the school-yard bully.
Shame on you.



........

Fayetteville Observer, with pieces written by April Johnson, John Ramsey, and/or Don Worthington. If true, don't you think it would be nice to simply snip a few lines, maybe 3 or 4 paragraphs, and provide a link to the remainder?

http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=292368

Isn't that in the rules someplace? But don't the rules apply to HRC and myrmidons?

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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #129
144. Nice try rdancer. SHAME ON YOU too. LIAR. (I stole that from
you, by the way, even the caps.)

Please note that there is no visible link back to the original article. The link at the bottom is the the HRC site. There is an hyperlink embedded in the name of the paper in the first part of the article, but reading comprehension does not necessarily include detective work looking for a link. And does using two question marks at the end of an interrogative statement make it a more forceful question?

It appears by my reading and posting rule 5 below that reading comprehension skills are lacking elsewhere - I understand rule 5, but obviously you and b.t. don't.



5. Copyrights: Do not copy-and-paste entire articles onto this discussion forum. When referencing copyrighted work, post a short excerpt (not exceeding 4 paragraphs) with a link back to the original.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:42 AM
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146. that link in the OP took me directly to the article.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:25 AM
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154. OK, I'll try again
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 09:28 AM by usnret88
Please note that there is no visible link back to the original article. The link at the bottom is to the HRC site.

In the first line where the name of the town is listed there is a link to the article embedded. Many people will not click on names of places looking for a link. Note that I said there is no visible link to the article. NO VISIBLE LINK, rdancer. The link that looks like a url at the bottom of the page goes to the HRC site.

Edited to include a question. Are these distractions an attempt to mask admitting that the entire article was posted rather than merely a short portion? Isn't this typical of misremembering sniper fire, or what the definition of "is" is, etc?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #154
156. the articles start where there is an embedded link. That's not so hard to figure out.
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 09:34 AM by bigtree
what's the problem with that? Many posts here in this discussion forum aren't titled. If you want that purity you need to visit LBN.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #154
159. then i say 'many people" are lazy!! --the visible link shows up in Blue--stop crying.


link is here ---stop crying.
........Helen Currin sat on the bleachers in Methodist University’s gymnasium in Fayetteville, North Carolina, nearly 10 rows back, and looked out on the crowd below..........

your note to me:
........In the first line where the name of the town is listed there is a link to the article embedded. Many people will not click on names of places looking for a link. Note that I said there is no visible link to the article. NO VISIBLE LINK, rdancer. The link that looks like a url at the bottom of the page goes to the HRC site.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:56 PM
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130. BTW--it is a GREAT headline: Supporters believe in Clinton




Published on Friday, April 25, 2008

Supporters believe in Clinton

By April Johnston
Staff writer
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:20 AM
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153. It's a series of paragraphs from articles that have the links embedded
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 09:22 AM by bigtree
where the article starts. It's to give the post a sense of continuity.

It's a technique that I think is appropriate for this discussion forum as articles are presented with embedded links all the time. The only difference is the lack of a heading at the beginning of each article . . . and the general illusion that it's one complete piece.

I would encourage you and everyone else to follow the links and support these authors, many at relatively small local outlets.

(The photos are from the daily AP feed off of Yahoo)
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:26 PM
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121. She can connect to them with a needle and a syringe..she still ain't gonna win NC..its a done deal
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:03 PM
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131. Go back to your sewer with your needle and syringe. Hillary does not use
them nor does she need them. and grow up while you are there if that is possible.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:11 PM
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132. I can't agree with that subject line.
I know quite a few people from NC and they are good, genuine people who do care about others and who aren't pathological liars.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:10 PM
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136. neither is Hillary. You live in a bubble and drink too much kool-aid. open your mind for once.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:16 PM
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133. Cult
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:05 PM
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134. Thanks. She is at her best when she is with the crowd.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:25 PM
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137. I will be proud to vote for her here in NC.
:hug:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:42 PM
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139. Another NC Dem here,
voting for Hillary Clinton too. My aunt already voted for her absentee ballot too.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:13 AM
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152. Thank goodnees I have family there that cancels out your vote..hallelujah
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:23 PM
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166. :-)
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:41 PM
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138. I love the Clintons.
Great Post! :thumbsup: :kick: and Recommended.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:53 AM
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143. Excellent post!
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