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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:17 PM
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"Unity" ticket? You bet!
This is my weekly newspaper column, published today. Also available online at:
http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2008/04/25/opinion/columns/rich_lewis/doc4811edc6da97b648228914.txt

by the way, my paper is a small, local paper (16K circ) in heavily Republican southcentral PA.
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‘Dream ticket’ coming, trust me
By Rich Lewis, Sentinel Columnist, April 25, 2008


Pennsylvanians must love drama, because they did exactly what they needed to do on Tuesday to keep the Democratic primary balanced on a razor’s edge of uncertainty.
Right down to the decimal points.
Most observers declared that Hillary Clinton needed a “double-digit” victory to stay in the race.
Did she get it? Well, that’s the beauty of the numbers — you can say “yes” or “no” to suit your taste.
The Associated Press shows Clinton with 1,260,060 votes or 54.7 percent of the total. Obama got 1,045,148 votes or 45.3 percent.
The Clinton camp rounds 54.7 up to 55, and 45.3 down to 45.
Voila! A 10-point, double-digit victory.
But hold on, says the Obama camp. The difference is 9.4 percent, a “single-digit” that rounds down to 9.
Voila! No double-digit victory.
Honestly, this quarrel is actually raging on news outlets and Internet discussion boards. For example, National Public Radio posted this item on its Web site yesterday afternoon:
“It’s a little thing, a single percentage point, but when such a big deal has been made about a double-digit victory for Sen. Hillary Clinton, it has some significance. For most of the morning, the media... have been referring to Clinton’s 10-point victory in Pennsylvania, citing a 55 percent to 45 percent vote total. But that’s actually not correct.”
Which drew an avalanche of comments including:

• “There is a lot of difference between the number 9 and the number 10.”

• “”The method (used to get 55-45) is perfectly valid.”

• “Pretty ridiculous to spend all this time arguing over how to round numbers....”

Yes, yes and emphatically yes.
But round and round we go and onward to Indiana.
Obama continues to be the “winner” who cannot claim victory and Clinton, like the Glenn Close character in “Fatal Attraction,” keeps popping up from the bathtub alive after everyone assumes she’s dead.
Which is why I am now convinced that Obama will be the nominee and Clinton will be his running mate.
Just about everyone has dismissed this as impossible. They say that Clinton won’t settle for the second spot; that Obama’s supporters would never stand for it; that she has attacked Obama too much to become his partner.
Baloney, baloney and emphatically baloney.
It doesn’t matter what Obama or Clinton “want” — the leaders of the Democratic party will force the deal, because they recognize the dangers of the present impasse and the potential power of a “unity ticket.” They do not want this dragged to the convention.
And exit polls are very clear: A scary percentage of both Clinton and Obama supporters say they will vote for John McCain or not vote at all if their favorite is not the nominee. Putting Clinton on the ticket will almost certainly pacify her supporters, especially those who feel strongly that it’s time for a woman to crack the political glass ceiling.
Clinton will accept, because a good shot at becoming the first female vice-president in history beats the daylights out of being a senator from New York.
The Obama supporters will scream for a few days and then calm down. What else are they going to do? Not vote for Obama?
So the only serious question is whether Clinton can credibly campaign alongside Obama after she has spent months attacking his readiness for office, electability and patriotism.
Please. This is politics, where the bitterest of enemies on Monday are best buddies on Tuesday if it serves their interests. It happens all the time. The 2000 Republican primary between George Bush and John McCain was one of the filthiest ever. Bush won the South Carolina primary after his supporters claimed that McCain was a homosexual and had an illegitimate black child (quite a pair of accusations), and McCain condemned Bush as being just like Bill Clinton.
But now the most famous picture of McCain is the one where he is bear-hugging Bush and leaning his head on the president’s chest.
The speech that Clinton will use to bury her attacks on Obama is already written and sitting in a desk drawer:
“For six months, I fought as hard as I know how to find a weakness in Senator Obama. I tested him at every level, raised every challenge that he will face in November and in the Oval Office. And he passed every test, met every challenge. I said, ‘Senator, show me.” And he did. And now I am convinced and you should be convinced that he is ready to lead this country back to greatness blah blah blah....”
Piece of cake.
He, on the other hand, has been scrupulously polite to Clinton and could give her that hug without backtracking at all.
And the fact is the two lock together politically like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.
There are no significant differences in their positions on the big three issues of the day — the economy, the war in Iraq and the need for change in Washington.
The only difference is that each appeals to a different constituency based on race, sex, style, experience and other intangibles. Conflicting policy positions are hard to reconcile — but personal characteristics are not. Each would legitimize the other.
So that’s my prediction — Obama/Clinton.
It’s not a certainty — but I’d say the chances are... well... in the double digits.

Rich Lewis’ e-mail address is: rlcolumn@comcast.net.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:25 PM
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1. Nope. That ticket is DOA.
Neither adds anything to the other, except their negatives.

