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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:16 PM
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Dems' Suspense may be Unecessary
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 01:18 PM by woolldog
The torrent of speculation about the end game of the Democratic nomination contest is creating a false sense of suspense.

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Notwithstanding the plentiful commentary to the effect that the Pennsylvania primary must have shaken superdelegates planning to support Barack Obama, causing them to rethink their position, key Democrats on Capitol Hill are unbudged. “I don’t think anyone’s shaken,” a leading House Democrat told me. The critical mass of Democratic congressmen that has been prepared to endorse Obama when the timing seemed right remains prepared to do so. Their reasons, ones they have held for months, have not changed – and by their very nature are unlikely to.

Essentially, they are three:

(a) Hillary Rodham Clinton is such a polarizing figure that everyone who ever considered voting Republican in November, and even many who never did, will go to the polls to vote against her, thus jeopardizing Democrats down the ticket – i.e., themselves, or, for party leaders, the sizeable majorities they hope to gain in the House and the Senate in November.

(b) To take the nomination away from Obama when he is leading in the elected delegate count would deeply alienate the black base of the Democratic Party, and, in the words of one leading Democrat, “The superdelegates are not going to switch their votes and jeopardize the future of the Democratic Party for generations.” Such a move, he said, would also disillusion the new, mostly young, voters who have entered into politics for the first time because of Obama, and lose the votes of independents who could make the critical difference in November.

(c) Because the black vote can make the decisive difference in numerous congressional districts, discarding Obama could cost the Democrats numerous seats.

One Democratic leader told me, “If we overrule the elected delegates there would be mayhem.” Hillary Rodham Clinton’s claim that she has, or will have, won the popular vote does not impress them – both because of her dubious math and because, as another key Democrat says firmly, “The rules are that it’s the delegates, period.” (These views are closely aligned with Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s statement earlier this year that the superdelegates should not overrule the votes of the elected delegates.)

Furthermore, the congressional Democratic leaders don’t draw the same conclusion from Pennsylvania and also earlier contests that many observers think they do: that Obama’s candidacy is fatally flawed because he has as yet been largely unable to win the votes of working class whites. They point out something that has been largely overlooked in all the talk – the Ohio and Pennsylvania primaries were closed primaries, and, one key congressional Democrat says, “Yes, he doesn’t do really well with a big part of the Democratic base, but she doesn’t do well with independents, who will be critical to success in November.”

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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9862.html
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:18 PM
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1. HIllary is now running against Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean.
Good luck with that.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:28 PM
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2. No I think she is running against the dem party...she wants to split
it, kick it in the teeth, and burn it..
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:34 PM
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4. I don't think she's enough of a populist to even think about the party.
She's running against those she sees as power brokers against her, i.e., who uphold the rules and who do care about the party.

If the house burns down in the process, it'll be someone else's fault and someone else's problem. :shrug:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:30 PM
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3. "... prepared to endorse Obama when the timing seemed right remains prepared to do so"
Earth to SD's, either the time is right now or we lose to McCain in the GE as a result of your cowardice which allows Clinton another 2 months of using Republican smears against our nominee.

Time to get a backbone.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:34 PM
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5. They don't want to appear to be subverting democracy.
so they're waiting for Obama to have a big night and actually win something (like PA, or TX...or now, both IN & NC). Then they move over to him en masse.
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DazedandConfused Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:35 PM
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6. Hillary stands to do better in both PA & OH.....maybe even FLA
She's the best candidate if you like winning.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:36 PM
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8. Except, of course, THAT SHE IS LOSING.
hahahahahahahaha
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:38 PM
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9. According to current polling- all you're going on
hilly does worse in states Obama would win- MI, WN, MN, IN, CO and others. They are both electable via different routes. I prefer to win with the man who will almost certainly be the nominee.
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DazedandConfused Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:01 PM
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14. If he doesnt win either FLA or OH he will not win the election.
Do you really think he stands a chance in either FLA or OH?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:22 PM
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16. first of all that's simply more hillbot bullshit
he can indeed win with neither of those states. Secondly, I don't think he can win FL but do think he can win 0hio. Now try and educate yourself about how he could win without FL or Ohio.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:46 PM
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10. too bad she's lost the nomination...
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DazedandConfused Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:02 PM
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15. you're correct....it is too bad
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 02:04 PM by DazedandConfused
of course she hasnt lost yet....unless of course Obama has 2025 Delegates...does he?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:35 PM
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7. I'm SO glad not nearly as many people are as delusional as the M$M
would like everyone to be.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:46 PM
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11. K/R
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:49 PM
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12. Thanks for posting a bit of sanity
:hi:
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:50 PM
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13. K&R. eom
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 01:53 AM
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17. kick
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