Hillary evokes the same emotion in me as Bush. Disgust.

[Avalux]

I can't even stand to see her or hear her on the TV lest I start shouting obscenities at it, just like I do when Bush appears. I wasn't that way at the beginning of this race; if anything I was indifferent to her; because I did have some respect for her and loyalty to the Democratic party.

That has now changed.

Hillary's actions over the past couple of months have proven she isn't much different than Bush; rules be damned and narcissism to the hilt. She also shares another similarity with him I was thinking about last night - NEPOTISM. Bush became president not through his accomplishments but because of who he was -his name. Hillary is cut from the same cloth - nothing she's done independent of Bill has been noteworthy enough to warrant her status in politics. She is where she is because of the Clinton name.

This country needs to take out the garbage - the Bushes and the Clintons - before we can even begin to heal and rebuild.

[LSparkle]

1. It's even worse than with Bush -- this is a person in OUR FAMILY ...

and she and her campaign have turned against us, preferring
to throw in with the very people (Fixed Noize, Limpballs,
Scaife) who have demonized us for years. I feel truly
BETRAYED by her campaign.

[Avalux]

10. Yes, betrayal.

I used to tell myself - "I don't like her, but at least she's a Democrat so I'll be able to tolerate her and vote for her if it comes to that". Now I don't know what the hell she's doing.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. sparosnare, you must be one of those evil, progressive, activitist peoples who

(DAMN YOU) tries to organize voters to (DAMN YOU) register and vote (DAMN YOU) even though you risk ignoring (DAMN YOU) the inevitable candidate!

[Avalux]

3. And you must be one too because you know it so well.

If it weren't for people like us - her f*ing husband would never have become president.

[C_U_L8R]

4. Hillary lies to our faces.

At least the Chimpy tries to disguise his lies in his moron cowboy act.
Hillary proudly lies right to our faces. I can't stand her.

[Az_lefty]

5. Hillary has become the crazy aunt you want to lock in the attic...

[ScarletSniper]

9. or the basement. Either would suffice.

[truebrit71]

6. Agreed. I find myself reacting the same way whenever I see that face on the box...

...With * I expect to be lied to, but with Hillary I expected better...what a fool I was...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. A reaction shared by most people able discern bullshit from ice-cream.

[TahitiNut]

14. (lol!) There're quite a few on DU these days who seem to get their "ice cream" in fenced pastures.

:rofl:

[Stop Cornyn]

8. Only 55% of Americans can't stand Hillary and 70% feel that way about Bush. She's closing on him but

she still has another quarter of the population to alienate.

[Avalux]

12. Love your username. When are we going to get rid of that man?

Him and Miss Thing. :hi:

[Stop Cornyn]

The demographics are changing in Texas. It will be purple soon, and blue eventually. We have a good

candidate to run against Cornyn: Rick Noriega. Dallas turned blue already and Houston is bluing. Austin and South Texas have always been blue. Is this Rick Noriega's year? I hope so!

[Avalux]

17. I hope so too - he's a good guy.

Made a donation recently. :hi:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

11. and i have about as much faith in Obama's 'Hope & Change" as Bush's "Compassionate Conservatism"

[Avalux]

13. So you condone bold-faced lies and character assassination of fellow Democrats from Hillary.

You should be proud of yourself.

[lapfog_1]

15. Her inappropriate laugh

like when KO asked about the VRWC and Scaife the other day... I can't stand that forced fake laugh...

I have to switch the channel right away.

[liberaldem4ever]

16. I agree with you 100% K&R

I mute her voice every time she is on TV. Ugh. It's like nails on chalkboard to me now. And that cackle. :puke:

[NJSecularist]

18. Typical netroots.

Hillary evokes the same emotions in them as Bush. Yet Reverend Wright is the messiah for telling us that the chickens came home to roost on 9/11/01.

[Avalux]

19. Typical netroots? LOL. Where are you anyway?

:rofl:

[NJSecularist]

20. This is the common netroots meme.

The netroots overwhelming favors Obama. They are the loud minority. They honestly think that Hillary Clinton is as bad as George W Bush.