Hillary is toxic to the hard right who would turn out in droves to squash any ticket she's on, making her a liability to Obama. She is also toxic to the hard left, who want nothing to do with a DLC candidate.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:26 PM
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3. Exactly.
Thanks for putting it so succinctly.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:28 PM
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5. What he said.
Ditto, likewise, etc.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:08 PM
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21. you said "their" negatives but only listed hers...
what "negatives" might Obama have that Clinton could ease?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:35 PM
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27. Ya know,
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 03:36 PM by NCevilDUer
I got nothing.

EDIT:

I try to be generous, and balance them, but it just doesn't work.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:23 PM
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28. he's not a woman...
so if anybody thinks that counts (a some do)....
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:26 PM
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2. Clinton has probably told supporters to say they won't vote for Obama...
...in a last ditch effort to get on the ticket ~ FORGET IT!

Obama will lose credibility if he brings Clinton on board with her gutter politics baggage.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:27 PM
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4. Hell No. Away with the Clintons...Not wanted. Get Gone Hilly and Billy
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 02:28 PM by ScarletSniper
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:31 PM
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9. Barack and Hillary need each other to win
You might not like it, but's true.


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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:32 PM
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11. I don't buy it and I don't believe it. Hillary as VP=death squad cometh..
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 02:32 PM by ScarletSniper
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:28 PM
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6. I think as a conciliatory gesture he will offer her the spot and she will turn him down
If she can't get top billing, she'll stay in the Senate.

That's my scenario.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:31 PM
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10. Hillary would not have him killed
It's too obvious. Anything happens to him, she's the first one people look at.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:33 PM
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12. Ha like that would stop the likes of the Clintons!
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:04 PM
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19. The Clintons have him killed
then they put the blame on racism, or a 'racist' gunman.

they would of course be believed.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:14 PM
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22. It says something about how much damage Hilary has done to her reputation that people now
think she's capable of murder.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:26 PM
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25. She's pretty scary

I wouldn't put anything past her.

her face and demeanor has psycho written all over it.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:43 PM
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30. my goodness...
and people say a "unity ticket" is an example of crazy thinking....
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:30 PM
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7. Well, I don't want to get into a debate about what voters wanted..

but there should be no argument about how the math works.

The method of rounding up / rounding down and then subtracting is compounding rounding errors. The only correct solution is to subtract first and then round (if you must round). That preserves the accuracy of the original numbers.

It would be equally unfair to have these two numbers

Hillary 54.3 Obama 45.7 and round first... Hillary 54, Obama 46 and round it to an 8 point margin when the real margin is 8.6 which rounds to 9.

In computer terms, especially when dealing with programming languages like C, Fortran, and Cobol, you kept floating point numbers in float format for all math operations and only converted them (or formatted them) into integers for printing purposes. As a former CS Instructor at the University level... I would typically mark as wrong anyone that did what you suggest the Hillary supporters are doing to get their "double digit margin".
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:34 PM
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13. Clinton proving, once again, bad at math. EOM
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:35 PM
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14. No fucking way. But I love the Fatal Attraction reference
Hillary IS Glenn Close in the bathtub!! BWAHHAAHHHHAAAA!!!

:rofl: :rofl:
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:58 PM
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17. thanks! but if it happened....
you wouldn't vote for Obama?

I was also thinking of Carrie clawing her way out of the grave at the end of that movie -- but that was just a dream sequence. As might be my column -- but that's what columns are for sometimes.
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zam Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:36 PM
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15. People who follow politics casually will love it. So it might happen.
Hillary's huge ego won't allow it though. Or I'm terribly wrong.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:56 PM
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16. Hillary's ego will tell her the vp spot is better than nothing
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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:03 PM
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18. Not going to happen
nt
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:08 PM
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20. Now more then ever, the DLC must be removed once and for all
Do you see what these fucking lowlifes are doing?

Openly calling for OBLITERATION of Iran. Praising FAUX Noise and Rush Limbaugh, while attempting to silence progressive voices like Randi Rhodes and Keith Olbermann. Knowing GODDAMN WELL they cannot win the nomination, but refusing to concede because they ARE DELIBERATELY attempting to damage the nominee of the Democratic Party, a candidate who basically told them to fuck themselves (though in much politer terms, I'm sure) when they attempted to attach their names to his in previous years.

They are no longer even PRETENDING to be Democrats. That's how desperate they are.

Barack Obama does not need Hillary Clinton. The Democratic party does not need the DLC.

It's time to cut this cancer out and not look back.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:22 PM
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24. Absolutely. DLC is the eventual death of liberal philosophy.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:21 PM
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23. That idea was tossed out with the kitchen sink. Next.... n/t
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 03:25 PM by JTFrog
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:32 PM
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26. Baloney, baloney and emphatically baloney.
The chances may be in the double digits, but only if you include negative numbers.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:05 PM
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29. hey, you plagiarized....
calling my lawyer.
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