[Avalux]

21. You are underestimating Hillary's ability to turn people off.

If you want to tell yourself it's only the netroots who feel this way, go right ahead. Her negative ratings are through the roof - my elderly parents and a lot of other people I know are not part of the net root; not even actively involved in politics. They know a liar when they see and hear one.

[wileedog]

32. She has the highest negatives of anyone running

and 60% of the country say they don't trust her. That's not netroots, that's everybody.

No she is not as bad as Bush, but she hasn't had 7 years to get there yet either.

[AX10]

40. If the netroots think that they can win this fall without...

the support of moderates such as myself, they best think again.

[madrchsod]

39. the chickens did come home to roost on 9-11

we do`t need a messiah to tell us the truth about our policies in the middle east. we armed them, we betrayed them,and they repayed us.

[zam]

22. A large part of the disgust can be explained by the psychology of supporting a candidate.

If you passionately support someone, anyone who says anything negative about that person automatically fills you with a certain amount of disgust. You can compare it with the mother who doesn't want to hear anything bad about their children, even if they broke the neighbor's window.

Then again, some part of the disgust may be justified. That can only be determined by an independent outsider.

As an independent outsider (I am from Holland) I can say that Clinton's campaign has been much more vile and less honest than Obama's campaign. The explanation for that lies in the fact that Clinton, as a woman, must take much harsher stances than a man to be taken seriously. Of course you could argue whether or not that justifies talking about "obliterating" entire countries, but the fact remains that in my opinion this tone is the only way she has any chance of winning the election or making sure she leaves the race with her head held high.

I predict that she will lose North Carolina and Indiana and afterward will bow out of the race. And she will lose because of the simple fact that she has never closed a gap in these primaries, and that is what she needs to do to win.

[Avalux]

23. I understand the psychology component -

but it doesn't explain why I feel the way I do about Bush. He was Governor of my state and proved himself to be a fake then; I always saw through his sham. Hillary's campaign operates the same way his did.

Your statement about a woman needing to be harsher to be taken seriously; I disagree. I am a successful woman and have never had to resort to such tactics to get ahead. I've done it on my merit.

Thanks for your take on the race - good to hear an independent voice. :hi:

[zam]

29. Running for the first female president of the USA is a little bit different from any other job.

And I think a lot of women DO feel that they have to be tougher than tough to get a certain job. Maybe the feeling they have is unjustified. Maybe if Clinton would have run a hopeful, nice campaign, she would have won. Who knows ? But I think not.

[Evergreen Emerald]

24. You say that Clinton's campaign has been more negative

I wonder what your source? If it is the media, then you are sorely misinformed. Actually, it is Obama's campaign that has been the most negative. Unfortunately, the media is covering for him as he and his surrogates attack relentlessly, even using shouts of "Racism!" to win.

It is a shame that someone from a distance cannot see the reality of what is going on.


Regarding the thread: get a f"in life. You want disgust? Look at this board for awhile. It is so filled with hate and lies and ugliness. Perhaps you need to step away and get some perspective.

[zam]

31. My source is indeed the media; internet mostly and some CNN.

What else could it be ? I am not going to fly to the USA to attend rallies.

And the distortion in vision which occurs in Obama supporters is clearly also evident in Clinton supporters.

Please take a step back once in a while and try to see things from someone elses perspective.

You shouldn't confuse the Obama campaign with his supporters on this website. His campaign has never complained about racism. Or maybe you could provide me a link ?

[madfloridian]

25. No..I disagree. It is pure dislike of her.

We had no candidate at first this time. We learned to dislike her to the point of turning off the TV.

The day she demanded the FL delegates, we turned away.

[1776Forever]

26. She should take her reputation & leave now before it is completely trashed!

:kick:

I know exactly what you are saying!!!

[cyndensco]

44. I think it is too late

Her reputation is already completely trashed.

[Avalux]

45. yes it is.

I am not sure what Bill will have left to salvage after all of this. Hillary's presidency was supposed to erase any ugliness from his presidency; not gonna happen.

[polichick]

27. I now mute GW, Dick, Hill & Bill anytime they show up on TV...

Surely this great country can come up with more worthy representatives.

[bowens43]

28. Me too,everytime I hear that cackling I become physically ill.

[Bake]

34. Really? Because BO's big goofy ears and talking down to me

Pretty much does the same thing for me.

And frankly, it's getting to the point where Obama's cultish supporters evoke that same response in me.

Glad to see your candidate is such a uniter ... such a healer.

Bake

[nichomachus]

30. I don't feel disgust

It's more sadness. I seriously thought that she would be the nominee by this point. I respect her intelligence greatly. I think she has worked really hard on a lot of things.

But I think her campaign has been dismal. Coming out of the gate, she made a series of fatal blunders, which you wouldn't expect from someone with her background and experience. I find that amazing. The biggest was to have no real program for beyond Super Tuesday -- or so it appears.

She and her advisers also totally misread Obama's appeal to voters and, from what I see here and elsewhere, still do. They don't know what they're fighting against, so they flail, and that flailing makes things worse. They tell themselves all sorts of loopy things about who is supporting Obama and why -- and then they go out and say and do things that drive more people into the Obama camp.

Her advisers seem to have given her spectacularly dismal advice. One example, among many, is the forced laugh -- some call it a cackle -- which she uses to deflect tough questions. That's the only time she uses it and the laugh is obviously forced, which is why it has a hard edge to it. I get the impression that someone told her to use laughter to deflect a tough question. That can work -- but only in very limited circumstances. You have to be very careful about using it, and you have to pull it off. She doesn't do it very well/ She has overused it, and not only has it lost its effectiveness, it's become a point of ridicule. Bad advice.

And you have to look at the people who have endorsed Obama. I don't base my vote based on someone's endorsement, but some of the brightest and best have planted their flag in the Obama camp. These are the very people I would have hoped to see in a Clinton administration. That concerns me.

[Writer]

33. Wow. Now that is hate. n/t

[Avalux]

35. I didn't say I hated her. That is your interpretation. n/t

[Writer]

36. You are certainly being hateful.

You're saying that you shout obscenities at her when she appears on the TV, you called her a narcissist, you said that you "can't even stand to see her or hear her..."

[madrchsod]

37. going after dean and the dnc with her surrgate army

is the last straw for me.

i loathe her policies but never her personally but these latest actions makes me loathe her personally.


i can feel sorry for someone who could have had it all but not her..

[Avalux]

42. MoveOn too - millions of people who helped her husband, and who she praised recently.

It's as if she doesn't understand how important the grassroots are - or just doesn't care.

[RiverStone]

38. Not as bad as Shrub from here, but far worse then I ever could have imagined.

Never thought I'd get an immediate wave of anger every time I hear her - but she now joins the ranks of Lieberman and Zell Miller on the anger-o-meter.

It gets a high reading every time I hear her - I'm so sick of her rethuglican tactics.

[tokenlib]

41. Just because yesterday she threw on her "southern" accent as ...

..easily as throwing on a new scarf. just because it was almost theatrical the way she was drawling...

[cbayer]

43. Sound squirrely to me.

[Unbowed]

46. Same here. She's just plain NASTY.

It's the smugness and the meanness. I can't stand to look at her anymore.

It no longer just the fact that she will throw anyone under the bus, but that she seems so joyful in doing so.

UGH. Just UGH.

[Generator]

47. Yep and she lists "first lady" as her political experience

reading the voter's pamphlet. Of course she's already had eight years in the white house. I have always had a problem with the basic fairness of her candidacy. She was literally in the White House, having imput of policy. Not a problem then-and now-many of us mainly loved Bill Clinton and the elephant in the room-that hasn't been mentioned because WE-Democrats don't mind-but will be it mentioned by the other side if she gets the nom that:

Bill Clinton gets ANOTHER four or eight years in the White House. It's just a fact. Are you telling me that he will have no impact? That he won't be a co-president? Well that's actually not so bad for us.

BUT it's defeating the meaning of the amendment that allows only eight years in that office. Bush Jr. did it in a way-but he was actually in many ways different than Daddy-much worse-and Daddy wasn't sleeping in the White House all these years, much less whispering to him what to do.

And here's the kicker-what the hell if-McCain is president or some other horrible Republicon "wins" his eight years and he has an ambitious, wife that wants her eight years? Can you imagine 16 years of the McCains in the White House? Is this America? Is this the precedent we want?

Is this the great myth-anyone can grow up to be president-oh hardee har har-as long as you marry one or are related to one. It's just wrong.